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I grew up on shows like the A-team and Nightrider Knight Rider :D

The Dutch subtitle everything, great for learning.

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Originellement on a dit: homo homini lupus.

Habituellement les parleurs des langues romaines différentes prêtent moins d'attention aux petites et subtiles différences dans la grammaire entre elles. Les gens espagnols supposent souvent que les règles pour le français sont identiques et les français font la même chose avec l'espagnol. La pensée analogique est une bonne chose mais ce peut être un piège aussi bien. Puisque ma langue maternelle est une langue germanique que je suis beaucoup plus prudent au sujet des analogies grammaticales parfaites dans des langues françaises et relatives. D'ailleurs notre ami de lupine ici est portugais.

C'est vrai. Les petites differences existant dans les grammatiques latines sont tres importants et parfois ces differences sont obliés!
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C'est vrai. Les petites differences existant dans les grammatiques latines sont tres importants et parfois ces differences sont obliés!

"oubliées", "différences", "qui existent", "importantes", "très", etc  ;D ;D

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m8 is a great french stud, id love to learn french good. great language.

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m8 is a great french stud, id love to learn french good. great language.

don't underestimate yourself you big dutch hunk

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all books i read are in english, forcing myself to learn a new word everyday.

English is a very rich language.

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English is a very rich language.

Rich like chocolate.
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Others should judge my English abilities, but I can tell you what I do anyway :-). My strategy has always been to never read English literature translated to Norwegian. I read a lot of fiction and most of it is in English. I also read a lot of research papers and books related to my profession in English. Further, most Norwegians are able to express themselves somewhat comprehensibly in English because English is taught from first grade in primary school and onwards. Hollywood movies and TV-series are also not dubbed to Norwegian, so we get to hear a lot of English.  I believe this is one of the reasons the Spanish/French/German/Italians ofte struggle more with English. They get to see movie stars like Sylvester Stallone speak in their native language and thus hear less English.

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what is with all the fucking noweigans on getbig? theres only like 5 million people in norway.

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maybe they like bodybuilding there?

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English is a very rich language.

A trenchant analysis if ever I've heard one.  ;)

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m8 is a great french stud, id love to learn french good. great language.
C'est vrai. Et les femmes françaises ont un cul étroit.
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English is a very rich language.
Its not my opinion. Many exparts say English is the most simple language, in other word,poorest.
Why? It used to be rich(complicated with more expressions) language but it became poor(simple) with its expanding territory.
So minor language has tendency of more complicated and richer than mejor language.
I heard Mandarin is also very simple and poor.
Spanish is also poor due to the history of having lots of colony all over the world.

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i dont recall you welcoming me Kyomo, ehh?

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Its not my opinion. Many exparts say English is the most simple language, in other word,poorest.
Why? It used to be rich(complicated with more expressions) language but it became poor(simple) with its expanding territory.
So minor language has tendency of more complicated and richer than mejor language.
I heard Mandarin is also very simple and poor.
Spanish is also poor due to the history of having lots of colony all over the world.
i dont think 'simple' is a good way to describe english, maybe not the most 'rich', definitly not simple to learn, even as a first language, it takes kids considerably longer to get down the basics of english than with most other languages.

is japanese rich in your oppinion, kyomu?  if not, what do you feel is?

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"oubliées", "différences", "qui existent", "importantes", "très", etc  ;D ;D

Ça n'est pas 100% vrai.

EXISTANT - (stock) existant en Grèce ; (les prix) existant dans ...  ; obligation existant physiquement et cotée en bourse, etc, etc.

 ;)

Est-ce que tu sais écrire et parler Allemand et Portugais?   :P        

                    

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i dont think 'simple' is a good way to describe english, maybe not the most 'rich', definitly not simple to learn, even as a first language, it takes kids considerably longer to get down the basics of english than with most other languages.

is japanese rich in your oppinion, kyomu?  if not, what do you feel is?
Comparing with English way more richer. Its not my opinon eighter. The japanese has many expression which cant be explained grammaticaly.
I used to teach japanese in here(Barcelona) and I had really hard time to explain to my pupils. When it comes to Kanji....Forget about it.
If you think that its not fair, ask it to DonkeyKong.

Oh..For ex, Only "I", we have more than 5 "I"s.

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i dont think 'simple' is a good way to describe english, maybe not the most 'rich', definitly not simple to learn, even as a first language, it takes kids longer to get down the basics of english than with most pther languages.

That's not true at all. Compared to Dutch and German for example, English contains by far the least grammatical rules.



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That's not true at all. Compared to Dutch and German for example, English contains by far the least grammatical rules.



Right.

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i can assure you there is no general culture of latinity over here

and the borrowing in our language is minimal

Dutch is heavily laden with Latin borrowings, many of which came into the language through French.

This is particulary true during the Middle Dutch period (1150-1500)

http://s2.ned.univie.ac.at/Publicaties/taalgeschiedenis/en/mnllateinfl.htm

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However, the influence of Latin on vernacular languages was quite strong. In the Netherlands words were borrowed even before 1150, still in the Old Dutch period, from classical Latin (especially for physical objects and the new Christian religion), and from vulgar Latin, influenced by Celtic languages, or Old French (especially for physical objects and emotions).

