Feds: 'Explosives Not Used in Sept. 11 Attack' (21 Aug 2008)

[Brixtonbulldog]

JesusFuckingChrist

The new report is as accurate as can be.  The metal didn't have to melt it just had to be weakened enough. 

You guys hanging on to this are pathetic.

[OzmO]

JesusFuckingChrist

The new report is as accurate as can be.  The metal didn't have to melt it just had to be weakened enough. 

You guys hanging on to this are pathetic.

There will be the vast majority of engineers, experts and scientists who will find nothing wrong with the report.  Then there will be the a few nutty engineers, experts and scientists who will challenge it and every CT'er will flock to what they say.

[2ND COMING]

So 240 are you going to read the report.

http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/factsheet/wtc_qa_082108.html

In videos, it appears that WTC 7 is descending in free fall, something that would not occur in the structural collapse that you describe. How can you ignore basic laws of physics?
WTC 7 did not enter free fall. According to NIST analysis of WTC 7 video, the building collapsed 18 stories in 5.3 seconds. If the building exhibited free fall, this process would have taken just 3.9 seconds. The actual collapse time exceeded the free fall time by 40 percent.

I saw the segment they did on cnn about this. they didnt show 1 replay of wtc7 collapsing 

[egj13]

I love getting you CT weenies fired up abou this...

[240 is Back]

I love getting you CT weenies fired up abou this...

egj13,

Do you believe in any conspiracy theories from our nation's past?

That whole FDR coup?

[egj13]

I am by no means a CTer...does the government hide things?  as a member of the military I can tell you yes...but does the government kill people like in 9-11...um no

[240 is Back]

I am by no means a CTer...does the government hide things?  as a member of the military I can tell you yes...but does the government kill people like in 9-11...um no

Would allowing an attack to take place - be something we would do?

Luscitania (sp?)
Pearl harbor.

Do you believe either event was allowed to happen?

[Brixtonbulldog]

Would allowing an attack to take place - be something we would do?

Luscitania (sp?)
Pearl harbor.

Do you believe either event was allowed to happen?

Could you clarify how pearl harbor was allowed to happen?  It's my understanding that there were several failures in both communication and command but I don't believe it was "allowed" to happen.

[240 is Back]

Could you clarify how pearl harbor was allowed to happen?  It's my understanding that there were several failures in both communication and command but I don't believe it was "allowed" to happen.

we could do a whole nother 20-page thread on that.

Brix, do you believe in US history, our leaders have ever let harm come to a few citizens to justify action?

[Brixtonbulldog]

we could do a whole nother 20-page thread on that.

Brix, do you believe in US history, our leaders have ever let harm come to a few citizens to justify action?

I haven't heard credible evidence otherwise, at least not yet.

Although I happen to know a Navy Air Traffic Controller who says there is irrefutable evidence that flight 93 was shot down by two  F-18's over Penn. 

[240 is Back]

Although I happen to know a Navy Air Traffic Controller who says there is irrefutable evidence that flight 93 was shot down by two  F-18's over Penn. 

That is officially CT talk.

It goes against the official story.

Your friend is a conspiracy theorist by definition.  He believes something other than the 'official version'.

True, the debris was spread over 8 miles and the witnesses said fighters brought it down. 
True, some canadian military guy admitted it was shot down.
True, Rumsfeld admitted we shot it down (on video).
True, the NBC chopper on the scene BEFORE the police arrived showed an empty hole with no fire or debris.

But... if it's true we shot it down, then our govt killed citizens (to prevent bigger injury, yes), but did it and lied about it.  That's big.  Hard to take their word on the other events of the day - especially when the pentagon crash had equally small amount of plane debris - when they so obviously lie about this one.

[Brixtonbulldog]

That is officially CT talk.

It goes against the official story.

Your friend is a conspiracy theorist by definition.  He believes something other than the 'official version'.

True, the debris was spread over 8 miles and the witnesses said fighters brought it down. 
True, some canadian military guy admitted it was shot down.
True, Rumsfeld admitted we shot it down (on video).
True, the NBC chopper on the scene BEFORE the police arrived showed an empty hole with no fire or debris.

But... if it's true we shot it down, then our govt killed citizens (to prevent bigger injury, yes), but did it and lied about it.  That's big.  Hard to take their word on the other events of the day - especially when the pentagon crash had equally small amount of plane debris - when they so obviously lie about this one.

Nothing you said is beyond possibility but I doubt the same is true about Pearl Harbor.

[240 is Back]

Nothing you said is beyond possibility but I doubt the same is true about Pearl Harbor.

well, it only has to happen once.

