palumbo's deca and anavar cycles???

[theworm]

Ok, he has not printed this twice in MD:

deca 300-600 x 6-8 weeks

anavar 20-40 mg x 6-8 weeks

so if everyone is against a no test cycle, why would one of the better steroid gurus recommend these cycles, twice, in a national magazine?  what is soo bad about the deca?  if used proper PCT, shut down can  be minimized...  so why is it really THAT BAD to use these cycles?    I know about deca dick, etc, but can someone exlpain why everyone hates these cycles??

[Emmortal]

Deca will suprsess the HPTA.  No natural test will be produced while on this cycle.  Testosterone is considered the Keystone hormone on a male body, it regulates SOOOO many things that why in gods name would you not want to have it?  It's fucking simple and I'm tired of sounding like a broken record, but that's just the simple facts of it.

Palumbo may be many things, a steroid guru I would not consider him.

[candidizzle]

palumbo has said alot of stupid misinformed ignorant thigns in regards to steroids.  undoubtedly he has lots of experience with the stuff, to be sure, but as for his advice...i wouldnt folllow it.

he seems like a kool kat otherwise tho

[theworm]

ok, you suppress test, but you are adding a very anabolic compound and mild adrogenic compound.

many eastern eropeans use only deca. 

i bet you cn gain a good 15 on this, if diet is on, and you will not get sides such as acne/hair loss, etc...  so if the cycle is kept to 6-8 weeks and add proper PCT, how is this SOOO wrong???

[DieHards]

ok, you suppress test, but you are adding a very anabolic compound and mild adrogenic compound.

many eastern eropeans use only deca. 

i bet you cn gain a good 15 on this, if diet is on, and you will not get sides such as acne/hair loss, etc...  so if the cycle is kept to 6-8 weeks and add proper PCT, how is this SOOO wrong???

i have used a few deca only or deca/dbol cycles before and i dont hate deca only cycles.  i was fortunate enough not to suffer from deca dick or other unfortunate problems many encounter from not using test.  in matter of fact i have had great gains from it but not the gains i should have and better kept from what i hear when using test.

but looking back i wish i would have done more research and use test as my base.  using test now in my cycles i feel better,  the gains are better and not as slow.  like emmortal said you function better when u have test in ur system and i have noticed it too. 

i am not as highly informed as others by fa r .  but if u insits on use deca only or stack with anavar i would recommend to run the deca for atleas 10-12wks.   8 wks in my opinion is to short to reap the benefits of deca.

in the end use test.

[Stavios]

Palumbo is supposed to be an expert on dieting and steroids

but why do I hate his cycles so much ?
deca and anavar WTF ?

 

[QuakerOats]

everything begins and ends with Test, everything else is just extra, Anavar has to be taken at at least 80mg. otherwise don't bother.

[4thAD]

I don't like his advice at all. If he is following his own advice thats probably why he looks so toxic. Ive received better advice right here from our resident bro's.

[theworm]

yeah, from what i learned on here, seems like he should have recommended a test, anavar, and propecia cycle! 


agree?

better gains, less sides, less expensive

[4thAD]

Worm why is it your so afraid of test? Just curious bro, because test can be a great thing.

[Rimbaud]

Worm why is it your so afraid of test? Just curious bro, because test can be a great thing.

Agreed.

[elite_lifter]

Worm is constantly second guessing things. Just an observation.

[theworm]

there is no seconding quessing anything...


i am simply asking about palumbo's recommendations, and simply asking why everyone hates the deca var cycle...thats all!!


if i hate test so much, why am i on it right now?

[4thAD]

there is no seconding quessing anything...


i am simply asking about palumbo's recommendations, and simply asking why everyone hates the deca var cycle...thats all!!


if i hate test so much, why am i on it right now?

Not a slam Worm, just a question. Actually I would rather see someone a little too careful than someone just willing to slam anything. Your smart to ask the questions and do the research. Just it seems your a little overly concerned of the effects of test.

[Disgusted]

Vic Richards hated test, he told me so. Two of Sergio's friends told me he used deca, dbol, anavar and winstrol in the 70's. He only started using test in the 80's, also used tren then too. I see nothing wrong with taking 250 mg of test a week on a anabolic cycle, but there is nothing wrong with not using test. BTW, a friend of mine never suffered from deca dick and he never did pct ever.

[4thAD]

Vic Richards hated test, he told me so. Two of Sergio's friends told me he used deca, dbol, anavar and winstrol in the 70's. He only started using test in the 80's, also used tren then too. I see nothing wrong with taking 250 mg of test a week on a anabolic cycle, but there is nothing wrong with not using test. BTW, a friend of mine never suffered from deca dick and he never did pct ever.

Some will get away with it all day long, however most will not. I just feel so much better with test in my cycles. I am definitely a fan of low dose cycles because I have personally gained nicely off of them. I also like a higher dose once in a while. Im running 800mg test right now along with deca and dbol, and feel great. 200mg prop and 600 enanthate. Nice too be back on, and growing good.