This means that in Middle Dutch we meet words like strate (< "via strata" ["street"]), wal (< "vallum" ["wall"]), wijn (< "vinum" ["wine"]) of munte (< "moneta" ["coin, money"]). These expressions for things acquired from Roman civilisation were borrowed from Latin at an early stage (4th/5th century).

Alongside direct borrowings from Latin or French, Dutch also introduced loan translations ("omni-potens" > al-machtig ["almighty"]), and there are also instances of semantic extension (dopen for "to baptise", originally just "immerse") or replacement of a native word by a loan word (camp < Latin "campus" instead of wijch ["camp, settlement"]).

From the 12th century onwards the influence of Old and Middle French on vocabulary was especially strong, particularly in border regions, trade centres and aristocratic circles (as is testified by 13th century texts with large numbers of French loan words).

Both influences, French and Latin, are in any case present before the beginning of written sources, so that it is often now impossible to establish whether a word, at the time of its borrowing, was still Vulgar Latin or the newly developed Old French, and exactly when the borrowing occurred.

Sometimes it is possible, with the help of the sound laws and analysis of the accent or spelling, to track down the time of borrowing: the word "altare" in Middle Dutch is (amongst other forms) also found as outaer - it had clearly already been taken from Latin in the Old Dutch period as it has taken part in the development alt > olt > out.

Latin also had an influence on the grammar of the language, particularly the infinitive.

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Infinitive constructions
Infinitive constructions can still be found in modern Dutch. Sentences such as "Ik zag haar lopen" ["I saw her walk"] are still normal.

The construction termed accusativus cum infinitivo (ACI: "accusative and infinitive") only occurs now with verbs of sensory perception (eg zien, horen, voelen ["see, hear, feel"]). In earlier phases of Dutch it could also be found with non-sensory verbs (eg menen, zeggen ["think, say"]). For the latter modern Dutch uses "dat"-sentences.

[6] Bovendien soo getuygen gheleerde Theologanten, midtsgaders de geestelijcke rechten, oock mede eenighe oude Rabbijnen sulcx inder waerheydt te geschieden.
Modern Dutch: Bovendien getuigen geleerde theologen, evenals de kerkelijke rechten en ook sommige oude rabbijnen dat dat werkelijk gebeurt.
Another form is the accusativus cum adjectivo (ACA: "accusative and adjective"), which occurs when an ACI is constructed with the help of a copulative "zijn" and an adjective. The infinitive "zijn" is usually omitted here, leaving only an accusative noun and an adjective.

[7] Yck verseecker u wijff in seven daegen levent off doot.
Modern Dutch: Ik garandeer dat uw vrouw binnen een week levend of dood is.
The third construction is the nominativus cum infinitivo (NCI: "nominative and infinitive"). In this case an infinitive construction which refers to the subject of the main clause is used instead of a relative clause. If it is turned back into a construction with main clause + subordinate clause, the subject of the main clause becomes the subject of the subordinate clause whilst the main clause is made impersonal.
[8] Daer over hy dan geoordeelt wert de doot weerdig te syn.
Modern Dutch: Daarom oordeelde men dus dat hij de doodstraf verdiende.
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That's not true at all. Compared to Dutch and German for example, English contains by far the least grammatical rules.




That depends on how you look at it. English has verb aspect (progressive tenses, etc.) whereas these at least officially don't exist in German or Dutch. The aspect of a verb is bound by the grammatical rules ascribed to it.
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That's not true at all. Compared to Dutch and German for example, English contains by far the least grammatical rules.



english verb conjugation is one of the easiest of all euro languages.
when it comes to spelling english is the most difficult of all european languages.
 english has been augmented by the romans with strong latin roots, viking, norman french, words from all the areas colonized by the British, and slang words from all the myriad cultures which have evolved their own specific terms. one word can have several meanings and applied in a different structure, in a sentence. the fact that english doesnt neccesarily have the most/straightforward rules can be one of the reasons its confusing/difficult to learn. i could go on, but anyway.  it's not a simple language, that was my only point.

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Comparing with English way more richer. Its not my opinon eighter. The japanese has many expression which cant be explained grammaticaly.
I used to teach japanese in here(Barcelona) and I had really hard time to explain to my pupils. When it comes to Kanji....Forget about it.
If you think that its not fair, ask it to DonkeyKong.

Oh..For ex, Only "I", we have more than 5 "I"s.

Simple English is easy, a perfect near native mastery of English is difficult.
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Comparing with English way more richer. Its not my opinon eighter. The japanese has many expression which cant be explained grammaticaly.
I used to teach japanese in here(Barcelona) and I had really hard time to explain to my pupils. When it comes to Kanji....Forget about it.
If you think that its not fair, ask it to DonkeyKong.

Oh..For ex, Only "I", we have more than 5 "I"s.
wrong,
i eye aye ;D

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In this video Borat tells where he learnt such a good English!!  ;D ;D