what is the best for cutting fat

[vinniedablade]

yes

before you say it i know diet diet diet and cardio
but is winnie still big or is there better out there?


v

[Luv2Hurt]

You beat me too it diet is the answer, otherwise try some clenbuterol (not a steroid) after you read up on it's use.

[iron_dawg]

yes

before you say it i know diet diet diet and cardio
but is winnie still big or is there better out there?


v

drugs aren't going to just cut fat they more or less spare your muscle tissue during dieting and cardio i always run test-prop and tren when dieting

[OTHstrong]

ECA is best period, in terms of juice, of course winstrol and anavar come first. Primo and tren are good and masteron . Clen to add with any of these.

[iron_dawg]

ECA is best period, in terms of juice, of course winstrol and anavar come first. Primo and tren are good and masteron . Clen to add with any of these.

never used winstrol and anavar combo...which do you prefer onetime?

[OTHstrong]

never used winstrol and anavar combo...which do you prefer onetime?

I usually will run winstrol for 12 weeks and and the last 6 weeks Ill add anavar as well because I find anavar to be more effective in shot term. If I were to pick out of the two I would go with the winny to lose weght and if I was just trying to maintain leaness when I am all ready leaN then I would go with the anavar.

[Has Beens]

ECA is best period, in terms of juice, of course winstrol and anavar come first. Primo and tren are good and masteron . Clen to add with any of these.

I second this also. What is your goal body fat % ? if you are just looking to lean up I would go with the ECA and clen.

[spirospros]

t3 + clenbuterol (25 -50 mcg t3 + 80 - 100mcg clen) low carb - high protein

[abc123]

Spiros is correct,  but adding in 4-6 IU of GH as well will really get it going. I would also probably up the T3 to 75 mcg.

[abc123]

My previous post assumes some AAS as a base

[spirospros]

Spiros is correct,  but adding in 4-6 IU of GH as well will really get it going. I would also probably up the T3 to 75 mcg.

split hgh at 2times a day early morning empty stomach - in the middle of the night

[bassmaster]

5-6 whole omega eggs breakfeat
5oz chik breast, handfull of almonds. meal 2
50 grams whey isolate w/ 2 tbs pb. meal 3
5oz chick breast, handfull almonds. meal 4
5oz salmon w/ 1 cup veggies and with 2-3 squirts of flax oils (liquid form) meal 5
50 grams whe isolatew/ 2tbs pb. meal 6 ..

one cheat meal a week

i like whole meals in the morning due to wrkout being around that same time. will take some winny, but rather work with eca.... it seems to give me a better sense of well being, tried clen and t3 but rather go with the eca. if your looking to lose weight fast the diet will cut 10lbs in a week or two, of course its water but w/ some fat also.   winny works best for the low digits bf% folks. so what your bf% is what i would work off first..

[spirospros]

5-6 whole omega eggs breakfeat
5oz chik breast, handfull of almonds. meal 2
50 grams whey isolate w/ 2 tbs pb. meal 3
5oz chick breast, handfull almonds. meal 4
5oz salmon w/ 1 cup veggies and with 2-3 squirts of flax oils (liquid form) meal 5
50 grams whe isolatew/ 2tbs pb. meal 6 ..

one cheat meal a week

i like whole meals in the morning due to wrkout being around that same time. will take some winny, but rather work with eca.... it seems to give me a better sense of well being, tried clen and t3 but rather go with the eca. if your looking to lose weight fast the diet will cut 10lbs in a week or two, of course its water but w/ some fat also.   winny works best for the low digits bf% folks. so what your bf% is what i would work off first..

[strength]

For me FINA absolutely shredded me like no other. 

[spirospros]

For me FINA absolutely shredded me like no other. 

its great but no real any more..which one u use;

[strength]

always, and i mean always made my own

[4thAD]

its great but no real any more..which one u use;

What do you mean by this? All Fina is, is tren acetate and tren acetate is fairly common, and easily home brewed.

[Emmortal]

350mgs of Tren A EW
500mgs Test Prop EW
100mcgs of T3 400mcgs of T4 ED
ECA Stack ED
100mgs of Var ED
8ius of GH ED

A very clean diet in a caloric deficit with a ton of cardio.  That's about as good as it gets IMO.  That should cut anyone up in no time flat.

[tbombz]

350mgs of Tren A EW
500mgs Test Prop EW
100mcgs of T3 400mcgs of T4 ED
ECA Stack ED
100mgs of Var ED
8ius of GH ED

A very clean diet in a caloric deficit with a ton of cardio.  That's about as good as it gets IMO.  That should cut anyone up in no time flat.

for myself,  t3 seems to work faster with continued grazing and lots of calorie dense foods. 

but your right and i love that stack you outlined. exactly how i would have done it.

[Fatpanda]

is there any research showing whinny or primo is good for fat loss ?

i have read about anavar, and test.

[OTHstrong]

is there any research showing whinny or primo is good for fat loss ?

i have read about anavar, and test.

" Fat Loss" is a misleading term because my objective is not only fat loss but perserve all my muscle while getting shredded, if a 300 pound man went on primo or whinny and never touches a weight doesn't care about his diet and lives exactly the same, will he lose fat, of course not, however as a bodybuilder it wouldn't be worth it for me to shred down without using anything indirectly beneficial to fat loss, hence whinny is beneficial to fat loss, harder muscles, less bloat, and more vascularity.

[Fatpanda]

" Fat Loss" is a misleading term because my objective is not only fat loss but perserve all my muscle while getting shredded, if a 300 pound man went on primo or whinny and never touches a weight doesn't care about his diet and lives exactly the same, will he lose fat, of course not, however as a bodybuilder it wouldn't be worth it for me to shred down without using anything indirectly beneficial to fat loss, hence whinny is beneficial to fat loss, harder muscles, less bloat, and more vascularity.

so thats a no then   

yes, fat loss with minimum muscle loss is what we are all after, but i think your being pedantic. basically most steroids do what you said in some capacity.

studies have shown anavar has greater fat loss effects than test, test is 2nd best for fat loss. however i have never read of winny or primo's effects on fat loss.

my question again - has anyone come across research detailing winny or primo's efects on fat loss. (muscle perservation is a given already)

[tbombz]

I would imagine that any androgen will speed fat loss. Why certain ones seem to increase lipolysis more than others... i don't think there is a definitive answer to that question. One might hypothesize that the androgen's 'binding affinity' to adipose AR would be a determining factor.. but we see that binding affinity is not an indication of anabolic effect in muscular AR....so i only assume that its the same case for adipose AR.


And then again you have the indirect effects of androgen's like Winny and/or Primo. Increased feed efficiency, more muscle retention(possible muscle gain), and increased glycogensis would all help support fat loss.

[OTHstrong]

I would imagine that any androgen will speed fat loss. Why certain ones seem to increase lipolysis more than others... i don't think there is a definitive answer to that question. One might hypothesize that the androgen's 'binding affinity' to adipose AR would be a determining factor.. but we see that binding affinity is not an indication of anabolic effect in muscular AR....so i only assume that its the same case for adipose AR.


And then again you have the indirect effects of androgen's like Winny and/or Primo. Increased feed efficiency, more muscle retention(possible muscle gain), and increased glycogensis would all help support fat loss.

Great post.

[CalvinH]

Diet,diet,diet,and cardio