Bob Chic will petition to SEPARATE the 202s from the Open Class

[Chick]

I'd be open to debate on this with Bob,

It could be best for all concerned and possibly even "fairer" if the 202 winner (and only the 2092 winner) was allowed to compete against the bigger guys for the overall "bigger boys" trophy.

The 202 overall winner would merely have to step in the "bigger boys" lineup during the evening finals to allow the judges to do some further comparisons and then "adjust" their scores accordingly.

This would require an additional bit of time during the evening finals but it would not shut-out a better but smaller contender from collecting his due rewards when and if he deserved it.

Don't shut-out a great bodybuilder just because he doesn't tip the scale far enough!

Submitted on behalf of the smaller greats for Bob's and the IFBB's consideration.

Thanks.

The smaller BB is NOT shut out of any opportunities...he can simply compete in the open if he believes he can hang. Why someone of that calliber would WANT to compete in the 202 is the question at hand....?

[ironjoe]

I would like to see the overall posedown as the littler guys just dont get the callouts in the "open" class but I do agree the shows could now be even longer and that is not good.

[donrhummy]

Actually, they should dump the weight class idea dn do height. I think that makes much more sense as a 210 lb guy at 5'4" is never judged fairly against a 230 lb guy at 5'8". The height is what makes the comparisons more accurate instead of weight.

[Joe Roark]

The easiest solution, as I see it, is have all the competitors compete together (as if there is no weight class) and the highest placing 202 competitor is named the winner of the 202 class. The next highest 202 competitor is declared second in the 202, etc.

The winner of the 202 and the open have then, already competed against each other, and the score sheet is the source of separation for the two classes.

[spinnis]

Top three maby tyop 5 should be able to compete in the open.

[spinnis]

Bob is mad because the short guys can possible cash in twice which he couldn't.
Is Bob even a pro? :/

[ibfasport]

chicherillo is right, you have 2 categories, or don't, they have to be separate
 
one more problem is for the European bodybuilders, the best compete out of IFBB

[ja351]

I think guys with bodies like women, example: Arvilla, should be able to compete with women if the body structure in comparable.

[GoneAway]

The concept of the under-202 class is great in itself. Lee Priest, Dave Henry, Flex Lewis, Jaroslav Horvath, etc. We'll see some great, aesthetical physiques.

[Method101]

the 202 class is a fucking joke.
its an crutch for people who dont have the genetics to win a contest.

theres no under 6ft basketball legaue lol

[Method101]

The concept of the under-202 class is great in itself. Lee Priest, Dave Henry, Flex Lewis, Jaroslav Horvath, etc. We'll see some great, aesthetical physiques.

no, you just see blocky mass on somone who is 5ft.4 instead of 5ft.10

[njflex]

the 202 class is a fucking joke.
its an crutch for people who dont have the genetics to win a contest.

theres no under 6ft basketball legaue lol

ur ridiculous.

[GoneAway]

no, you just see blocky mass on somone who is 5ft.4 instead of 5ft.10

Jaroslav and Flex Lewis definately aren't blocky.

[ibfasport]

FRANCO COLUMBU WAS A GREAT UNDER 200LB CHAMPION

[bodybuilder1234]

Good idea

It gives the "under 202" more noteriety.
Keep the classes apart and the "under 202 will grow", if not seperated then it will be severly compromised and won't recieve the recoqnition it deserves.

A middle weight champion in boxing would get less respect if he had to fight and lose to the weakest heavyweights.

[musclecenter]

Quote from http://www.muscletime.com/news/latest/state-of-the-sport-of-bodybuilding/

Action to Save the Sport of Bodybuilding

Here are our humble suggestions to the top people in our industry.

(1) Please act now. Do not wait any longer! Make changes no matter how hard they might appear in the beginning. Many athletes and people within the industry will be furious at the changes. However, the fans must be considered the number one priority going forward.

(2) Do not allow distended midsections on stage any longer. Make no exceptions based on degree of celebrity. If athletes are unable to control their abdominal distention, they should never place within the top ten of any IFBB pro show regardless of their size and conditioning.

(3) Emphasize symmetry and the classical bodybuilding physique. The athlete "look" includes the ability to adequately move and present their physique.

(4) Publish clear rules for what the physiques in the sport are supposed to  look like and then have the courage to actually enforce your own rules without exception.

(5) Emphasize the fans and the fans only. Do not listen to the industry "insiders" who have guided the growth of the sport in the past. Ideas like the 202 and under class only benefit the athletes and the promoters. Fan numbers will continue to dwindle in the long run due to the increasingly excessive length of the show. Additional classes like the 202 and under class simply diminishes the quality and prestige of pro championships;  handing out more first place trophies is not going to increase the popularity of the sport.

(6) Keep the shows short. Fan numbers will continue to dwindle in the long run due to the increasingly excessive length of the show. The media and industry insiders should be required to sit through the entire events of one current contest weekend without taking a break and without working - just like we expect spectators of the shows to endure. Do you think anyone will acknowledge having a good time? They most likely will admit being bored especially if the competitors are out of shape.

(7) Hire a professional sports marketing agency. It would be worth the investment on real sports marketing professionals. Find legitimate market experts to examine how to make bodybuilding competition more entertaining. That is the ultimate goal. People want to be entertained. The major flaw of bodybuilding shows is the lack of entertainment. The entertainment should probably involve real sports action rather than WWE style entertainment. The current succession of bodybuilders trying to dance during posing routines is extremely tiresome to watch. For the most part, bodybuilders are not dancers but dedicated athletes. As such, athlete against athlete competition should prevail where the audience can identify with the drama of competition.......



