More Moslem love. Torture chamber found INSIDE mosque.

[Slapper]

I'm no racist, but you gotta admit that TODAY... in TODAY'S society... in the world we live in TODAY that more innocent victims of terrorism are being killed by Muslim extremists... Not a lot of Jewish Extremists or Christian Extremists running around today.[...]

I do not know about that. I mean, upwards of 500,000 people have died in Iraq because of our invasion and occupation. I understand we did not go into Iraq for religious reasons, but the number of deaths caused by terrorism acts by Christian states far outnumber those committed by Muslim extremism. And the majority of Muslims oppose any type of terrorism by the way, whereas people here have problems even understanding the concept of hypocrisy. We can do no wrong. Once we start off with this premise anything else we do, be it kill 1, 5 or 60 million people, does not matter because we either have to kill that many people to stave off a terrorist attack or bring democracy to them.

I mean, to the rest of the world it isn't even being discussed: The US government is engaging in state terrorism and has done so for many years. It's only here that we have problems grasping that fact.
 

[Slapper]

Slapper, either you're stupid or an utterly disgusting person. I'm hoping the former is true.

Dude, you and the insults... they make you look bad.

You think islam can't be criticised mutually exclusive of Christianity, otherwise it is hypocrisy? Honestly, what a fucking HUGE logical fallacy that is.

No, it can be criticised indeed. But if you're an American, a Brit or a citizen of any country that engages in state terrorism then indoingso you would be a hypocrite. Look at your society's problems before you look at someone else's.

Like I said, this is a straw man argument.

"Straw man argument", "liberal indulgence"... you guys sound like a friggin broken record! Come up with a better line! Oh! Wait... you can't.

You bringing Christianity into the fray and saying that it has done evil in the past as a means of attacking my position on islam. This is stupid. I can agree with some assertions in that regards, but we're specifically discussing islam here, something you don't like to see and would like to censor.

Well, you do not want to bring up the Christian past because it brings up facts that precisely make your argument go down the drain. I mean, you can deny what the Christians have done in the past so that it then looks as though you're criticizing Islam from a higher moral ground, when in reality you're not. 

I thought you said you're a Roman Catholic? Are you a believer (Jesus as the saviour) or not?

I was born Roman Catholic. I told you I was born Roman Catholic because you kept insisting that I was a Muslim, not because I am a practising catholic (that is a different story). Now, as far as religious beliefs go, I've been an atheist most of my life. All religions are the same shit.

I quote you:

YOU said YOUR RELIGION (which would imply you're a Christian) "did" things to people directly / indirectly.

I'm an atheist and I'm telling you that Christianity and islam certainly haven't done the "same shit". Yes I have researched this, you know nothing about islamic ideology and history and it's critical to support some of your assertions (which are false).

Dude, when you say things like "you don't know" or "you do not have any facts" all I'm hearing is totally the opposite. You do know that right?

Honestly, what a TOOL.

You're so easy. Like shooting fish in a barrel.

[Nordic Superman]

You do not understand, you have no argument.

Your assertion is that we're not worthy of an opinion simply because of the countries we reside in UK, US have massive human rights violations (which in itself is false) is RIDICULOUS. Seriously, are you this dumb? Are you saying a child born in the US inherits the nations guilt? Nice Christian symbolism there!

The analogy with a crack head teaching its child isn't valid. I was born in England, anything it has done in its past I am NOT guilty for. My society is secular and allows an open view of the world, something a closed state like Saudi Arabia, Iran etc. do not have or value.

The human migration statistics speak volumes of which societies are preferred by human beings. Like in business, more people use Google over Yahoo search because it's a better service. Western nations provide a greater standard of living, freeness and opportunities that inferior muslim societies cannot match.

A broken record that keeps repeating the truth, oh well, you can't handle it or accept that that's the core of your debating tactic here then ... oh well...

Bringing up Christian historical atrocities (whatever they might be) has nothing to do with being critical of islamism they are mutually exclusive. This assertion is simply not true, get this point into your head.

Lets say you're right that it shows hypocrisy, the point is: DOES THAT MAKE THE MODERN ATROCITIES OF ISLAMISM ANY LESS TRUE?

No - it doesn't does it? Yet you're saying my position is invalid and not legitimate because somehow you're aligning me (a English Atheist) with the guilt of whatever England or Christianity has done in the past.

