About to get a personal handgun - suggestions?

[www.BrinkZone.com]

Roger that, if you have the opportunity to train with a former CAG member...you take it.

Damn straight! Jeff G is a well respected former NSW man. Vickers is former CAG, and I hope to take a course some day with either Vickers or Howe after I take the Jeff G course next month.

If the dept I'm trying to get on to allowed 1911's I would certainly invest in a Vickers custom.

If you could get one! I don't think that's at all an easy thing to do...

[benchmstr]

I do know of Paul Howe, don't know  Paul Rowe, sorry. If he's a sniper trainer, really not my area of interest/focus, so I probably will not have heard of him.

he isnt a sniper trainer, he is a blackwater trainer for cqb but he recently just started the sniper training back up.

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[benchmstr]

I have not trained with Mr Howe, so I don't know the answer there sorry.  By all accounts, Howe is top shelf and I would be happy to take a course from him any time.

brink bro i am sorry i meant Howe not Rowe, and triple canopy not blackwater. his csat class is what i used to become swat certified.I have also taken his tactical entry shotgun class taught by him himself a couple of months ago (not just someone with his company)

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[laurion]

.22's are the best for ccw

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brink bro i am sorry i meant Howe not Rowe, and triple canopy not blackwater. his csat class is what i used to become swat certified.I have also taken his tactical entry shotgun class taught by him himself a couple of months ago (not just someone with his company)

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Ah, so it was Howe. Cool. My personal interest would be in combative/tactical handgun being a civi, and perhaps a carbine course just for the fun of it. As an adjunct trainer for S&W (see my OptimalSWAT.com site for more info on that), I should be able to take some of their courses, and I am taking the Jeff G course at Sig Academy next month. Fun fun! 

[www.BrinkZone.com]

.22's are the best for ccw

Excellent response! 

[Cap]

Damn straight! Jeff G is a well respected former NSW man. Vickers is former CAG, and I hope to take a course some day with either Vickers or Howe after I take the Jeff G course next month.

If you could get one! I don't think that's at all an easy thing to do...

I would travel to Nagadoches to train with Mr. Howe. 

I hear that.  The dept I want allows Sigs, HK USP, Beretta and S&W.  They're all good guns but being familiar with a Glock makes it a harder transition, at least from working without a safety to using one.  I'm just not used to it.

There are some good shooting schools here but certainly not run by ex-CAG guys.

[benchmstr]

I would travel to Nagadoches to train with Mr. Howe. 

I hear that.  The dept I want allows Sigs, HK USP, Beretta and S&W.  They're all good guns but being familiar with a Glock makes it a harder transition, at least from working without a safety to using one.  I'm just not used to it.

There are some good shooting schools here but certainly not run by ex-CAG guys.

i highly recomend it for any person with a serious interest in the art, i have taken a lot of classes and his were the best. the tactical shotgun was a lot of classroom but at the end i felt i had learned alot.

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[benchmstr]

Ah, so it was Howe. Cool. My personal interest would be in combative/tactical handgun being a civi, and perhaps a carbine course just for the fun of it. As an adjunct trainer for S&W (see my OptimalSWAT.com site for more info on that), I should be able to take some of their courses, and I am taking the Jeff G course at Sig Academy next month. Fun fun! 

part of getting my swat cert was taking his handgun and carbine class, i loved it except for the part were one of his instuctors tried to make change my shooting stance, only to have howe tell me to go back to the way i was doing it before

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[laurion]

Excellent response! 

lol 

[benchmstr]

I would travel to Nagadoches to train with Mr. Howe. 

I hear that.  The dept I want allows Sigs, HK USP, Beretta and S&W.  They're all good guns but being familiar with a Glock makes it a harder transition, at least from working without a safety to using one.  I'm just not used to it.

There are some good shooting schools here but certainly not run by ex-CAG guys.

cap i have a serious question for you. when are you going to stop bullshitting yourself and become a Texan?

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[Cap]

cap i have a serious question for you. when are you going to stop bullshitting yourself and become a Texan?

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Is it the gun posts or my love for chewing tobacco?  Actually, once I get on the PD out here I plan to keep my options open and TX is the top of my list?

[MRDUMPLING]

Ok guys, so what is the real difference between a Glock and HK?  I prefer the Glock 23 (.40 cal midsize model)  I know the HKs are very similar in design, but what are the pros and cons for the two? 

I'm asking because I'm in the market for one. 

[www.BrinkZone.com]

Ok guys, so what is the real difference between a Glock and HK?  I prefer the Glock 23 (.40 cal midsize model)  I know the HKs are very similar in design, but what are the pros and cons for the two? 

I'm asking because I'm in the market for one. 

One could list pro's and cons of either, but both are well made guns. You would really need to shoot/handle an HK product to decide for yourself if you like them. As a rule, HK is considered a higher end product than Glocks, and as a general rule, they cost more too. The HK USP .45 is considered one of the best fighting pistols ever built, but there other offerings tend to be hit or miss depending on model and caliber.

