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« on: August 04, 2008, 11:45:38 AM »

Senator Barack Obama has fulfilled the promise of his earlier climate plan with a detailed and comprehensive "New Energy for America" plan.

This is easily the best energy plan ever put forward by a nominee of either party. By comparison, the plan of John "Nothing but Nukes" McCain is a joke, with nothing on energy efficiency and a pointless $300 million battery prize and long-standing opposition to renewable energy. In contrast, Obama's plan has real depth and breath:


* Increase Fuel Economy Standards: Obama will increase fuel economy standards 4 percent per each year while protecting the financial future of domestic automakers....

* Invest in Developing Advanced Vehicles and Put 1 Million Plugin Electric Vehicles on the Road by 2015: As a U.S. senator, Barack Obama has led efforts to jumpstart federal investment in advanced vehicles, including combined plug‐in hybrid/flexible fuel vehicles, which can get over 150 miles per gallon of gas... [more details below]

* Partner with Domestic Automakers: Obama will also provide $4 billion retooling tax credits and
      loan guarantees for domestic auto plants and parts manufacturers, so that the new fuel‐efficient
      cars can be built in the U.S. by American workers rather than overseas.

* Mandate All New Vehicles are Flexible Fuel Vehicles

* Develop the Next Generation of Sustainable Biofuels and Infrastructure

* Establish a National Low Carbon Fuel Standard: ... The standard requires fuels suppliers in 2010 to begin to reduce the carbon of their fuel by 5 percent within 5 years and 10 percent within 10 years.


This is the only way to jumpstart an end to our addiction to oil in a climate friendly way. Indeed, an accelerated transition to plug-in hybrids and electric cars -- a core climate solution-- must be the cornerstone of any serious effort to dramatically reduce oil consumption and greenhouse gas emissions. That is the crucial litmus test for any presidential candidate's energy independence or clean transportation policy.

As for the test of a candidate's grasp of electricity policy, energy efficiency is obviously The only cheap power left and a limitless resource and THE core climate solution. Obama understands energy efficiency in a way few other major politicians do, as his plan makes clear:



* Deploy the Cheapest, Cleanest, Fastest Energy Source--Energy Efficiency: Barack Obama will set an aggressive energy efficiency goal--to reduce electricity demand 15 percent from DOE's projected levels by 2020. Implementing this program will save consumers a total of $130 billion, reduce carbon dioxide emissions by more than 5 billion tons through 2030, and create jobs. A portion of this goal would be met by setting annual demand reduction targets that utilities would need to meet.

* Set National Building Efficiency Goals: Obama will establish a goal of making all new buildings carbon neutral, or produce zero emissions, by 2030. He'll also establish a national goal of improving new building efficiency by 50 percent and existing building efficiency by 25 percent over the next decade to help us meet the 2030 goal.

* Overhaul Federal Efficiency Standards: The current Department of Energy has missed 34 deadlines for setting updated appliance efficiency standards....

* Reduce Federal Energy Consumption: ... He will make the federal government a leader in the green building market, achieving a 40 percent increase in efficiency in all new federal buildings within five years and ensuring that all new federal buildings are zero‐emissions by 2025. He will invest in cost‐effective retrofits to achieve a 25 percent increase in efficiency of existing federal buildings within 5 years.

* Invest in a Smart Grid: ... Obama will pursue a major investment in our national utility grid using smart metering, distributed storage and other advanced technologies to accommodate 21st century energy requirements: greatly improved electric grid reliability and security, a tremendous increase in renewable generation and greater customer choice and energy affordability.

* Weatherize One Million Homes Annually....

* Build More Livable and Sustainable Communities....

* Flip Incentives to Energy Utilities: An Obama administration will "flip" incentives to utility companies by: requiring states to conduct proceedings to implement incentive changes; and offering them targeted technical assistance. These measures will benefit utilities for improving energy efficiency, rather than just from supporting higher energy consumption. This "regulatory equity" starts with the decoupling of profits from increased energy usage, which will incentivize utilities to partner with consumers and the federal and state governments to reduce monthly energy bills for families and businesses. The federal government under an Obama administration will play an important and positive role in flipping the profit model for the utility sector so that shareholder profit is based on reliability and performance as opposed to total production.