If it happened on 911... and they lied about it... then it's not hard to look at other events.

Declassified papers show Vietnam was started without us being fired upon at tonken.  yes, state dept blames a middle mgmt paperwork error for the report were were shelled, and vietnam started as a result.

Declassified papers show in 1962, we had a plan to blow up planes and stage miami terror attacks, to justify invasion of cuba.  People would have died in the bombings.  It was approved by dept of defense.  Only JFk stopped it at last minute.

Surrely there's more, but it doesn't matter.  Hard to listen to guys like BB tell us "they'd never lie about this" when they admit they did exactly that, decades ago.


It's pointless. We can't change any of it.  But I guess it's interesting to argue about. 

[Brixtonbulldog]

well, it only has to happen once.

If it happened on 911... and they lied about it... then it's not hard to look at other events.

Declassified papers show Vietnam was started without us being fired upon at tonken.  yes, state dept blames a middle mgmt paperwork error for the report were were shelled, and vietnam started as a result.

Declassified papers show in 1962, we had a plan to blow up planes and stage miami terror attacks, to justify invasion of cuba.  People would have died in the bombings.  It was approved by dept of defense.  Only JFk stopped it at last minute.

Surrely there's more, but it doesn't matter.  Hard to listen to guys like BB tell us "they'd never lie about this" when they admit they did exactly that, decades ago.


It's pointless. We can't change any of it.  But I guess it's interesting to argue about. 

Despite that I think you have a soft spot for socialism in America I don't discount many of the things you say regarding "conspiracy" theories.  You speculation abut 9/11 being allowed to happen doesn't fly with me but that doesn't mean there are many things the gov't doesn't or hasn't declassified about many official stories.  In Hunt for Red October (I love Tom Clancy) James Earl Jones' character says "Let's deal in what we KNOW." 

Speculation is just that and only dealing with what I may "know" doesn't mean I don't have an open mind.

[OzmO]

I haven't heard credible evidence otherwise, at least not yet.

Although I happen to know a Navy Air Traffic Controller who says there is irrefutable evidence that flight 93 was shot down by two  F-18's over Penn. 

How would a "Navy" ATC know?

[240 is Back]

How would a "Navy" ATC know?

His friend is a crazy loon nut CTer.

Although even Beach Bum won't say the govt wouldn't do such a thing.  Sounds like the CTers are everywhere around here these days.

Why can't people just believe what they're told, and realize that we're #1 in the world because we always do the right thing?  These lib CTers... the Obama nation author for example... BB for another example...and this navy guy.

Do they hate america because they don't believe everything Bush says?

[Brixtonbulldog]

How would a "Navy" ATC know?

Exposure to materials that most of us would never see.

[OzmO]

Exposure to materials that most of us would never see.

So, this Navy ATC, was exposed to classified documents concerning this?   And it's likely that many other people know or have seen the same documents?

[Brixtonbulldog]

So, this Navy ATC, was exposed to classified documents concerning this?   And it's likely that many other people know or have seen the same documents?

I have to assume so but it certainly wouldn't be the first time.

[OzmO]

I have to assume so but it certainly wouldn't be the first time.

Do you think it's true?  Or are you undecided pending more information?

[mightymouse72]

Give it a month before a new wave of documentaries.  It's the smoking gun of 911.  Fire melts a building for the first time in history - and not only that - it does it in 7 seconds?

Everybody knows.

Well, here's your "everybody!"  Boy, this 'Search for the Truth' stuff is really taking off. 

Spiderman and Wonder Woman are really convincing. 

[mightymouse72]

 

[240 is Back]

Well, here's your "everybody!"  Boy, this 'Search for the Truth' stuff is really taking off. 
Spiderman and Wonder Woman are really convincing. 

Believe whatever you'd like.  You have a very logical and loyal republican voter in Brix, telling us that the US shot down a plane and lied about it.   Sounds like your beef should be with him.  Much easier to make fun of protesters that face evidence.  Go for it.

[a_joker10]

Explain to me how Pearl harbour or Navy flight controllers have anything to do with release of the WTC 7 report.
I thought the new board rules were here to stop hijacking threads.
Oh well. I guess CTers get a free pass.

[OzmO]

Explain to me how Pearl harbour or Navy flight controllers have anything to do with release of the WTC 7 report.
I thought the new board rules were here to stop hijacking threads.
Oh well. I guess CTers get a free pass.

Sometimes conversations evolve in different directions.   The rule was about deliberate trolling designed to derail the discussion.

That's not the case here.

Both pearl and navy ATC subjects have a relation to the topic indirectly.