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Re: Post pics of the furthest you can get being natural!
« Reply #125 on: August 22, 2008, 12:17:34 PM »
ALL NATURAL HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAHHAAH


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Re: Post pics of the furthest you can get being natural!
« Reply #126 on: August 22, 2008, 12:17:52 PM »
Bobby Pandour



Had to quote this one out of respect. Awesome physique for any time period and he only worked with 10 lb dumbbells.

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Re: Post pics of the furthest you can get being natural!
« Reply #127 on: August 22, 2008, 12:19:35 PM »

I will never be 225 and shredded but I could be 200 and shredded some day.  It may take me 10 years but I will be there.  I was about 187 for the Yorton Cup.
I think you are most likely natural as you are only in the 180s.  When you get to 200, IF you do.  I won`t give you the benefit of the doubt. :)

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Re: Post pics of the furthest you can get being natural!
« Reply #128 on: August 22, 2008, 12:24:40 PM »
ALL NATURAL!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHHAHA WITH GYNO



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Re: Post pics of the furthest you can get being natural!
« Reply #129 on: August 22, 2008, 12:25:10 PM »
I find if someone is ripped and has big delts it's a giveaway

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Re: Post pics of the furthest you can get being natural!
« Reply #130 on: August 22, 2008, 12:27:23 PM »
No anabolic steroids is not the definition of natural.    Many other chemicals on the IOC banned drug list, including massive doses of caffeine and ephedra.   if you use those to get an extra hard workout, you're not natural.    If you use herbal diuretics prior to a contest, you're not natural.

ignoring your previous prohormone use, it's easy to be on the natural bandwagon at 19.   but in 15 years you will find it hard to keep your gains, let alone make additional gains.  and it's not just because of drop in test levels.  it's because getting old sucks.  your body doesn't respond as quickly, and certainly doesn't recover as quickly.

your argument makes no sense, how is whey protein natural? it is derived from milking a cow and isolating fractions, what is natural about that?


first off for you to continue arguing why dont you lay down a definition of natural which can be used.

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Re: Post pics of the furthest you can get being natural!
« Reply #131 on: August 22, 2008, 12:28:40 PM »

Adam,

Whats funny is that I didn't even tell Doug about this post, and he just jumped in, and did his 1 Getbig post every 3 years LOL

Some of these guys I question Adam, some I could believe!

Only THEY KNOW, and we never will!

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Re: Post pics of the furthest you can get being natural!
« Reply #132 on: August 22, 2008, 12:30:21 PM »
ALL NATURAL HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAHHAAH


Adam, what about this guy?

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Re: Post pics of the furthest you can get being natural!
« Reply #133 on: August 22, 2008, 12:32:33 PM »
Adam, what about this guy?

All DBOL!!!!!


LOLL   I couldn't resist!!!

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Re: Post pics of the furthest you can get being natural!
« Reply #134 on: August 22, 2008, 12:34:17 PM »
Adam,

Whats funny is that I didn't even tell Doug about this post, and he just jumped in, and did his 1 Getbig post every 3 years LOL

Some of these guys I question Adam, some I could believe!

Only THEY KNOW, and we never will!
I think anyone should be subject to questioning and therefore should not be offended at all.  If this post were on the OCB all the cry-babies would come out of the woodwork and the meltdowns would ensue.  I do think Doug is natural and he is the upper limit.  Seeing as there NEVER has been a 200 lber ripped at 4 percent and under 6 feet, if anyone is at that level, they are to be considered not natural.  That is an answer to the thread of how far one can go.

200 lbs is a stretch with 180-195 being the absolute top for anyone under 6 feet.  Bone Structure also will play a role in how Heavy one gets.  Someone technically could weigh less and be the same height, but have more muscle per square inch due to structure.

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Re: Post pics of the furthest you can get being natural!
« Reply #135 on: August 22, 2008, 12:36:27 PM »
Adam, what about this guy?
Camera Trick my friend.  Notice the "Dutch Angle", light and fuzzy quality.

Here is a better pic from the same time period to show just how obese that REALLY is.


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Re: Post pics of the furthest you can get being natural!
« Reply #136 on: August 22, 2008, 12:36:37 PM »
first off for you to continue arguing why dont you lay down a definition of natural which can be used.

food:  aminio acids, fatty acids, carbohydrates

drugs: chemicals that have an effect on your body, including caffeine, herbs that act like a stimulant or a diuretic, anything that affects your hormonal levels.

snake oil:  99% of what you find in the health food store, including NOX supplements.

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Re: Post pics of the furthest you can get being natural!
« Reply #137 on: August 22, 2008, 12:37:06 PM »
your argument makes no sense, how is whey protein natural? it is derived from milking a cow and isolating fractions, what is natural about that?


first off for you to continue arguing why dont you lay down a definition of natural which can be used.
natural = no anabolic steroids/growth hormones/insulin/prohormones or hormones of any kind...

