How many people here actually believe prayer has an affect on anything?

[Anabolic Outlaw]

Well the bible isnt to be taken literally but to say these people who wrote it are ignorant is pretty short sighted dont you think ?

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
- 2 Timothy 3:16,17 (KJV)

[MCWAY]

If you dont understand what I mean then I dont have time to go over every part with you ! Cheers !

Apparently, you didn't catch my recent edit. For example, if you don't believe in the Creation account, when and how did sin come into this world, and why did Christ die to atone for that sin?

[polychronopolous]

 I try to believe I'm a mr O

Statements like this make me wonder why I hold you in such high esteem

[Alex23]

Ignorant of the scientific knowledge we've gained in the past 2,000 years.  They were scared primitives who has zero working knowledge of the world around them and had the need to attribute every natural phenomenon to the direct hands-on intervention of dieties.

Settle down goatboy. The "world" was created 10 000 years ago by "Creationism"


Carbon-14 is Witchcarft.

[Dball]

People here are always shouting pray for this and pray for that but how many people really believe in the 'power of prayer' and how many are just going through the motions?

Discuss...

I do

[Harry Spotter]

I think it's the utmost of arrogance to believe there is no God or creator.

Man cannot create the simplest form of life in a lab.

You are absolutely misinformed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribozyme

Regardless of your particular reasons, think about your ability to rationalize and decide it's not a good idea to kill yourself. It's an innate desire that is in all of us.

Do the bacteria that live on / in you enjoy this same innate desire to live or is it unique to human 'life'?

[Alex23]

You are absolutely misinformed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribozyme

Do the bacteria that live on / in you enjoy this same innate desire to live or is it unique to human 'life'?

Spotterowned.

A promising NewB has just shown his face .

[THEBOSS]

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
- 2 Timothy 3:16,17 (KJV) your a little nuts !

  Your a little nuts !

[Deicide]

here's a thought...

You know how the universe is expanding at 800 mile per second or whatever...  that's predetermined, right?  Determined by whatever caused it.

The way the planets and rocks rotate around each of those stars.... pre-determined by the original energy that started it all.

The way water forms, life evolves, rocks fall from the sky onto earth... that's all controlled by the original energy that caused the Big bang.

The way ants and lions act... all controlled by the set of circumstances and events from the big bang, which was caused by energy.


Why would people be any different?  Why wouldn't we be like every other lion, ant, waterfall, meteor, moon, planet, star, and galaxy... controlled by nothing but outside events predetermined by the original energy?

If you think you have free will, that's because the original energy gave you that perception.  Did you choose to be born?  will you choose to get cancer of the ass one day?  Did you choose your parents, or the water and air around you?

What have you chosen?  the way you interact with the people and esources around you (which incidentcally were given to you by chance, by the original energy)?



To me, if all the bigger events in the universe were predetermind by a bigger energy, then you and I sure were too.

240...your god is John McCain....and your determiner is Obama...

[Deicide]

Which parts are or aren't supposed to be taken literally?

Jesus Christ's death and resurrection are for the sin of mankind. Where and when did this sin initially occur?

Sin, eh? Have you been benching 405 at 235lbs as a natural again MCWAY?

[BIG ACH]

This goes back to the post I made a few days ago, why is it that in our age of technology, live TV, the Internet, You tube, have no miracles ever been captured and presented to the public eye.  But back in the day when they only had a pen and a paper did soooooo many miracles by the holy ones occur and got recorded???

[Deicide]

This goes back to the post I made a few days ago, why is it that in our age of technology, live TV, the Internet, You tube, have no miracles ever been captured and presented to the public eye.  But back in the day when they only had a pen and a paper did soooooo many miracles by the holy ones occur and got recorded???

Are you saying that large quantities of anabolic steroids don't render you temporarily infertile?

[kyomu]

"God does NOT play dice with the Universe."
  - Albert Einstein

You dont know what he meaned about it.

When he debated with Niels Bohr, he said it.
Cus he couldnt accept the uncertain principle of the quantum theory.
But later, He admited it.

Your mind structure is the catholic which always searchs for Mesia.
And sorry,This time Albert Einstein admited this world was wrong letter.
Dont worship anything. That makes you a BLIND.

[MCWAY]

Ignorant of the scientific knowledge we've gained in the past 2,000 years.  They were scared primitives who had zero working knowledge of the world around them and had the need to attribute every natural phenomenon to the direct hands-on intervention of dieties.

Exactly where is the chapter and verse in which all natural phenomena is attributed to the intervention of deities? There are specific instances where supernatural intervention is documented. But, where does it state that such occurs in every case?