I never insisted you was muslim

So the typical liberal apologetic rhetoric comes out of the woodwork: "All religions are the same shit"

Do you HONESTLY believe they are exactly equal in their evilness?

Like I said, you clearly lack any knowledge of the history of islamism by making some of your assertions here.

[24KT]

She's ugly. Brutal lazy eye.

You know BerzerkFury, I'm usually not one to insult people based on such superficial criteria as their looks,
...however, I've seen your picture, ...and I believe that unless you're looking to be royally sodomized,
insulting someone else's appearance is the last thing you want to be engaged in. ...Just a thought. 

[24KT]

You do not understand, you have no argument.

Your assertion is that we're not worthy of an opinion simply because of the countries we reside in UK, US have massive human rights violations (which in itself is false) is RIDICULOUS. Seriously, are you this dumb? Are you saying a child born in the US inherits the nations guilt? Nice Christian symbolism there!

I don't think that's what he's saying, ...but based on many of your statements, ...it appears to be what you're saying with regards to Muslims.

The analogy with a crack head teaching its child isn't valid. I was born in England, anything it has done in its past I am NOT guilty for. My society is secular and allows an open view of the world, something a closed state like Saudi Arabia, Iran etc. do not have or value.

And why is that? Why is it that countries like Iran for instance (who used to be secular) have whole-heartedly embraced an Islamic revolution? What were the factors that brought this about? What was it they rejected that made them seek solace in the arms of Islam?

The human migration statistics speak volumes of which societies are preferred by human beings. Like in business, more people use Google over Yahoo search because it's a better service. Western nations provide a greater standard of living, freeness and opportunities that inferior muslim societies cannot match.

That is the one of the stupidest arguments you've ever brought forth on these boards, ...and you've brought many.

And why is it that many muslim societies, ...despite their tremendous wealth (oil) are unable to match certain standards so prevalent in the west? I don't know about you, but I'd bet if bombs started falling in Hawaii, it wouldn't be so hot as a vacation spot anymore.

A broken record that keeps repeating the truth, oh well, you can't handle it or accept that that's the core of your debating tactic here then ... oh well...

Bringing up Christian historical atrocities (whatever they might be) has nothing to do with being critical of islamism they are mutually exclusive. This assertion is simply not true, get this point into your head.

Lets say you're right that it shows hypocrisy, the point is: DOES THAT MAKE THE MODERN ATROCITIES OF ISLAMISM ANY LESS TRUE?

What you refer to as the 'modern attrocities of Islam' is in fact the 'modern attrocities of perverse fanatics' who do not represent Islam any more than neocon represent traditional Republican values.

Yet you're saying my position is invalid and not legitimate because somehow you're aligning me (a English Atheist) with the guilt of whatever England or Christianity has done in the past.

I think he see through your transparent agenda of inciting hatred towards Muslims.
Your insistence on making your arguments in the Political board rather than on the Religion board supports this.

I never insisted you was muslim

You've accused me and any others who've refused to dive head first into your cesspool of hate of being Muslims.

So the typical liberal apologetic rhetoric comes out of the woodwork: "All religions are the same shit"

I would think that would be the atheist argument. But again, this thread is on the wrong board.

[Slapper]

You do not understand, you have no argument.

Your assertion is that we're not worthy of an opinion simply because of the countries we reside in UK, US have massive human rights violations (which in itself is false) is RIDICULOUS. Seriously, are you this dumb? Are you saying a child born in the US inherits the nations guilt? Nice Christian symbolism there!

Misquoting me again! What I'm saying is that you are entitled to criticize anyone at any time. However, if your country is doing the exact same things you so adamantly criticize that makes you a hypocrite. Why? Because you refuse to apply the same standards to the actions of your government than the actions of a few Islamic extremists. Simple to understand I think. As far as the child analogy is concerned, no child inherits anything from his/her nation. But the nation's citizens must protest its runaway government's actions in their name, in a very similar manner as that used by Martin Luther King to bring down centuries of racial oppresion in the south of the US. Let's not forget it was not the government who ended it, it was The People.

The analogy with a crack head teaching its child isn't valid.

And the reason is....?? Another concept grabbed right out of your ass? Wait, I know! It doesn't help your argument.

I was born in England, anything it has done in its past I am NOT guilty for. My society is secular and allows an open view of the world, something a closed state like Saudi Arabia, Iran etc. do not have or value.