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Re: Post pics of the furthest you can get being natural!
« Reply #138 on: August 22, 2008, 12:40:42 PM »
natural = no anabolic steroids/growth hormones/insulin/prohormones or hormones of any kind...
Thats my idea of Natural.

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Re: Post pics of the furthest you can get being natural!
« Reply #139 on: August 22, 2008, 12:42:13 PM »
food:  aminio acids, fatty acids, carbohydrates

drugs: chemicals that have an effect on your body, including caffeine, herbs that act like a stimulant or a diuretic, anything that affects your hormonal levels.

snake oil:  99% of what you find in the health food store, including NOX supplements.

how old are you, Tim?

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Re: Post pics of the furthest you can get being natural!
« Reply #140 on: August 22, 2008, 12:43:16 PM »
Thats my idea of Natural.

Guess I'm not natural then due to the Pro-hormones!

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Re: Post pics of the furthest you can get being natural!
« Reply #141 on: August 22, 2008, 12:45:29 PM »
Guess I'm not natural then due to the Pro-hormones!
Do you think Some are stronger than steroids?  Patrick Arnold used to manufacture them and made a statement before he went to prison regarding something of that nature.  He helped design many of the drugs Olympic athletes take.

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« Reply #142 on: August 22, 2008, 12:49:17 PM »
I think alot of supplements have steroids or derivatives in them.  There are a few companies that have been shut down by the DEA for putting anabolics in "natural" supplments.

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Re: Post pics of the furthest you can get being natural!
« Reply #143 on: August 22, 2008, 12:52:39 PM »
This was one of the prizes for the first Mr. Getbig.




A once legal supplement whose company put drugs in supplements.

Here is the Department of Justice page regarding HiTech Pharmaceuticals.


http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/pressrel/pr092006.html
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News Release [print-friendly page]
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
September 20, 2006
Contact: DEA Special Agent Ruth Porter-Whipple
(404) 893-7128

DEA: Hi-Tech Pharmaceuticals & 11 Individuals Indicted for "Generic" Pill Fraud Scheme
Defendants Allegedly Sold Millions Of Pills Over The Internet

Defendants Allegedly Sold Millions Of Pills Over The Internet
   

Two of the vehicles seized by the DEA as part of the operation

ATLANTA – Eleven individuals and an Atlanta-based company have been indicted by a federal grand jury on multiple felony charges relating to a scheme to sell adulterated and unapproved new drugs over the internet. Four of the defendants were scheduled to appear at a bond hearing before United States Magistrate Linda Walker at 1:45 p.m. today.

In a news conference, DEA Special Agent In Charge Sherri Strange said, “One of the fastest growing drug abuse concerns is prescription drugs. The selling and purchasing of drugs have been facilitated by the wide use of the internet, the anonymity it provides, and the ease and relative secrecy of the mail and private delivery companies. A recent search engine query for ‘prescription drugs for sale online’ resulted in over 10 million hits. President Bush, Attorney General Gonzales, and DEA Administrator Tandy have made prescription drug abuse a priority for DEA. As our children sit down at the family computer to do their schoolwork, research projects, and converse with friends, criminal organizations like the one alleged today slither into their lives. Every one of us has received spam e-mails directing us to visit websites to order supposed generic prescription drugs and controlled substances. Buyers beware. I am proud that DEA works closely with the FDA, other federal agencies, and foreign counterparts to thwart such criminal organizations.”

United States Attorney David E. Nahmias said, “The indictment’s allegations are disturbing because customers thought they were getting legitimate and safe prescription drugs over the internet from Canada at cheaper prices, when in reality they received adulterated fakes that were crudely made in an unsanitary house in Belize.”

FDA Office of Criminal Investigations Special Agent In Charge David Bourne said, “The FDA’s Office of Criminal Investigations actively pursues those who deceive the public by manufacturing and selling unapproved and unregulated medications which may pose risks to the health of consumers. We are committed to investigating and preventing those who use trickery and deceit to illegally and unscrupulously sell medications over the internet at the expense of the public health."

The defendants named in the indictment are: JARED ROBERT WHEAT, 34, of Alpharetta, Georgia; DAVID DALTON JOHNSON, 37, of Pinehurst, North Carolina; DAVID ALAN BRADY, 40, of Pinehurst, North Carolina; STEPHEN DOUGLAS SMITH, 38, of Duluth, Georgia; THOMAS HOLDA, 43, of Duluth, Georgia; SERGIO RONALDO OLIVEIRA, 46, of Hoschton, Georgia; BRAD NEAL WATKINS, 38, of Birmingham, Alabama; DAVID WATKINS, 40, of Norcross, Georgia; STEVEN BLINDER, 42, of Aberdeen, South Dakota; MICHELLE YOUNG, 38, a citizen of Belize; and, GUILLERMO PECH, 28, also a citizen of Belize; and HI-TECH PHARMACEUTICALS, a company based in Norcross, Georgia.