Finally, a presidential nominee that really gets it (see "Energy efficiency, Part 4: How does California do it so consistently and cost-effectively?").

The proposal has lots of other details on short-term solutions and promoting the supply of domestic energy. But let me focus on his low-carbon electricity supply plan:


* Require 10 Percent of Electricity to Come from Renewable Sources by 2012 [and 25 percent by 2025]. Barack Obama will establish a 10 percent federal Renewable Portfolio Standard (RPS) to require that 10 percent of electricity consumed in the U.S. is derived from clean, sustainable energy sources, like solar, wind and geothermal by 2012. Many states are already well on their way to achieving statewide goals and it's time for the federal government to provide leadership for the entire country to support these new industries. This national requirement will spur significant private sector investment in renewable sources of energy and create thousands of new American jobs, especially in rural areas. And Obama will also extend the federal Production Tax Credit (PTC) for 5 years to encourage the production of renewable energy.

* Develop and Deploy Clean Coal Technology....

* Safe and Secure Nuclear Energy: ... It is unlikely that we can meet our aggressive climate goals if we eliminate nuclear power as an option. However, before an expansion of nuclear power is considered, key issues must be addressed including: security of nuclear fuel and waste, waste storage, and proliferation.... As president, Obama will make safeguarding nuclear material both abroad and in the U.S. a top anti‐terrorism priority. In terms of waste storage, Obama does not believe that Yucca Mountain is a suitable site. He will lead federal efforts to look for safe, long‐term disposal solutions based on objective, scientific analysis. In the meantime, Obama will develop requirements to ensure that the waste stored at current reactor sites is contained using the most advanced dry‐cask storage technology available.


He also repeats his climate pledge and his jobs pledge:


* Implement an economy‐wide cap‐and‐trade program to reduce greenhouse gas emissions 80 percent by 2050.

* Invest In A Clean Energy Economy and Help Create 5 Million New Green Jobs. Obama will strategically invest $150 billion over 10 years...


Finally, back to the details of the plug-in hybrid proposal:

As president, Obama will continue this leadership by investing in advanced vehicle technology with a specific focus on R&D in advanced battery technology. The increased federal funding will leverage private sector funds and support our domestic automakers to bring plug‐in hybrids and other advanced vehicles to American consumers. Obama will also provide a $7,000 tax credit for the purchase of advanced technology vehicles as well as conversion tax credits. And to help create a market and show government leadership in purchasing highly efficient cars, an Obama administration will commit to:


* Within one year of becoming President, the entire White House fleet will be converted to plug‐ins as security permits; and

* Half of all cars purchased by the federal government will be plug‐in hybrids or all‐electric by 2012.



This is an aggressive, achievable, and most important of all, a necessary energy plan. Kudos to Senator Obama and his energy team. Maybe he is The One.
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« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2008, 01:01:07 PM »

Wow, he's going to pay for my home to be weatherized?

I did not know he was also going to buy me a bio-fuel car.

Build more livable sustainable communities - umm so what does this entail?

"national utility grid" meaning the government will control energy output - or what does this do - enforces

only someone such as Benny "my brain is" Blanco, could think that this is a "plan"

What about his flip flop on drilling? Too many democrats got mad at him and pulled his strigns to come out with this "plan" a set of mandates that will not get meet.
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« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2008, 01:04:15 PM »

wow even better "The federal government under an Obama administration will play an important and positive role in flipping the profit model for the utility sector so that shareholder profit is based on reliability and performance as opposed to total production."

So the incentives are to increase price to decrease your willingness to turn the AC up.

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« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2008, 01:48:03 PM »

Take 70 million barrels out of the strategic reserve.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5isOFwdbq0tsqatW6vJpkDRTI1gMgD92BIKK00
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The number one issue with America should be energy independence.
This cap doesn't provide for this.

