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Re: I'm a lifelong conservative activist and I'm backing Barack Obama
« Reply #25 on: July 29, 2008, 03:53:28 PM »
  :)


I don't disagree but just as a matter of clarification that's a quote from Larry Hunter

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Re: I'm a lifelong conservative activist and I'm backing Barack Obama
« Reply #26 on: July 29, 2008, 04:01:20 PM »
McCain is far more experienced and runs a much longer track record to review than that of Barack "The Mouth" Obama. 
Well, we can agree to disagree, as I prefer "good judgment" over "experience" and longevity in Washington.  ;)

As for "The Mouth"...you don't like eloquence or leaders that can deliver an inspiring speech?
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Re: I'm a lifelong conservative activist and I'm backing Barack Obama
« Reply #27 on: July 29, 2008, 04:38:32 PM »
Republicans are not Conservatives.

The same can be said when analyzing Democrats and Liberals.

With the backing of Obama, Mr. Hunter immediately stops being a conservative activist.  There is nothing conservative about Obama at all.  The man is a globalist and a self-proclaimed "Citizen of the World."  No thanks.

I wish folks wouldn't vote on the basis of the "lesser of the two evils" but rather vote for the candidate who has their interests in mind.  Both McCain's and Obama's policies will only weaken the middle class and devalue the US as a whole.

But the US voters get what they deserve.

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Re: I'm a lifelong conservative activist and I'm backing Barack Obama
« Reply #28 on: July 29, 2008, 04:49:07 PM »
The US voters deserve better choices

I'm pretty sure  most will vote on a single issue or just because they either like one guy or don't like the other guy based on nothing much more than who they want to have a beer with or maybe in Obama's case, play a game of basketball with.

Practically speaking, there's probably no point in listening to or believing what the candidate says anyway.

I seem to recall our current president saying some of the following:

I'm a uniter not a divider

I'm a compassionate conservate

I'll be president for all people, not just the ones who voted for me

No nation building

and my personal favorite: " I will restore honor and integrity to the White House"  ::)

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Re: I'm a lifelong conservative activist and I'm backing Barack Obama
« Reply #29 on: July 29, 2008, 06:17:38 PM »
The US voters deserve better choices

I'm pretty sure  most will vote on a single issue or just because they either like one guy or don't like the other guy based on nothing much more than who they want to have a beer with or maybe in Obama's case, play a game of basketball with.
idiot  ::)
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Re: I'm a lifelong conservative activist and I'm backing Barack Obama
« Reply #30 on: July 29, 2008, 06:19:54 PM »
wtf - you don't even know me.

my statement was based on what I see in the media,  like the guy who wrote the story in the first post of this thread, and I qualified it by saying "I'm sure there are some"



True I don't know you. 

I based my opinion on the part where you said "I can't even think of one former "lib" who backs McCain (though I'm sure there are some - not counting his buddy Lieberman)"

I often come across the board sounding like an azzhole, if that was one of those times let me know...my regrets.
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Re: I'm a lifelong conservative activist and I'm backing Barack Obama
« Reply #31 on: July 29, 2008, 06:24:14 PM »
Well, we can agree to disagree, as I prefer "good judgment" over "experience" and longevity in Washington.  ;)

As for "The Mouth"...you don't like eloquence or leaders that can deliver an inspiring speech?

I prefer substance over eloquence. 

I don't think Obama has made many wise choices based off what I know and who his friends/business partners are/were. 

Longevity in Washington usually works against most politicians I would agree with that except that McCain has proven he can work with both sides of the aisle and often was at odds with Republicans. 
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Re: I'm a lifelong conservative activist and I'm backing Barack Obama
« Reply #32 on: July 29, 2008, 06:36:28 PM »
I prefer substance over eloquence. 
Great, because Obama provides both.  ;)

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I don't think Obama has made many wise choices based off what I know and who his friends/business partners are/were. 
He's a United States senator. I think he's mad a few "wise choices".  ::) You think a couple of casual friendships are more important than the decision to send American troops into a war that has cost 4,000+ lives and 20,000+ injured? If so, you are not very bright.