[Disgusted]

Some will get away with it all day long, however most will not. I just feel so much better with test in my cycles. I am definitely a fan of low dose cycles because I have personally gained nicely off of them. I also like a higher dose once in a while. Im running 800mg test right now along with deca and dbol, and feel great. 200mg prop and 600 enanthate. Nice too be back on, and growing good.

Dennis Newman also hated test but loved winny. 800mg of test is not really all that low.

[4thAD]

Dennis Newman also hated test but loved winny. 800mg of test is not really all that low.

I understand its not low at all. I said in my post above I like to kick it up a little sometimes. I was clean for a while and Started out with 100mg ew and gained nicely off of that. I train intense, and heavy even when off so making gains always come. I force the gains.

[dustin]

His dietary advice is bang on. And his knowledge about drugs is phenomenal. But put it all together and he doesn't seem to know how to construct proper cycles. He mixes eccentric, sometimes pretty damn exotic compounds and strange, unnecessary dosage schemes.

I'm honestly starting to think that this douchebaggery is deliberate. Why would the pros want to let Joe Blow in on their secrets? You think all the top guys are REALLY going to tell us what the pros are doing? No. That's why we have self proclaimed Gods of Hormones on forums like this lol

I love gh15 though. While some people say he's a troll, I think that his recommendations are fucking spot on. I'd follow his advice over Dave's any day... well, dietary advice is kosher. But steroid advice? Yeah right. He went from a normal looking dude, almost looking like a young John Travolta to a beastly mess. His face is messed up and his body too. I think Dave's a little off his rocker, plus he's not giving us the full scoop on things. Don't follow his steroid advice.

[DIVISION]

Ok, he has not printed this twice in MD:

deca 300-600 x 6-8 weeks

anavar 20-40 mg x 6-8 weeks

so if everyone is against a no test cycle, why would one of the better steroid gurus recommend these cycles, twice, in a national magazine?  what is soo bad about the deca?  if used proper PCT, shut down can  be minimized...  so why is it really THAT BAD to use these cycles?    I know about deca dick, etc, but can someone exlpain why everyone hates these cycles??

Not to re-open an old discussion, but is Dave Palumbo that guy you want to be depending on for AAS advice?

Remember now, there is an old thread here dedicated to his poor physique entitled "Palumboism".

Kovacs suffers from the same condition.

Granted there are going to be a few lucky bastards who can run Deca sans Test without any suppression, but most people I know would never survive a Deca/Anavar cycle unless they were abstinent or single.

Even if you were to run Deca without Test, why choose a weak anabolic like Anavar?

Winstrol would be the ideal choice there.

I'm getting tired of these Palumbo threads.....

Just because the guy has a column in MD doesn't mean you should take everything he says as gospel.

This is the same guy who got popped for selling fake GH kits.

Smart guy, huh?   


DIV

[Stavios]

If I would do a no-test cycle, it would probably be something like Winny and Primo, and the dosage pretty high on the primo.

I may try this the next time I diet to see if it gives you a cleaner, non watery look.

off-season right now, I am only using test propionate in pretty high dose (started GH too)

off-season I think there is no need for too much compounds

[dustin]

If I would do a no-test cycle, it would probably be something like Winny and Primo, and the dosage pretty high on the primo.

I may try this the next time I diet to see if it gives you a cleaner, non watery look.

off-season right now, I am only using test propionate in pretty high dose (started GH too)

off-season I think there is no need for too much compounds

If I ever went without test I would also run primo. Winny fucks up collagen synthesis too much for my liking. I'd have to be taking something like GH and tons of cissus quandrangularis to attempt anything like that.

[phenom]

It all depends on your goals. If you want to look like a fitness model winny, tren or both. If you want that 70's rounded muscle look dbol and deca with a high cal diet. If you want to look like the pinnacle of bodybuilding exp Dorian Yates then deca, test cyp, anadrol, dbol, hgh  and a perfect diet using just the right amount of carbs to always stay anabolic and full. Not speculating on doses just what I've heard time and time again from the people that have been there.

[chixlegs]

I have done cycles without test.  I read this stuff all the time on this board but I did Deca and DBol on one cycle and another I did Eq and Dbol and both cycles were fucking awesome.  I had zero problems.  Great gains.  I was young though, early 20's so maybe that's why.  I don't cycle anymore.   

[MuscleMcMannus]

These stupid urban legends about deca are idiotic and nonscientific.  ALL steroids shut you down to some extent.  Deca is one of the most popular steroids in the world.  Has been for decades.  I've used it no problems and am on it now without test.  My sex drive is up.  My dreams are up etc.  Will it shut you down like any other steroid?  Yes.  So will test.  But I get hardly any sides with deca and the quality is on par with test, albeit slower muscle gains.