What does this mean.
* Establish a National Low Carbon Fuel Standard: ... The standard requires fuels suppliers in 2010 to begin to reduce the carbon of their fuel by 5 percent within 5 years and 10 percent within 10 years.
How do you take carbon out of gasoline or diesel fuel or coal. How do you tell the Saudis or Venezuelanes to take the Carbon out of their processing. You can't/

He is going to royally screw your economy like Pelosi tried to do. Ban Canadian oil imit what oil does come to the US by restricting Carbon. What a bunch of tools.
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« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2008, 01:52:49 PM »

Take 70 million barrels out of the strategic reserve.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5isOFwdbq0tsqatW6vJpkDRTI1gMgD92BIKK00
HAHAHAHA

The number one issue with America should be energy independence.
This cap doesn't provide for this.

What does this mean.
* Establish a National Low Carbon Fuel Standard: ... The standard requires fuels suppliers in 2010 to begin to reduce the carbon of their fuel by 5 percent within 5 years and 10 percent within 10 years.
How do you take carbon out of gasoline or diesel fuel or coal. How do you tell the Saudis or Venezuelanes to take the Carbon out of their processing. You can't/

He is going to royally screw your economy like Pelosi tried to do. Ban Canadian oil imit what oil does come to the US by restricting Carbon. What a bunch of tools.

No wonder India and China gawked at the summits proposal to limit their carbon emmisons. It cannot be done unless you want to STOP the economy from producing, were talking decades, not a decade to get this done.

He's talking about mandates that won't get accomplished...then what is the punishment? TAXING

This guy is a socialist nut. This "plan" or actually rough outline, highlights his agenda to disperse wealth among the less affluent.
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« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2008, 01:54:45 PM »

I'll take a socialist over a fascist any day of the week
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« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2008, 01:55:47 PM »

Take 70 million barrels out of the strategic reserve.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5isOFwdbq0tsqatW6vJpkDRTI1gMgD92BIKK00
HAHAHAHA

The number one issue with America should be energy independence.
This cap doesn't provide for this.

What does this mean.
* Establish a National Low Carbon Fuel Standard: ... The standard requires fuels suppliers in 2010 to begin to reduce the carbon of their fuel by 5 percent within 5 years and 10 percent within 10 years.
How do you take carbon out of gasoline or diesel fuel or coal. How do you tell the Saudis or Venezuelanes to take the Carbon out of their processing. You can't

That phrase seemed odd to me as well, then I thought of what North American governments have been doing with Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel Fuels. They've been removing the aromatics and natural lubricants in the diesel, which has reduced the cetane numbers significantly. It's done in the refining process, where the fuel is cracked even further.
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« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2008, 02:05:38 PM »

No wonder India and China gawked at the summits proposal to limit their carbon emmisons. It cannot be done unless you want to STOP the economy from producing, were talking decades, not a decade to get this done.

He's talking about mandates that won't get accomplished...then what is the punishment? TAXING

This guy is a socialist nut. This "plan" or actually rough outline, highlights his agenda to disperse wealth among the less affluent.

Not necessarily. I mean what if someone were to demonstrate & prove they're not polluting or producing emissions,
...I'm sure they'd be EXEMPT from any such tax wouldn't they? ...especially if you're talking about a tax on polluters

Gee, ...let's see, ...what group of people are able to prove their cars, trucks, motorcycles, snowmobiles, power plants etc have reduced their own emissions by up to 75% or more? Those who sing & dance in the rain. 
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« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2008, 02:31:00 PM »

Lowering the Cetane levels of diesel or lowering the octane levels in cars does not lower the Carbon footprint of the fuel.

Removing the Aromatics and sulfur reduces the amount of NOx and SOx from a diesel engine.
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« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2008, 02:54:48 PM »

Still does not address the airline & trucking crisis which affects all businesses.
Lots of flaws IMO.  Plus, he has stated previously that he is not a big fan of nuclear unless it is clean...meaning, he's not going to expand nuclear energy...which is a big mistake.
Increasing emissions on cars is good.
We still need oil independence and to increase nuclear energy.  The majority of cars will not be battery operated by 2012.  Neither will trucks and planes.  This bullshit about less consumption is ridiculous.  You don't stiffle an economy but cutting back on driving.  Obama scares me...same idealistic vision which may not materialize.  We are not in a position to hope for the best...our congress & president must act in ways that are certain to reduce prices.
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« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2008, 03:12:00 PM »

Still does not address the airline & trucking crisis which affects all businesses.
 he's not going to expand nuclear energy...which is a big mistake.



