Why won't True Adonis answer if he has taken ephedrine or ephedra?

[mwbbuilder]

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[The True Adonis]

Already answered.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=230543.msg3246944#msg3246944

[QuakerOats]

ephedra does absolutely NOTHING in regards to raising testosterone levels so it can be considered a "clean" substance as far as bodybuilding goes.

[mwbbuilder]

Did you know that the supplement companies spike sythetic ephedrine in Mau Huang to insure its potenacy?

The herb is so unpredictable is why they do this.

You know that you have used "legal speed" don't you?

Did you do your 225 deadlits for 1,000 reps strung out on speed?

Did you get lean for your 2nd place finish strung out of speed?

Did the mental edge you got being on legal speed give you the confidence to life more weight and build more muscle?

Do you rationalize not being a speed user because you didn't know how Mau Huang was really manufactured?

the important question is do you consider yourself a lifetime drug free person even after you've used legal speed?

How do you rationalize your usage and judge others?

I'm just curious form a Physiological  perspective how you can justify your usage and be so judgmental of others?

Is it because you were IGNORANT to what you were ingesting?

[mwbbuilder]

ephedra does absolutely NOTHING in regards to raising testosterone levels so it can be considered a "clean" substance as far as bodybuilding goes.

That's your opinion. It can get you lean for a second place finish in the Mr. Getbig contest and claim you are a lifetime "natural". You can lift more weight and stay more focused in the gym to life more weight.

[240 is Back]

ephedra does absolutely NOTHING in regards to raising testosterone levels so it can be considered a "clean" substance as far as bodybuilding goes.

does clen raise t levels?

[Nordic Beast]

ephedra is nothing like steroids or prohormones-----its just a stimulant


only the jealous Adonis stalkers would make anything out of this

[QuakerOats]

That's your opinion. It can get you lean for a second place finish in the Mr. Getbig contest and claim you are a lifetime "natural". You can lift more weight and stay more focused in the gym to life more weight.

you can the same thing about caffiene or any of the other pre workout formulas on the market.

[Moosejay]

I loved doing ephedrine.

I used it for years.

In the early nineties, it came in white and red bottles, called, 'Dymetradine', I think.

Mmm,mmm. great stufff!

Can still get it in gas stations and truck stops.

[mazrim]

Ephedrine put me to sleep/gave extreme lethargy within a half hour for some reason.

[mwbbuilder]

Epedra IS ma huang, by the way.

The products in this "natural speed category" are mostly Ephedra based. Ephedra (ma huang) contains ephedrine and pseudo-ephedrine. These ephedra-alkaloids are chemically close to amphetamine (speed) and meth-amphetamine (ice, crystal). Warning! The herbal speed products in this section should not be used when taking MAO-inhibitors, anti-depressants or ephedrine containing prescription drugs. Persons with a heart condition, high blood pressure, diabetes a prostate disorder or Phenylketonurica should not take ephedra or ephedrine... Do not combine these herbal energizers with heavy physical exercise. See also ephedra foliage and ephedra powder ( 0108 and 0109 ) in the Psychoactive Herbs section.

Hey, I don't have a problem with his drug use.

He's the "holier than thou" person who is justifying HIS drug use and judging others.

[mwbbuilder]

Epedrine and ephedrine

1. Are effective at helping you train harder in the gym

2. Help you shed body fat

3. Is illegal to buy now in the U.S. - past legality is no excuse according to TA

4. Banned by natural organization


Would someone who used ephedrine or ephedra to help them build their bodies be considered:

1. lifetime drug free

2. Clean

[IFBBwannaB]

ephedra does absolutely NOTHING in regards to raising testosterone levels so it can be considered a "clean" substance as far as bodybuilding goes.

All Steroids beside Test with various esters cause Test levels to drop. Also T3, GH, IGF and more don't effect Test but are still on the same list.

This is why the whole natural claims are bullshit, its mostly just a matter of point of view and nothing more, Bob actually explained it really well a couple of months ago.

[240 is Back]

I loved doing ephedrine.
I used it for years.
In the early nineties, it came in white and red bottles, called, 'Dymetradine', I think.
Mmm,mmm. great stufff!
Can still get it in gas stations and truck stops.

Do you think the heavy ephedrine use has in any way contributed to the heart ailments which now prevent you from ever lifting weights again, at 44?

I'm scared of ephedrine.  Used ECA a few times, and got lean VERY quick, but the skippy heartbeat awas enough to scare me away.  I got an EKg and checkup just to be safe, and was fine.  But I can imagine years of elevated blood pressure (along with AAS use in your case) could damage the ol' ticker.