All of the defendants are charged with two different conspiracies: (1) conspiring to import controlled substances into the United States; and (2) conspiring to violate the wire and mail fraud statute and to introduce into interstate commerce adulterated and misbranded prescription drugs. The indictment charges each of the defendants, except DAVID WATKINS, BRAD WATKINS and STEVEN BLINDER, with different substantive violations including mail fraud, distribution of controlled substances and introducing adulterated and misbranded new drugs. The indictment also charges the lead defendant, JARED WHEAT, with engaging in a continuing criminal enterprise. The indictment seeks to forfeit numerous properties, automobiles and bank accounts, and seeks a money judgment of not less than $19.8 million.

According to United States Attorney Nahmias, the indictment, search warrants and other information presented in court: WHEAT, the principal owner of Hi-Tech Pharmaceuticals, and the other defendants opened a drug manufacturing facility in Belize in approximately 2002. The defendants allegedly used Hi-Tech funds and JARED WHEAT’s own funds to cover the costs of operating the Hi-Tech facility in Belize and would travel to Belize to manufacture various prescription and controlled substances. The defendants allegedly made approximately 24 different drugs that they marketed through so-called “spam” advertisements over the internet as authentic generic versions of those drugs being imported from Canada. The drugs included steroids such as “Oxymethelone” and “Stanazolol,” along with unapproved versions of controlled drugs such as “Ambien,” “Valium,” and “Xanax.” The defendants also manufactured versions of prescription drugs such as “Viagra,” “Cialis,” “Lipitor” and “Vioxx.” From 2002 through 2004, the defendants allegedly ordered enough active ingredients to manufacture millions of pills, many of which were then shipped into the United States to individuals who purchased the drugs after receiving internet “spam” and also to various wholesalers of drugs.

Members of the public are reminded that the indictment only contains charges. The defendants are presumed innocent of the charges and it will be the government's burden to prove each defendant's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt at trial.

The U.S. Attorney's Office in Atlanta recommends parents and children learn about the dangers of drugs at the following web site: www.justthinktwice.com.
This case is being investigated by Special Agents of the DEA and the Food and Drug Administration, Office of Criminal Investigations, with the Henry County Police Department. Valuable assistance has been provided by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF), the Customs and Border Protection Foreign Mail Facility in Miami, the Postal Inspection Service, Doraville Police Department, Roswell Police Department, City of Atlanta Police Department, Spalding County Sheriff's Office, Cobb County Sheriff's Office, Clarkston Police Department, East Point Police Department and the Duluth Police Department.

Assistant United States Attorneys Aaron M. Danzig, Randy S. Chartash and J. Russell Phillips are prosecuting the case.

For further information please contact David E. Nahmias (pronounced NAH-me-us), United States Attorney, or Charysse L. Alexander, Executive Assistant United States Attorney, through Patrick Crosby, Public Affairs Officer, U.S. Attorney's Office, at (404) 581-6016. The Internet address for the HomePage for the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Northern District of Georgia is www.usdoj.gov/usao/gan.

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Re: Post pics of the furthest you can get being natural!
« Reply #144 on: August 22, 2008, 01:00:15 PM »

Adam - This is Doug.  I am clean and I am good friends with Kurt and he is too.  I'm not sure why all the doubt. When you truly live and breath bodybuilding, anything is possible.  I will not let the fact that I am natural limit what I can and cannot achieve. Why would you put limits on yourself?

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Do you think William Powell is natural?


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Re: Post pics of the furthest you can get being natural!
« Reply #145 on: August 22, 2008, 02:51:57 PM »
Do you think William Powell is natural?
Absolutely! He was always known for being a gentleman. 

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Re: Post pics of the furthest you can get being natural!
« Reply #146 on: August 22, 2008, 02:58:54 PM »
at 230 without pump
at 250 with pump

big either way
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Re: Post pics of the furthest you can get being natural!
« Reply #147 on: August 22, 2008, 02:59:54 PM »
Hey T.A, would you care to see the BIGGEST, FINEST, MOST PISS TAKINGLY EPIC example of a Muscle Mania bullshiter?

Let me know, the sheer audacity will blow you away mate.
Indeed!

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« Reply #148 on: August 22, 2008, 03:01:14 PM »


Seriously impressive Mr Falcon
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Re: Post pics of the furthest you can get being natural!
« Reply #149 on: August 22, 2008, 03:03:31 PM »

2 hours a day 2 training sessions a day 3 week straight prior getbigI
recent at about 5 pounds less or so? minimal training
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