BIG is an understatement here.  Nuclear power should be the first thing we start to do aggressively.
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« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2008, 03:14:09 PM »


BIG is an understatement here.  Nuclear power should be the first thing we start to do aggressively.

Big time. That would be great.
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« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2008, 05:29:33 PM »

I'll take a socialist over a fascist any day of the week

Oh really? Hitler and Mussolini were conservatives?  Huh

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« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2008, 05:30:08 PM »


BIG is an understatement here.  Nuclear power should be the first thing we start to do aggressively.

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« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2008, 05:52:06 PM »

Oh really? Hitler and Mussolini were conservatives?  Huh



Are you suggesting McCain and Bush are conservatives
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« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2008, 06:08:26 PM »

Are you suggesting McCain and Bush are conservatives

 Roll Eyes Learn history, Hitler had a executive national police force....the same kind of National Police force the Obama has proposed
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« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2008, 06:49:34 PM »

Roll Eyes Learn history, Hitler had a executive national police force....the same kind of National Police force the Obama has proposed

what point are you trying to make exactly

If there are any parallels with Hitler let's start with Bush (especially appropriate considering his family made their wealth in part by helping finance the Nazis rise to power)

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« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2008, 07:05:15 PM »

what point are you trying to make exactly

If there are any parallels with Hitler let's start with Bush (especially appropriate considering his family made their wealth in part by helping finance the Nazis rise to power)


Let us not forget the similarities of the false flag attacks, and the angry rhetoric full of lies that followed
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« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2008, 07:11:15 PM »

what point are you trying to make exactly

If there are any parallels with Hitler let's start with Bush (especially appropriate considering his family made their wealth in part by helping finance the Nazis rise to power)




Excellent examples. The both of you.
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« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2008, 07:27:27 PM »


BIG is an understatement here.  Nuclear power should be the first thing we start to do aggressively.
Maybe.  What do we do with the radioactive waste?  It has to be actively managed/kept for 10,000 years.

Isn't building more reactors just building more targets for Al Qaeda...hell, AQ could do much damage with just access to the waste.

Isn't the world's uranium supply only good for about 60 years worth of nuclear power?

Since nuclear power is not a renewable resource (scarce uranium) and it's waste creates more problems than it solves, why does this sound like a good alternative to you?
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« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2008, 06:33:20 AM »

Seems Obama has some good ideas for longer term strategies.  However, the timelines he sets are extremely unlikely and some of these ideas sound somewhat impractical...or at least idealistic/ambitious  There's very little in that plan for relief in the next couple yrs.

Also, if none of the other economic powerhouse countries cut emissions 7 greenhouse gasses then we are handicapping ourselfes even more than we do not (by our relatively higher corporate taxes, which will go up even higher under Obama).
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« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2008, 07:34:17 AM »

More pie in the sky empty promises...what exactly wrong with nuclear power. I grow up 6 miles from one....they should be everywhere. If ur worried about protecting them, enlarge the DOE security police. Obama can't hope to pay for any of this...and he's going to mandate Detroit. Our automotive industry is already being strangled by Unions, and this idiot wants to lay more red tape on them. Good job socialist.
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« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2008, 07:41:06 AM »

More pie in the sky empty promises...what exactly wrong with nuclear power. I grow up 6 miles from one....they should be everywhere. If ur worried about protecting them, enlarge the DOE security police. Obama can't hope to pay for any of this...and he's going to mandate Detroit. Our automotive industry is already being strangled by Unions, and this idiot wants to lay more red tape on them. Good job socialist.
When will dogshit post McCain's energy plan?  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2008, 07:50:05 AM »

Ah McCain plan hasd been out for several weeks....hey benny whats happening to ur golden boy..not alot of good stuff huh..lost his Eurobounce....hmmmmm media sorta sick of his schtick as well hmmmm...yup.
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« Reply #24 on: August 05, 2008, 07:52:37 AM »

Ah McCain plan hasd been out for several weeks....hey benny whats happening to ur golden boy..not alot of good stuff huh..lost his Eurobounce....hmmmmm media sorta sick of his schtick as well hmmmm...yup.
When will dogshit post McCain's energy plan here?  Undecided
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