I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person.

[Decker]

  You're joking right?  Those are fake scammer organizations, like the writing/poetry equivalents, where you submit your name, which is then carefully considered from amongst a gezillion other worthy people, (and of course every one of the gezillion is selected for the honor) at no charge, except you have to cough over $500 to pay for the inclusion of your name in the finely bound, beautiful volume to commemorate your achievement.

It's like the Hollywood walk of fame.  I better watch what I say, Kennedy might have a star there as well.

The history of genius:  Da Vinci, Goethe, Einstein, Hawking and D. James Kennedy!

[Hustle Man]

Discuss.

You sir, are an idiot and severely mislead and in my words a buffoon! Even the lost individuals of GB have rebuked you! POOF, POOF begone with your non-sense FOOL!

Just another pimple faced idiot looking for attention; Mods delete this thread with tyrannical urgency!

[OTHstrong]

You sir, are an idiot and severely mislead and in my words a buffoon! Even the lost individuals of GB have rebuked you! POOF, POOF begone with your non-sense FOOL!

Just another pimple faced idiot looking for attention; Mods delete this thread with tyrannical urgency!

Well said HM

[MickyWinz]

I agree that religion without science is nothing.  If what we believe is true, then science should back it up.  The second law of thermodynamics, or the law of decay, basically proves that there has to be an infinite cause to the universe.  This law basically states that everything decays or goes from a state of order to an increasing state of chaos.  We can see this in everything around us including the earth.    Everything we know is finite.  If a finite cause is responsible for everything around us, then what caused it?  We can continue in this circular reasoning but at some point there had to be a cause that was outside space and time.  I believe that cause is God, but thats just this non-intelligent Christian's opinion!

[Deicide]

I agree that religion without science is nothing.  If what we believe is true, then science should back it up.  The second law of thermodynamics, or the law of decay, basically proves that there has to be an infinite cause to the universe.  This law basically states that everything decays or goes from a state of order to an increasing state of chaos.  We can see this in everything around us including the earth.    Everything we know is finite.  If a finite cause is responsible for everything around us, then what caused it?  We can go in the circular reasoning on and on and on, but at some point there had to be a cause that was outside space and time.  I believe that cause is God, but thats just this non-intellegent Christian's opinion!

Epic self-owning...

Here is the cause...

Kneel before the Lord of Lightning...

[Nordic Superman]

I agree that religion without science is nothing.  If what we believe is true, then science should back it up.  The second law of thermodynamics, or the law of decay, basically proves that there has to be an infinite cause to the universe.  This law basically states that everything decays or goes from a state of order to an increasing state of chaos.  We can see this in everything around us including the earth.    Everything we know is finite.  If a finite cause is responsible for everything around us, then what caused it?  We can go in the circular reasoning on and on and on, but at some point there had to be a cause that was outside space and time.  I believe that cause is God, but thats just this non-intellegent Christian's opinion!

How does it prove an "infinite cause" and please explain what you mean by "infinite cause".

I see hypocrisy here... You use the theories of physical science for one assertion, but then seem to ignore the fact that God would need infinite energy to exist, create the universe, be omnipresent, omnipotent etc. These aspects of God means the break down of what we know of physical science, he can time travel, keeps tabs on every atom in the universe etc.

Here's some circular reasoning for you: who created an infinite God, and who created that infinite God (iterate for infinity).

[MickyWinz]

That's what I was talking about, a cause not bound by time.  If the universe has a finite cause, then we at some point have to deny and/or contradict this 2nd law of thermodynamics.  There is some absolute truth out there and no one has all the answers.  If someone did, we wouldn't be having this conversation.  Any theory in this realm requires some sort of faith (the gap between what we know and the absolute truth).  I believe it takes a lot more 'faith' to believe that all of this randomly happened than to believe there could be an intelligent cause not bound by space and time.  What do you think caused all of this? 

[Nordic Superman]

That's what I was talking about, a cause not bound by time.  If the universe has a finite cause, then we at some point have to deny and/or contradict this 2nd law of thermodynamics.  There is some absolute truth out there and no one has all the answers.  If someone did, we wouldn't be having this conversation.  Any theory in this realm requires some sort of faith (the gap between what we know and the absolute truth).  I believe it takes a lot more 'faith' to believe that all of this randomly happened than to believe there could be an intelligent cause not bound by space and time.  What do you think caused all of this? 

Well I disagree with some of your points. Believing in a God is the easy way out to all the questions of life, science and much of philosophy - ignorance is bliss. I want to know exactly what is going on (to the best of my ability of course, I'm not a world renowned intellect after all) and why.

I actually believe in the attractive theory of absolute Darwinism. The actual (and abundant) theories for a instance point are all somewhat feasible (the mainstream ones atleast) but universe creation through Darwinism natural selection is what I think is likely - I must admit I believe this because it grabs my imagination and I'm an epic fan of C. Darwin.

Basically the process is that natural selection occurs for universes. A universe is created with a set of constants, depending on these constants controls the fundamental behaviour and life expectancy of said universe.

This theory assumes the universe implodes and explodes with new constants created at the instance point, these constants being passed on to "child" universes (with slight modifications [unconscious] due to the inert randomness of matter dispersing across the vast void of space) which are created when the parent universe implodes on itself.

For example, a universe with highly radically constants will implode in nano seconds, but the next universe that is formed from the radical universe's implosion might create more stable constants, and so on an so forth, maybe until the universe gets constants that create relative stability (i.e. this generation of the universe) which are suitable for life.