And you know what? I agree. I've told you before, their societies have to open up, evolve and recognize basic human rights for all. They are not the perfect society and are not striving to become one.... BUT NEITHER IS OURS!

The human migration statistics speak volumes of which societies are preferred by human beings. Like in business, more people use Google over Yahoo search because it's a better service. Western nations provide a greater standard of living, freeness and opportunities that inferior Muslim societies cannot match.

Dude! Dude! Dude! The people that go into the Western nations do so because of MONEY.

A broken record that keeps repeating the truth, oh well, you can't handle it or accept that that's the core of your debating tactic here then ... oh well...

Debating tactic?? What debating tactic?? Your tactic is to insult, state things I said that I never really said and elaborate on them, tell me that this analogy or that analogy is not valid without offering a reason why, etc. You've got no debating tactic. Hell, you're unable to see any hypocrisy in your comments. You expect to be read but have OBVIOUS difficulties reading other people's comments.

Bringing up Christian historical atrocities (whatever they might be) has nothing to do with being critical of islamism they are mutually exclusive.

They are, but when it comes to wholesale mass murder, if you're worst than I am, why in the hell would you criticise me for killing a few thousands if you've killed half a million people yourself? Do you see the absurdity of your point? I mean you're free to write what you please, criticise that which you do not understand, but understand one thing: Many people like me sit in the sidelines shaking our heads in disbelief. Do not get me wrong, just because you have some cheerleaders on the side that agree with every stupid comment of yours just because of the Jewish vs Muslim thing your point is not well taken. And it will never be well-taken.

Lets say you're right that it shows hypocrisy, the point is: DOES THAT MAKE THE MODERN ATROCITIES OF ISLAMISM ANY LESS TRUE?

No - it doesn't does it? Yet you're saying my position is invalid and not legitimate because somehow you're aligning me (a English Atheist) with the guilt of whatever England or Christianity has done in the past.

I knew it! A Brit! You guys chopped our heads when we were seeking independence from you, committing any and all atrocities in existence and you're now pointing the finger at the Muslims. You've got some balls!!!

[George Whorewell]

Slapper this thread has turned into another mind numbing attempt to make the intentionally blind see. I am american, born in America, lived in NYC my entire life. My father was an immigrint, my mother is first generation.

Your logic and way of thinking is so flawed and out of touch with reality that I am convinced arguing with you is not only beneath me, but a waste of time as well.

Your selective copy and pastes also show me that your not as stupid as you pretend to be because you deliberately chose what to respond to in order to make your inept points seem valid.

Ill let Nordic play retarded ping pong with you. I can't be bothered with this nonsense.

I mean, to the rest of the world it isn't even being discussed: The US government is engaging in state terrorism and has done so for many years. It's only here that we have problems grasping that fact.

[Slapper]

Slapper this thread has turned into another mind numbing attempt to make the intentionally blind see. I am american, born in America, lived in NYC my entire life. My father was an immigrint, my mother is first generation.

Your logic and way of thinking is so flawed and out of touch with reality that I am convinced arguing with you is not only beneath me, but a waste of time as well.

Yet you fail to point out why. How logical. What a waste of brain cells.

Your selective copy and pastes also show me that your not as stupid as you pretend to be because you deliberately chose what to respond to in order to make your inept points seem valid.

Huh? I respond to any lines you and the other "little Hitler" writes. I may have missed a line or two, but believe me paisan, it was unintentional.

Ill let Nordic play retarded ping pong with you. I can't be bothered with this nonsense.

Well, it is not "nonsense". A lot of people are dying because of pseudo-fascist thinking like you two's and it is DISGUSTING. I feel enraged when thinking that I have to share this beautiful country with "animals" like you, who feel nothing about innocent people (unless they're our innocent people) being murdered and come up with the STUPIDEST reasons in the book to justify the unjustifiable. Shame on you!

I mean, to the rest of the world it isn't even being discussed: The US government is engaging in state terrorism and has done so for many years. It's only here that we have problems grasping that fact.

If you do not believe me ask any South American, anyone from an Arab country, anyone from southeast Asia, google "American atrocities", keep ignoring my friend. That will get us very far (Massapequa in your case).

[Slapper]

All these issue these two "little Hitlers" are putting forth are indeed valid points, when isolated from American foreign policy, but these issues would have a lot more resonance and acclaim around the world if our government stopped bombing the shit out of innocent people, embargoing countries, financing terrorists in "enemy" states and accept international law.