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Longevity in Washington usually works against most politicians I would agree with that except that McCain has proven he can work with both sides of the aisle and often was at odds with Republicans. 
"Was" is the operative word in this statement. The John McCain of 2000 would not vote for the John McCain of 2008. The man has flipped on every major issue. In addition, he has lost his maverick status by pandering to the far right of the republican party and kissing the butt cheeks of Dubya for the last six years.  :-*
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Re: I'm a lifelong conservative activist and I'm backing Barack Obama
« Reply #33 on: July 29, 2008, 08:17:57 PM »
True I don't know you. 

I based my opinion on the part where you said "I can't even think of one former "lib" who backs McCain (though I'm sure there are some - not counting his buddy Lieberman)"

I often come across the board sounding like an azzhole, if that was one of those times let me know...my regrets.

no worries

btw - I still can't think of one former high profile lib (much less many) who support McCain

this strange phenomena seems to be isolated amoung high profile (or formerly high profile) repubs


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Re: I'm a lifelong conservative activist and I'm backing Barack Obama
« Reply #34 on: July 30, 2008, 01:11:03 AM »
Ha,ha...I love this thread!  ;D
This is simply incorrect. Obama is against gay marriage, so you can certainly be left of him on this issue.
 
You mean an old war hero who ran a lackluster campaign and lost a lopsided election? Hmmm...

Incorrect?  Obama believes the Bible endorses homosexual marriage.  This is nothing more than an attempt to pander.

Obama: Sermon on Mount OKs Same-Sex Unions

Monday, March 3, 2008 8:04 AM

By: Terence P. Jeffrey 

Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) told a crowd at Hocking College in Nelsonville, Ohio, Sunday that he believes the Sermon on the Mount justifies his support for legal recognition of same-sex unions. He also told the crowd that his position in favor of legalized abortion does not make him "less Christian."

"I don't think it [a same-sex union] should be called marriage, but I think that it is a legal right that they should have that is recognized by the state," said Obama. "If people find that controversial then I would just refer them to the Sermon on the Mount, which I think is, in my mind, for my faith, more central than an obscure passage in Romans." (See video here) St. Paul's Epistle to the Romans condemns homosexual acts as unnatural and sinful.

Obama's mention of the Sermon on the Mount in justifying legal recognition of same-sex unions may have been a reference to the Golden Rule: "Do to others what you would have them do to you." Or it may have been a reference to another famous line: "Do not judge, or you too will be judged."

The Sermon, recorded in the Gospel of Matthew, includes the Lord's Prayer, the Beatitudes, an endorsement of scriptural moral commandments ("anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven"), and condemnations of murder, divorce and adultery. It also includes a warning: "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves."

The passage from St. Paul's Epistle to the Romans, which Obama dismissed as "obscure," discusses people who knew God but turned against him.

"They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised," wrote St. Paul. "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."

On the topic of abortion, Obama said his support for keeping it legal does not trespass on his Christian faith.

"I think that the bottom line is that in the end, I think women, in consultation with their pastors, and their doctors, and their family, are in a better position to make these decisions than some bureaucrat in Washington. That's my view," Obama said about abortion. "Again, I respect people who may disagree, but I certainly don't think it makes me less Christian. Okay."

Obama opened his town-hall-type meeting at the college with a short speech and then provided lengthy answers to a handful of questions. One questioner, Leon Forte, a Protestant clergyman, asked Obama about evangelical Christians who were concerned about his position on issues that conservatives consider "litmus tests."