[The Coach]

Ephedrine put me to sleep/gave extreme lethargy within a half hour for some reason.

Adrenal Fatigue. Also can cause and instability of insulin not regulating correctly.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Did you know that the supplement companies spike sythetic ephedrine in Mau Huang to insure its potenacy?

The herb is so unpredictable is why they do this.

You know that you have used "legal speed" don't you?

Did you do your 225 deadlits for 1,000 reps strung out on speed?

Did you get lean for your 2nd place finish strung out of speed?

Did the mental edge you got being on legal speed give you the confidence to life more weight and build more muscle?

Do you rationalize not being a speed user because you didn't know how Mau Huang was really manufactured?

the important question is do you consider yourself a lifetime drug free person even after you've used legal speed?

How do you rationalize your usage and judge others?

I'm just curious form a Physiological  perspective how you can justify your usage and be so judgmental of others?

Is it because you were IGNORANT to what you were ingesting?

You babbling idiot.  Adonis just said that he used the ephedra in its herbal form which has ben growing from the ground longer than the existence of human beings on this planet.  I think after 5,000 years of use by the Chinese, its obviously safe for use

To imply it being in comparison to speed or meth is a clear example of your ignorant thinking and your brain's failure to comprehend the reading of text on a computer screen.

[doozejooze]

Clenbuterol does not raise T levels. It is a Beta 2 adrenergic agonist and as such (Like ephedra) will stimulate cardiac and skeletal muscle to behave as if under the influence of adrenaline.  Racing heart, increased blood pressure, widening of the pupil to accomodate far vision, and tightening of sphincter muscles. Fight or Flight baby.

[Moosejay]

Do you think the heavy ephedrine use has in any way contributed to the heart ailments which now prevent you from ever lifting weights again, at 44?

I am very honest with my docs...they say "no". Either way, I'd never ever touch it again.

I'm scared of ephedrine.  Used ECA a few times, and got lean VERY quick, but the skippy heartbeat awas enough to scare me away.  I got an EKg and checkup just to be safe, and was fine.  But I can imagine years of elevated blood pressure (along with AAS use in your case) could damage the ol' ticker.

Yes. Very true.

[Moosejay]

Epedrine and ephedrine

1. Are effective at helping you train harder in the gym

2. Help you shed body fat

3. Is illegal to buy now in the U.S. - past legality is no excuse according to TA

Incorrect.

You CAN buy ephedirne legally. However, you cannot buy a 'weight loss preparation' legally that contains ephedrine

4. Banned by natural organization


Would someone who used ephedrine or ephedra to help them build their bodies be considered:

1. lifetime drug free

2. Clean

[mwbbuilder]

You babbling idiot.  Adonis just said that he used the ephedra in its herbal form which has ben growing from the ground longer than the existence of human beings on this planet.  I think after 5,000 years of use by the Chinese, its obviously safe for use

To imply it being in comparison to speed or meth is a clear example of your ignorant thinking and your brain's failure to comprehend the reading of text on a computer screen.

I don't have to tell you how ignorant you are. You do that just fine all by yourself.

This is what I stated in my origianl post:

Epedra is a plant (as you know). The potency of this plant is extremely inconsistent. None of the supplement comnpanies in the past were willing to produce/sell such an unreliable/inconsistent product.

Perfectly legal ephedrine was commonly used with Ephedra to regulate its potency and produce a better product.

[The Coach]

I don't have to tell you how ignorant you are. You do that just fine all by yourself.This is what I stated in my origianl post:

Epedra is a plant (as you know). The potency of this plant is extremely inconsistent. None of the supplement comnpanies in the past were willing to produce/sell such an unreliable/inconsistent product.

Perfectly legal ephedrine was commonly used with Ephedra to regulate its potency and produce a better product.

Aaahhh, I wrote about it ALONG time ago and did several articles on it that were puiblished, got alot of good reponses from it some of which were Dr's that totally agreed.

[mwbbuilder]

Aaahhh, I wrote about it ALONG time ago and did several articles on it that were puiblished, got alot of good reponses from it some of which were Dr's that totally agreed.

On the ephedra point or that first line?

[The Coach]

On the ephedra point or that first line?

The adrenal fatigue and it's causes.

[Camel Jockey]

I like Bronkaid's boost, but it makes my heart feel weird, so I don't touch it. I just like caffine from teas, and diet Pepsi max. 

My semester is starting soon so I'll be drinking my usual 2 cups of coffee a day.

[MAXX]

it's a fucking stimulant just like coffee.....