Since we do not accept anything from anyone at anytime, anything (compromise-wise) we say afterwards is just simply OFFICIAL BULLSHIT. Foreign policy-wise: we catch it, we cook it and we eat it. The rest of the world (unless you're talking about out lap dogs the Brits and some Pacific island that will disappear from the map once the oceans rise another 3 inches) does not believe anything we say. We have no face in the international forums (unless you're talking about business forums and corrupt foreign officials). This ought to be a red flag.

[Nordic Superman]

I don't think that's what he's saying, ...but based on many of your statements, ...it appears to be what you're saying with regards to Muslims.

And why is that? Why is it that countries like Iran for instance (who used to be secular) have whole-heartedly embraced an Islamic revolution? What were the factors that brought this about? What was it they rejected that made them seek solace in the arms of Islam?

That is the one of the stupidest arguments you've ever brought forth on these boards, ...and you've brought many.

And why is it that many muslim societies, ...despite their tremendous wealth (oil) are unable to match certain standards so prevalent in the west? I don't know about you, but I'd bet if bombs started falling in Hawaii, it wouldn't be so hot as a vacation spot anymore.

What you refer to as the 'modern attrocities of Islam' is in fact the 'modern attrocities of perverse fanatics' who do not represent Islam any more than neocon represent traditional Republican values.

I think he see through your transparent agenda of inciting hatred towards Muslims.
Your insistence on making your arguments in the Political board rather than on the Religion board supports this.

You've accused me and any others who've refused to dive head first into your cesspool of hate of being Muslims.

I would think that would be the atheist argument. But again, this thread is on the wrong board.

Well you don't know a thing about islamic ideology and its methods of submitting of people. Islam was created by man in a time of barbarianism, the countries influenced by it since this time (through jihad) are still under the heavy cloak of its desire to make nations submit to its cruel ways. People when given the choice chose not to live under sharia law, but under the political climate and restrictions on critical debate within these nations islam cannot be removed from power.

It's not stupid, disprove the point. Money of course is a key reason, money is a entity with inherent values that can be traded for services or items. The increase in money makes the standard of living higher.

Arabic countries aren't like the west for numerous reasons, religion, culture, climate, geography. If you really want to own yourself, research what the Arab governments themselves do with the money. You can't accept that anything other than US foreign policy is to blame.

Modern atrocities of islam are performed within accordance of the koran - pretty simple.

You are a fool, I don't intend to direct hatred towards MUSLIMS, I intend to direct scrutiny and critical debate about the FACTS of ISLAM. Show me where I direct "hate" towards individual MUSLIMS and not the islamic ideology they subscribe to.

Berserker can chose to move this if he wants. But you're wrong, this is definitely a political issue.

Slapper, you're a tool, go and open a thread criticizing US foreign policy and I might have something critical to say. The reality here is that we're not discussing that.

They are, but when it comes to wholesale mass murder, if you're worst than I am, why in the hell would you criticise me for killing a few thousands if you've killed half a million people yourself?

This is retard and redundant.

George is right, it's not worth debating with you clowns because it gives your position credibility.

[Slapper]

The guy can't hold himself. Eurotrash gotta talk about the Muslims and how bad their religion is and how much it sucks and how big of a danger it is... That is the very same rhetoric dished out by the Nazis as soon as they got to power. God knows what they did to the Jewish communities all over Europe.

God I fucking hate fascists!!

[w8tlftr]

God I fucking hate fascists!!

Then why are you defending fascist Islam? 

All the arguments I've seen presented by Nordic have to do with the religion of Islam and how it is used today by radical durkas to terrorize and subdue those that do not subscribe to their warped point of view.

Comparing his views towards a religion to what the Nazis did to the Jews is a stretch.

[24KT]

Slapper this thread has turned into another mind numbing attempt to make the intentionally blind see. I am american, born in America, lived in NYC my entire life. My father was an immigrint, my mother is first generation.

Your logic and way of thinking is so flawed and out of touch with reality that I am convinced arguing with you is not only beneath me, but a waste of time as well.

Your selective copy and pastes also show me that your not as stupid as you pretend to be because you deliberately chose what to respond to in order to make your inept points seem valid.

Ill let Nordic play retarded ping pong with you. I can't be bothered with this nonsense.