"Your campaign sets a quandary for most evangelical Christians because I believe that they believe in the social agenda that you have, but they have a problem in what the conservatives have laid out as the moral litmus tests as to who is worthy and who is not," said Forte. "So, I will ask you to speak to those two questions."(See transcript)

Obama volunteered that he believed Forte was talking about abortion and homosexual marriage, and then he gave answers on both issues that were not as explicit as positions he has staked out on these issues in other venues. Last Thursday, for example, as reported by Cybercast News Service, Obama published on his Web site an "open letter concerning LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender) equality in America."

In that letter, Obama said he favored same-sex unions that were equal to marriage--including adoption rights--and that he was open to states codifying same-sex marriages.

"As your President, I will use the bully pulpit to urge states to treat same-sex couples with full equality in their family and adoption laws," Obama said in the letter. "I personally believe that civil unions represent the best way to secure that equal treatment. But I also believe that the federal government should not stand in the way of states that want to decide on their own how best to pursue equality for gay and lesbian couples--whether that means a domestic partnership, a civil union, or a civil marriage."

In Ohio on Sunday, before mentioning the Sermon on the Mount, Obama insisted he was against "gay marriage" and did not mention his support for allowing same-sex couples to adopt children and have the same "family" status as heterosexual couples.

"I will tell you that I don't believe in gay marriage, but I do think that people who are gay and lesbian should be treated with dignity and respect and that the state should not discriminate against them," said Obama on Sunday. "So, I believe in civil unions that allow a same-sex couple to visit each other in a hospital or transfer property to each other. I don't think it should be called marriage, but I think that it is a legal right that they should have that is recognized by the state. If people find that controversial then I would just refer them to the Sermon on the Mount, which I think is, in my mind, for my faith, more central than an obscure passage in Romans. That's my view."

Obama also has been more aggressive in framing his pro-abortion position previously than he was on Sunday. When he was in the Illinois Senate, for example, he repeatedly opposed a bill that would have defined as a "person" a baby who had survived an induced-labor abortion and was born alive.

In a 2001 Illinois Senate floor speech about that bill, he argued that to call a baby who survived an abortion a "person" would give it equal protection rights under the 14th Amendment and would give credibility to the argument that the same child inside its mother's womb was also a "person" and thus could not be aborted.

When the Illinois Senate bill was amended to make it identical to a federal law that included language to protect Roe v. Wade--and that the U.S. Senate voted unanimously to pass--Obama still opposed the bill, voting it down in the Illinois Senate committee he chaired.

Yet, in Ohio on Sunday, Obama depicted abortion as a tragedy to be avoided, while being kept legal.

"On the issue of abortion, that is always a tragic and painful issue," he said. "I think it is always tragic, and we should prevent it as much as possible .... But I think that the bottom line is that in the end, I think women, in consultation with their pastors, and their doctors, and their family, are in a better position to make these decisions than some bureaucrat in Washington. That's my view. Again, I respect people who may disagree, but I certainly don't think it makes me less Christian. Okay."

Before discussing his views on same-sex unions and abortion, Obama told the crowd he was a "devout Christian."

"In terms of my faith, there has been so much confusion that has been deliberately perpetrated through emails and so forth, so here are the simple facts," he said. "I am a Christian. I am a devout Christian. I have been a member of the same church for 20 years, pray to Jesus every night, and try to go to church as much as I can when they are not working me. Used to go quite often.

"These days, we haven't been at the home church--I haven't been home on Sunday--for several months now. So, my faith is important to me. It is not something that I try to push on other people. But it is something that helps to guide my life and my values."
 
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/Obama_same_sex/2008/03/03/77289.html

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Re: I'm a lifelong conservative activist and I'm backing Barack Obama
« Reply #35 on: July 30, 2008, 01:22:06 AM »
Incorrect?  Obama believes the Bible endorses homosexual marriage.  This is nothing more than an attempt to pander.
ALL politicians "pander". That's the nature of the job.