[calmus]

"God does not play dice." - Einstein on quantum theory.

You're taking that quote out of context. einstein was anything but a religious man.

[MickyWinz]

Thats all well and good, but what was the original parent universe?  This is the flaw with that logic.  This all had to start somewhere.  As far as survival of the fittest, I definitely believe in micro-evolution.  We see this all around us.  Species adapt, but I dont believe that species change into other species.  For example, why are apes still around if we are the product of their evolution?

[Nordic Superman]

Thats all well and good, but what was the original parent universe?  This is the flaw with that logic.  This all had to start somewhere.  As far as survival of the fittest, I definitely believe in micro-evolution.  We see this all around us.  Species adapt, but I dont believe that species change into other species.  For example, why are apes still around if we are the product of their evolution?

You're saying my assertion can't be true even though the same argument can be made for your assertion. Who made God? Who made that entity?

You have a major flaw in your interpretation of evolution through Darwinian natural selection. We are not the result of the evolution of Chimpanzees, Bonobos or Gorillas, they are not our genetic ancestors! They are however our cousins, we share a very recent (20 million years ago or less) ancestor.

So the process of evolution doesn't create speciation? What about fossil evidence, these organisms which lived millions of years ago, how and why did they get created? Who created them? Why was they destroyed?

Genetic evidence alone is enough to prove the process of evolution creates speciation.

[OTHstrong]

Thats all well and good, but what was the original parent universe?  This is the flaw with that logic.  This all had to start somewhere.  As far as survival of the fittest, I definitely believe in micro-evolution.  We see this all around us.  Species adapt, but I dont believe that species change into other species.  For example, why are apes still around if we are the product of their evolution?

Your wasting your time because thier answere to this is Macro= lots of micro, but me you both know that micro +micro one million times does not mean even one macro, and they can'y give even one observable example of a macro-E ever accusring, go figure.

[OTHstrong]

You're saying my assertion can't be true even though the same argument can be made for your assertion. Who made God? Who made that entity?

You have a major flaw in your interpretation of evolution through Darwinian natural selection. We are not the result of the evolution of Chimpanzees, Bonobos or Gorillas, they are not our genetic ancestors! They are however our cousins, we share a very recent (20 million years ago or less) ancestor.

So the process of evolution doesn't create speciation? What about fossil evidence, these organisms which lived millions of years ago, how and why did they get created? Who created them? Why was they destroyed?
Genetic evidence alone is enough to prove the process of evolution creates speciation.

This is easy to answere. They did not live millions of years ago, they live pre-flood world where our earths atmosphere had stronger oxygen present. God created them. They were destroyed in the flood and discontinued at the flood, this includes dinosaurs. Any more question you want answered?

[Deicide]

This is easy to answere. They did not live millions of years ago, they live pre-flood world where our earths atmosphere had stronger oxygen present. God created them. They were destroyed in the flood and discontinued at the flood, this includes dinosaurs. Any more question you want answered?

 

[Nordic Superman]

This is easy to answere. They did not live millions of years ago, they live pre-flood world where our earths atmosphere had stronger oxygen present. God created them. They were destroyed in the flood and discontinued at the flood, this includes dinosaurs. Any more question you want answered?

The great flood in which Noah built the ark? So you're saying dinosaurs and humans coexisted?

[OTHstrong]

The great flood in which Noah built the ark? So you're saying dinosaurs and humans coexisted?

Why not?

[Nordic Superman]

Why not?

Because that's simply not true.

Dinosaur fossils are found in rocks which accurate carbon and other atomic dating methods prove existed >= 65 million years ago.

Noah's ark according to biblical records was less than 6000 years ago.

[Tapeworm]

As I've said before, God put those fossils there in order to fool you into believeing in evolution so that he could send you to hell even though he loves you.  Why is this so hard to understand?

[Nordic Superman]

As I've said before, God put those fossils there in order to fool you into believeing in evolution so that he could send you to hell even though he loves you.  Why is this so hard to understand?

Oh, never thought about it like that, I think you're right.

[Deicide]

Oh, never thought about it like that, I think you're right.

Hahaha...

[MickyWinz]

I'm saying there is an intelligent being outside of space and time that I believe to be God.  You are saying that there was a planet outside of space and time that started correcting itself by trial and error.  We are just putting our 'faith' in two different things.  I just think your stance takes alot more 'faith' than mine. 

[OTHstrong]

As I've said before, God put those fossils there in order to fool you into believeing in evolution so that he could send you to hell even though he loves you.  Why is this so hard to understand?

No one is saying this.

Because that's simply not true.

Dinosaur fossils are found in rocks which accurate carbon and other atomic dating methods prove existed >= 65 million years ago.

Noah's ark according to biblical records was less than 6000 years ago.

Its not true because some science tags a date on it in the millions, carbon dating? sorry bro they don't use thois method on dinosaurs, they only use geolical column made by man, and everyone knows that dating methods aren't accurate. Bottom line is we lived with dinosaurs and the only reason you find this silly is because you have been taght differently since kindergarden.

[Deicide]

I'm saying there is an intelligent being outside of space and time that I believe to be God.  You are saying that there was a planet outside of space and time that started correcting itself by trial and error.  We are just putting our 'faith' in two different things.  I just think your stance takes alot more 'faith' than mine. 

How about: no one knows...which would be the most accurate statement of all.

[webcake]

I believe in extraterrestrial life...

[Deicide]

I believe in extraterrestrial life...

Because you are extraterrestrial life...