I mean, to the rest of the world it isn't even being discussed: The US government is engaging in state terrorism and has done so for many years. It's only here that we have problems grasping that fact.

psssst: Hey George, I have it on good authority that Slapper is a cute black chick with a smoking hot bod and legs for days 

[Nordic Superman]

Then why are you defending fascist Islam? 

All the arguments I've seen presented by Nordic have to do with the religion of Islam and how it is used today by radical durkas to terrorize and subdue those that do not subscribe to their warped point of view.

Comparing his views towards a religion to what the Nazis did to the Jews is a stretch.

Well, you see it shows the weakness in his/Jags position.

I directly criticize islam, and he criticizes MY criticism by aligning me with Nazism / fascism which in itself is easier to attack because of the general consensus of Nazism being evil (and rightly so).

He even admits that islamism (although I think he falsely thinks it has nothing to do with islam / the koran itself - which is false) is disgusting but somehow my criticism isn't valid.

[Slapper]

Then why are you defending fascist Islam? 

All the arguments I've seen presented by Nordic have to do with the religion of Islam and how it is used today by radical durkas to terrorize and subdue those that do not subscribe to their warped point of view.

Comparing his views towards a religion to what the Nazis did to the Jews is a stretch.

And... which one of my comments actually EVEN REMOTELY SMELLS like I'm defending Islam?

[Slapper]

Well, you see it shows the weakness in his/Jags position.

I directly criticize islam, and he criticizes MY criticism[...]

In that very sentence you've pretty much eliminated w8tlftr's allegation that I defed Islam. You pretty much said it: I criticize your criticism of Islam. Indoingso if you guys think I'm defending Burqas and chopping heads and killing gays, etc; then you're way off the mark. Were I to live in the perfect society where there are no homophobic, racist or sexist problems then I'd have no qualms whatsoever in criticizing the fuck out of everyone. Since I do not live in the perfect society I shut up and work toward getting there.

[...]by aligning me with Nazism / fascism which in itself is easier to attack because of the general consensus of Nazism being evil (and rightly so).[...]

No bloke, you're easy to attack because your argument that we can criticise Islam by itself, without bringing up other religions and negative facts about other religions, shows a level of hypocrisy not seen in many moons. I mean, if you can't look at yourself in the mirror and recognize your faults before you recognize someone else's then there's something really wrong with you.

[...]He even admits that is lamism (although I think he falsely thinks it has nothing to do with islam / the koran itself - which is false) is disgusting but somehow my criticism isn't valid.

No, I said ALL religions are shit, not just Islam. Your opinion of Islam is not Islam itself, I do not understand why you keep insisting it is ("He even admits that is lamism [...] is disgusting but somehow my criticism isn't valid.) I can criticize your opinion on something without criticizing the something itself. For example, I seriously dislike HH6's view of the world as a whole, do I hate the world as a whole? No! Are we on the same page here? I mean, I thought we were headed toward a higher level of understating here but it seems as though you keep insisting on going back to Chapter 1, when I'm almost done with the book!

[Nordic Superman]

In that very sentence you've pretty much eliminated w8tlftr's allegation that I defed Islam. You pretty much said it: I criticize your criticism of Islam. Indoingso if you guys think I'm defending Burqas and chopping heads and killing gays, etc; then you're way off the mark. Were I to live in the perfect society where there are no homophobic, racist or sexist problems then I'd have no qualms whatsoever in criticizing the fuck out of everyone. Since I do not live in the perfect society I shut up and work toward getting there.

No bloke, you're easy to attack because your argument that we can criticise Islam by itself, without bringing up other religions and negative facts about other religions, shows a level of hypocrisy not seen in many moons. I mean, if you can't look at yourself in the mirror and recognize your faults before you recognize someone else's then there's something really wrong with you.

No, I said ALL religions are shit, not just Islam. Your opinion of Islam is not Islam itself, I do not understand why you keep insisting it is ("He even admits that is lamism [...] is disgusting but somehow my criticism isn't valid.) I can criticize your opinion on something without criticizing the something itself. For example, I seriously dislike HH6's view of the world as a whole, do I hate the world as a whole? No! Are we on the same page here? I mean, I thought we were headed toward a higher level of understating here but it seems as though you keep insisting on going back to Chapter 1, when I'm almost done with the book!

No, islam CAN be criticized exclusive of any other religion - that is the KEY point you can't get into your head. You want to bring up the self berating of the west everytime you criticize anywhere else in the world then fine, you do that. I'm not inclined to do that, and technically it doesn't weaken my position.