 

[Stavios]

I agree with Bob 100%

[Chick]

Quote from http://www.muscletime.com/news/latest/state-of-the-sport-of-bodybuilding/

Action to Save the Sport of Bodybuilding

Here are our humble suggestions to the top people in our industry.

(1) Please act now. Do not wait any longer! Make changes no matter how hard they might appear in the beginning. Many athletes and people within the industry will be furious at the changes. However, the fans must be considered the number one priority going forward.

(2) Do not allow distended midsections on stage any longer. Make no exceptions based on degree of celebrity. If athletes are unable to control their abdominal distention, they should never place within the top ten of any IFBB pro show regardless of their size and conditioning.

(3) Emphasize symmetry and the classical bodybuilding physique. The athlete "look" includes the ability to adequately move and present their physique.

(4) Publish clear rules for what the physiques in the sport are supposed to  look like and then have the courage to actually enforce your own rules without exception.

(5) Emphasize the fans and the fans only. Do not listen to the industry "insiders" who have guided the growth of the sport in the past. Ideas like the 202 and under class only benefit the athletes and the promoters. Fan numbers will continue to dwindle in the long run due to the increasingly excessive length of the show. Additional classes like the 202 and under class simply diminishes the quality and prestige of pro championships;  handing out more first place trophies is not going to increase the popularity of the sport.

(6) Keep the shows short. Fan numbers will continue to dwindle in the long run due to the increasingly excessive length of the show. The media and industry insiders should be required to sit through the entire events of one current contest weekend without taking a break and without working - just like we expect spectators of the shows to endure. Do you think anyone will acknowledge having a good time? They most likely will admit being bored especially if the competitors are out of shape.

(7) Hire a professional sports marketing agency. It would be worth the investment on real sports marketing professionals. Find legitimate market experts to examine how to make bodybuilding competition more entertaining. That is the ultimate goal. People want to be entertained. The major flaw of bodybuilding shows is the lack of entertainment. The entertainment should probably involve real sports action rather than WWE style entertainment. The current succession of bodybuilders trying to dance during posing routines is extremely tiresome to watch. For the most part, bodybuilders are not dancers but dedicated athletes. As such, athlete against athlete competition should prevail where the audience can identify with the drama of competition.......



 

I disagree with number 5 entirely....what the 202 class does, it make it fairer for the 3 out of 4 athletes that turn pro, and are eligable for this class. It makes it fair for an athlete to compete against someone of relative weight/ size....It makes for more opportunities for a 202 champ to gain exposure, contracts, etc...while placing 15-25 doesn't.

As to the length being too long...I not only agree, but have taken many steps to try and shorten the shows, while increasing the production value.. I've said it a million times...we need more entertainment, SHOWS, not competitions....competit ions should be relegated to the prejudging, thats why we have it in the first place.

[musclecenter]

I disagree with number 5 entirely....what the 202 class does, it make it fairer for the 3 out of 4 athletes that turn pro, and are eligable for this class. It makes it fair for an athlete to compete against someone of relative weight/ size....It makes for more opportunities for a 202 champ to gain exposure, contracts, etc...while placing 15-25 doesn't.

As to the length being too long...I not only agree, but have taken many steps to try and shorten the shows, while increasing the production value.. I've said it a million times...we need more entertainment, SHOWS, not competitions....competit ions should be relegated to the prejudging, thats why we have it in the first place.

Agree

[stuntmovie]

Joe Rourk's submission (see above) appears that it would solve any and all forthcoming problems and objections. Smart submission, Joe.

Has there been any discussion on this subject matter with the pros who are affected? Any complaints? Any improvement suggestions?

Probably not!

[Oaf]

I agee with Chick. The U202 guys who are good will compete in the open (like Henry and Flex Lewis) and this will leave the U202 class with a bunch of small guys who look like shit. After a few shows of this, the U202 will be phased and out and put on the shelf beside the Master O as a good idea that didn't work. Who wants to watch a bunch of short tiny guys compete anyway???

I look forward to the Ken Jones Vs Cliffton Torres posedown!!!!

[Rich2]

I agee with Chick. The U202 guys who are good will compete in the open (like Henry and Flex Lewis) and this will leave the U202 class with a bunch of small guys who look like shit. After a few shows of this, the U202 will be phased and out and put on the shelf beside the Master O as a good idea that didn't work. Who wants to watch a bunch of short tiny guys compete anyway???

I look forward to the Ken Jones Vs Cliffton Torres posedown!!!!

I don't necessarily think that this will lose interest like the Masters O.  This is because all good bodybuilders will eventually get older and lose physique quality, but for the most part a good small BB will always look good as a small BB.  And you won't have to wait until he hits 40 to see it.  And there's just too big of a talent pool.  Besides, David Henry and Flex Lewis are freaks among freaks, and even Flex Lewis placed out of the money in the open class.  He'd be better off kickin ass in the 202. 

[lastrep]

Exactly what I DONT want....

That's a shame because it's what the fans want... it would just be the best 202 guy vs the best open guy.. besides that it would be kept seperate.

[mwbbuilder]

They best 202er and the best open WOULD compete against each other...in the open class.

Why wait for an overall posedown? If the 2022er can win in a lineup, what makes you think he would win in an oerall posedown?

[ibfasport]

only Lewis and Henry were really of high-level in the 202 class
there is need of time to make new champions in this class