This is all that matters to me from what you posted, and the point I was making. I know where Obama stands on this issue.
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I don't think it [a same-sex union] should be called marriage...
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Re: I'm a lifelong conservative activist and I'm backing Barack Obama
« Reply #36 on: July 30, 2008, 01:26:51 AM »
ALL politicians "pander". That's the nature of the job.


This is all that matters to me from what you posted, and the point I was making. I know where Obama stands on this issue. ;)

Politicians lie too, but that doesn't make it right. 

I know where Obama stands on homosexual marriage:  on both sides of the issue. 

"As your President, I will use the bully pulpit to urge states to treat same-sex couples with full equality in their family and adoption laws," Obama said in the letter. "I personally believe that civil unions represent the best way to secure that equal treatment. But I also believe that the federal government should not stand in the way of states that want to decide on their own how best to pursue equality for gay and lesbian couples--whether that means a domestic partnership, a civil union, or a civil marriage."

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Re: I'm a lifelong conservative activist and I'm backing Barack Obama
« Reply #37 on: July 30, 2008, 01:48:47 AM »
Politicians lie too, but that doesn't make it right. 
Lying and appealing to an interest group are two different things.

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I know where Obama stands on homosexual marriage:  on both sides of the issue.
 
Wrong. There's only one side, and it is this:
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Re: I'm a lifelong conservative activist and I'm backing Barack Obama
« Reply #38 on: July 30, 2008, 01:59:04 AM »
Lying and appealing to an interest group are two different things.
 
Wrong. There's only one side, and it is this: ;)

Semantics.  A lie is a lie. 

Yes, Obama opposes homosexual marriage, unless the states want to legislate homosexual marriage (which hasn't happened), in which case he supports homosexual marriage.  Pure doublespeak.

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« Reply #39 on: July 30, 2008, 02:39:32 AM »
Semantics.  A lie is a lie. 
"To appeal" and "to lie" are a question of semantics? I suggest you purchase a dictionary and enroll in a remedial english course quickly. I wonder how you made it to adulthood without accidentally killing yourself.   :-\

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Yes, Obama opposes homosexual marriage, unless the states want to legislate homosexual marriage (which hasn't happened), in which case he supports homosexual marriage.  Pure doublespeak.
You're reaching. There is a little thing called states rights that you repubes usually believe in. In any event, I leave you with this:
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Re: I'm a lifelong conservative activist and I'm backing Barack Obama
« Reply #40 on: July 30, 2008, 03:00:28 PM »
I for one think Obama is a total disaster as both a human being and presidential candidate. However, I agree with Benny on this one. He said what McCain will most likely say, and what any center left, central right or far left candidate would say. Hes for civil unions, but wouldn't stand in the way of states adopting legislation for gay marriage... and regardless, he will fight to make sure gay couples recieve the same kinds of rights as straight ones do. Thats called covering all your bases AKA pandering. 

However, I will say this. If Obama was truly against gay marriage he would support the federal governments right to suspend the full faith and credit clause of the constitution to restrict the recognition of gay marriages to the state that granted them, OR encourage states to jump on the DOMA bandwaggon and effectively only permit in state residents to be able to have gay marriages.

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Re: I'm a lifelong conservative activist and I'm backing Barack Obama
« Reply #41 on: July 30, 2008, 09:38:26 PM »
Hes for civil unions, but wouldn't stand in the way of states adopting legislation for gay marriage... and regardless, he will fight to make sure gay couples recieve the same kinds of rights as straight ones do. Thats called covering all your bases AKA pandering. 

You mean like what McCain did when he said he was all for gay marriage,
...then immediately turned around and said he was against it? then denied that too?

He frequently speaks out of both sides of his mouth, ...but this time he did on the same show in a span of 11 mins.
I guess the old guy forgot where he was and what he had just said barely 11 minutes previously.

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Re: I'm a lifelong conservative activist and I'm backing Barack Obama
« Reply #42 on: July 31, 2008, 05:56:31 AM »
Hey douchebag, I agreed with you. Re-read my last post.