If islamism results in something bad, I can criticize that without wasting energy criticizing a mutually exclusive religion.

Islamism is islam.

My opinion is of islam itself - point out where this isn't true and I'll do my best to refute it.

[Slapper]

No, islam CAN be criticized exclusive of any other religion - that is the KEY point you can't get into your head.

Again, for the umpteenth time, yes you can, but if you criticize something that you can be criticized for yourself then that makes you a hypocrite. And this is what you DO NOT understand.

[...]You want to bring up the self berating of the west everytime you criticize anywhere else in the world then fine, you do that. I'm not inclined to do that, and technically it doesn't weaken my position.

Yes it does! How can you criticize anyone, anything for mass murder when your government is also engaged in wholesale mass murdering itself? Woudn't it make more sense you to to criticize your own government, which is MUCH closer to you and something you have some control over, rather than pointing out someone else's flaws when yours are even greater?! 

If islamism results in something bad, I can criticize that without wasting energy criticizing a mutually exclusive religion.

Sure, but are you ready to accept the criticism from an Islamist about your society, religion or government? Would you accept that criticism as valid? If so, would you be open to compromise and change that which you and the Islamists do not like about each other?

My opinion is of islam itself - point out where this isn't true and I'll do my best to refute it.

That's not true. In some of your comments you criticise some radical extremists, in others you criticise the human rights violations in states where Islam is the de facto law of the land. You are, in essence, criticising a minority and their radical interpretation of the Koran, which you've personalized in the term "Islam". The truth is Islam hasn't killed a single soul. It's us humans who have missinterpreted the writings of an asshole and gone killin' in his name.

[Nordic Superman]

Again, for the umpteenth time, yes you can, but if you criticize something that you can be criticized for yourself then that makes you a hypocrite. And this is what you DO NOT understand.

Yes it does! How can you criticize anyone, anything for mass murder when your government is also engaged in wholesale mass murdering itself? Woudn't it make more sense you to to criticize your own government, which is MUCH closer to you and something you have some control over, rather than pointing out someone else's flaws when yours are even greater?! 

Sure, but are you ready to accept the criticism from an Islamist about your society, religion or government? Would you accept that criticism as valid? If so, would you be open to compromise and change that which you and the Islamists do not like about each other?

That's not true. In some of your comments you criticise some radical extremists, in others you criticise the human rights violations in states where Islam is the de facto law of the land. You are, in essence, criticising a minority and their radical interpretation of the Koran, which you've personalized in the term "Islam". The truth is Islam hasn't killed a single soul. It's us humans who have missinterpreted the writings of an asshole and gone killin' in his name.

I do criticize my government... in other threads... directed at that topic. The severity of flaws is subjective, you're one who choses to berate the west, so the bias is clear to see.

I read about muslim's criticism of my society all the time. Some points do have validity, but their methods are flawed and ruins their position.

I criticise ISLAMISM, it is ISLAM. I criticize the human rights violations which ISLAM promotes. Radical interpretation? Sorry old man, just exposed you know nothing about the koran. Nazism didn't kill a single soul then has it?

Logical fallacy: If we have misinterpreted muhammads writings, then he's not the asshole, then surely we are

[Slapper]

I do criticize my government... in other threads... directed at that topic. The severity of flaws is subjective, you're one who choses to berate the west, so the bias is clear to see.

Again. Your shortsightedness is the stuff of legends my friend! I do not berate the West. That's what YOU are saying I do. I say Christians are in no moral position to criticise any other religion. They MAY THINK they've got the moral high ground, but in reality they do not.

read about muslim's criticism of my society all the time. Some points do have validity, but their methods are flawed and ruins their position.

Like who? Casey Kasem? Paula Abdul?

I criticise ISLAMISM, it is ISLAM. I criticize the human rights violations which ISLAM promotes. Radical interpretation? Sorry old man, just exposed you know nothing about the koran. Nazism didn't kill a single soul then has it?

Ok, then you must be the oddest guy this side of Fuckinstan then. If you criticize someone's actions or interpretation of something you are not criticizing the something, you are criticizing the actions and interpretations. So far, by what I've read of you, you tend to criticise headchoppings, the backwardness of some of their societies, homophobia, etc, which are not exclusive of Muslim countries and may be written about in the Koran, but so too in the Bible (no queers), by the by.