Listen to what you just said...."the scientific knowledge we've gained". All that means is that we've discovered things that the Creator has known from the get-go. That fact that it's take at least two millenia to get to this point merely show just how limited man is and how UNLIMITED the Creator is.

[MCWAY]

Sin, eh? Have you been benching 405 at 235lbs as a natural again MCWAY?

That has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Nonetheless, there is no "again". When I did that, I weighed about 250 lb. I have not tried that at lighter bodyweight.

[Deicide]

Exactly where is the chapter and verse in which all natural phenomena is attributed to the intervention of deities? There are specific instances where supernatural intervention is documented. But, where does it state that such occurs in every case?

Listen to what you just said...."the scientific knowledge we've gained". All that means is that we've discovered things that the Creator has known from the get-go. That fact that it's take at least two millenia to get to this point merely show just how limited man is and how UNLIMITED the Creator is.

How tall are you MCWAY?

[dr.chimps]

This goes back to the post I made a few days ago, why is it that in our age of technology, live TV, the Internet, You tube, have no miracles ever been captured and presented to the public eye.  But back in the day when they only had a pen and a paper did soooooo many miracles by the holy ones occur and got recorded???

LOL. You mean the Essenes were using gel rollers and scratch pads!? 

[MCWAY]

How tall are you MCWAY?

The same height I was the last time you asked me that question, 5'9".

[MCWAY]

This goes back to the post I made a few days ago, why is it that in our age of technology, live TV, the Internet, You tube, have no miracles ever been captured and presented to the public eye.  But back in the day when they only had a pen and a paper did soooooo many miracles by the holy ones occur and got recorded???

Sooooooo many? The miracles documented in Scripture are actually few in number, in relation to the time span in which the Old and New Testaments were penned.

Besides, the only thing non-believers do is try to "explain away" what actually happened, even if the eyewitnesses involved give the details of the events and why they believe the miraculous has occured.

[dr.chimps]

Sooooooo many? The miracles documented in Scripture are actually few in number, in relation to the time span in which the Old and New Testaments were penned.

Besides, the only thing non-believers do is try to "explain away" what actually happened, even if the eyewitnesses involved give the details of the events and why they believe the miraculous has occured.

[Dreadlord]

The point that the bible/koran whatever were written/compiled by men. It didn't fall out of the sky or magically appear. During those times men would believe almost anything and were worshiping anything they didn't understand. Some things haven't changed since those times. The religious freaks would have everyone just have faith and not try to decipher whats going on in the world around them. A number of scientists in ancient times were persecuted because their "findings" clashed with the church's desire to keep men as dumb sheep. The had all the other religions at that time slowly killed off or integrated while trying to keep their mind control going.  Just because something isn't clear now doesn't mean it won't be sorted out later. Science is a gradual process involved in getting to the answers being testing each hypothesis for validity.It doesn't claim to be a be-all- know all entity. Science encourages questioning to get to the answers. Religion fears questioning while encouraging ignorance.

The church's viewpoint is - shut the frag up and don't ask questions. Do what we tell you because we know what the imaginary father figure wants us to do  .

I wonder why the religion boys need to visit a hospital when they get sick. Surely God can heal the faithful without human intervention.  The sad fact is that those who subscribe to religion need to have faith in something to prop up their weak psyche'. The fact that there is no father figure around to coddle them would be too much for them

[Dreadlord]

That's pretty good. The koran should have a disclaimer as well...along with whatever other "magic" books that are out there

[MCWAY]

Why don’t you ask all the teachers in our schools, why kids are acting a fool, not listening to authority, and committing acts of violence against fellow students and teachers and see where “reading the Bible” ranks on the scale.

While we're on the subject of "genocide", what exactly do our non-believing brethren suggest should be done with those who refuse to adopt their godless doctrine?

Of course, there still begs the question of what this grandiose goal is of certain "heathens" and why such can't be accomplished, without the abolition of religious belief.

[Deicide]

The same height I was the last time you asked me that question, 5'9".

5'9" 235lbs, benching 405...natural?

Do you think anyone believes those claims? (then again you are a Christian fundy, so maybe you have 'faith' in those stats...)

[The True Adonis]

As soon as you're born they make you feel small
By giving you no time instead of it all
Till the pain is so big you feel nothing at all

A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be

They hurt you at home and they hit you at school
They hate you if you're clever and they despise a fool
Till you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules

A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be

When they've tortured and scared you for twenty odd years
Then they expect you to pick a career
When you can't really function you're so full of fear

A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be

Keep you doped with religion and sex and TV
And you think you're so clever and class less and free
But you're still fucking peasants as far as I can see
A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be

There's room at the top they are telling you still
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
If you want to be like the folks on the hill

A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be

If you want to be a hero well just follow me
If you want to be a hero well just follow me