As far as your Nazism comment goes... Islam is based on people's total submission to God through the Koran. Nazism is total adherence to the policies of Nazi government. Excellent point!   

Logical fallacy: If we have misinterpreted muhammads writings, then he's not the asshole, then surely we are

No, the Muslims/Christians/Jews that have taken God's writings well out of context and kill people in his/her name. They are the assholes. 

[Fury]

Slapper, seriously just shut the fuck up. You lost this argument. You've been reduced to grasping at straws and making outlandish claims and plain old bold faced lies. When you're reduced to that point, you've lost an argument. No amount of spam, cursing, bombardment of text is going to change that. You're obviously too fucking dense to even debate this issue (just like Jag the Ape) and your only mode of attack is spewing fallacies. It seems to be the modus operandi of the apologists here. Make up bullshit claims while not refuting any of them or providing any facts.

In other words, STFU.

It's a political thread by the way, started by ME. Not religious, despite your apologist attempts to make it look like that.

Well, you see it shows the weakness in his/Jags position.

I directly criticize islam, and he criticizes MY criticism by aligning me with Nazism / fascism which in itself is easier to attack because of the general consensus of Nazism being evil (and rightly so).

He even admits that islamism (although I think he falsely thinks it has nothing to do with islam / the koran itself - which is false) is disgusting but somehow my criticism isn't valid.

Comes with dealing with people with IQ's under 100 here. They can't grasp anything beyond what their inferior minds tell them. They have to thump their chest and throw out lies to sound intelligent. They don't possess the ability to refute any points made and their only response is to scream louder.

Dealing with a child with a GED while having such disgust for the West that nothing can be debated without bringing them into it and a woman who claims to have the same IQ as Einstein while making a career out of working with a criminal peddling fraudulent "gas caps" and herbal cures for SARS.

[Fury]

By the way Slapper, here's some little tid bits of information for you as you try to claim that Muslims really aren't all that bad and that they really don't kill that many people (LOL!).

More people are killed by Islamists each year than in all 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition combined.

More civilians were killed by Muslim extremists in two hours on September 11th than in the 36 years of sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland.

Islamic terrorists murder more people everyday than the Ku Klux Klan has in the last 50 years.

19 Muslim hijackers killed more innocents in two hours on September 11th than the number of American criminals executed in the last 65 years.

Monthly Jihad Report
 July 2008
Jihad Attacks:    

200
Countries:    

22
Religions:    

5
Dead Bodies:    

926
Critically Injured:    

2075

Weekly Jihad Report
 Aug 16 - Aug 22
Jihad Attacks:    

44
Dead Bodies:    

370
Critically Injured:    

413


Over 11,721 attacks carried out by islamists since 9/11 ALONE.

Can't deny facts, champ.

[w8tlftr]

And... which one of my comments actually EVEN REMOTELY SMELLS like I'm defending Islam?

You defend it by arguing against his assertion that it is presently a religion of terror and oppression.

It may not be your intention to defend it but you are.

[Nordic Superman]

Ok, then you must be the oddest guy this side of Fuckinstan then. If you criticize someone's actions or interpretation of something you are not criticizing the something, you are criticizing the actions and interpretations. So far, by what I've read of you, you tend to criticise headchoppings, the backwardness of some of their societies, homophobia, etc, which are not exclusive of Muslim countries and may be written about in the Koran, but so too in the Bible (no queers), by the by.

As far as your Nazism comment goes... Islam is based on people's total submission to God through the Koran. Nazism is total adherence to the policies of Nazi government. Excellent point!   

No, the Muslims/Christians/Jews that have taken God's writings well out of context and kill people in his/her name. They are the assholes. 

The point is I know it's in the Bible, yet I can discuss and criticise islams stance on homosexuality without mentioning the Bible and my point is JUST AS VALID.

The koran is definitive, it has laws and an ideological setting which is vastly different than the Bible.

[youandme]

I do not berate the West. That's what YOU are saying I do. I say Christians are in no moral position to criticise any other religion. They MAY THINK they've got the moral high ground, but in reality they do not.

No, the Muslims/Christians/Jews that have taken God's writings well out of context and kill people in his/her name. They are the assholes. 

No you do berate the West as if you actually live in a Middle Eastern country.


Yeah I can't believe those pesky Jews, and Christians declared a holy war this century, and mum "kill the infidels" as they strap themselves with plastic and walk into crowded markets