[Permabulker]

Hands down a potatoe gun.  And the ammo is CHEAP!!!

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So did this guy get his gun yet or what?

[Cap]

Ok guys, so what is the real difference between a Glock and HK?  I prefer the Glock 23 (.40 cal midsize model)  I know the HKs are very similar in design, but what are the pros and cons for the two? 

I'm asking because I'm in the market for one. 

Pros HK: Can abuse it and can still shoot, reputable company, has an external safety (if kids or you are an issue), SA firing

Pros Glock: Cheaper than HK, easy to shoot (point and shoot), can put many rounds through (thousands)


Cons HK: Cost (first and foremost), if you're not used to drawing and taking weapon off safe you will have to learn, wider grip (if you have small hands)

Cons Glock: DA firing, no external safety


Like Brink said, both are good guns it's really a matter of preference.  Glock is pretty much a no-brainer gun.

Remember though, the 1911 was killing Germans in Normandy before Gaston Glock was even born. 

[benchmstr]

Pros HK: Can abuse it and can still shoot, reputable company, has an external safety (if kids or you are an issue), SA firing

Pros Glock: Cheaper than HK, easy to shoot (point and shoot), can put many rounds through (thousands)


Cons HK: Cost (first and foremost), if you're not used to drawing and taking weapon off safe you will have to learn, wider grip (if you have small hands)

Cons Glock: DA firing, no external safety


Like Brink said, both are good guns it's really a matter of preference.  Glock is pretty much a no-brainer gun.

Remember though, the 1911 was killing Germans in Normandy before Gaston Glock was even born. 

you hit the nail on the head with this post. my H&K has never failed me in the streets or sandbox.

but H&K is not for everyone, i personly think the sights sit too high from your natural grip point. I  have never really bothered with the matter because i do not use the sights, but for someone asking about buying a first handgun i am still going with a glock 23 (40cal).

and remember everyone hates a glock until they shoot a glock. i know i did,its only natural.

the H&K also has big grips so it may not be comfortable for allot of folks.

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[benchmstr]

One could list pro's and cons of either, but both are well made guns. You would really need to shoot/handle an HK product to decide for yourself if you like them. As a rule, HK is considered a higher end product than Glocks, and as a general rule, they cost more too. The HK USP .45 is considered one of the best fighting pistols ever built, but there other offerings tend to be hit or miss depending on model and caliber.

to me, through my personal experience there isn't another combat handgun. I will be honest in the fact that i am totally biased on the subject also, but for good reason. My H&K has saved my life several times and has never skipped a beat, it has always taken whatever i could throw at it.

my only real bitch about the H&K is the aftermarket!!!!!

what i wouldn't give for a suitable light bearing level 3 holster, or hell even a decent light set up.

this is were the glocks and the 1911's shine, you can get anything your imagination could dream of for the damn things. its like owning a jeep, your not gonna do or get anything that hasn't been done before. The possibility's are endless.


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[Cap]

From what I hear, the CAG guys swear by their H&K Mark 23's.

I have the option to carry a Sig, HK or Beretta (standard issue) and I think I'm gonna go with H&K, despite the price.  Quality trumps price when your life is on the line.

[benchmstr]

From what I hear, the CAG guys swear by their H&K Mark 23's.

I have the option to carry a Sig, HK or Beretta (standard issue) and I think I'm gonna go with H&K, despite the price.  Quality trumps price when your life is on the line.

they swear by the reliability, and swear at the grip size

like i said i am very biased but if you feel the H&K is comfortable get it, you will never have to by another handgun again unless your like me and have successfully filled up damn near every room in your house with firearms because you cant leave shit alone, or you cant pass up a good deal.

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[MRDUMPLING]

Pros HK: Can abuse it and can still shoot, reputable company, has an external safety (if kids or you are an issue), SA firing

Pros Glock: Cheaper than HK, easy to shoot (point and shoot), can put many rounds through (thousands)


Cons HK: Cost (first and foremost), if you're not used to drawing and taking weapon off safe you will have to learn, wider grip (if you have small hands)

Cons Glock: DA firing, no external safety


Like Brink said, both are good guns it's really a matter of preference.  Glock is pretty much a no-brainer gun.

Remember though, the 1911 was killing Germans in Normandy before Gaston Glock was even born. 

Thanks...I have shot a Glock many times and absolutely love it.  I just want something fun and reliable to shoot; which is why I will probably buy the Glock.

 I would like to take classes at my local gun shop, but I have no idea what to look for in an instructor.  Is there anything in particular to look for?  I know you guys have listed several combat shooters, but I don't think those are in my area.  Also, what about competitive shooting?

[Eyeball Chambers]

I've wanted an HK 4 for a while, just to play with.

This meant that the pistol could accommodate 4 different calibers by a simple replacement of the barrel, return spring, and the magazine. The four calibers that the pistol could use are: the rimfire .22 LR (5.6 Long Rifle) round; .25 ACP (6.35x16mmSR); .32 ACP (7.65x17mm Browning SR); .380 ACP (9x17mm Short)

[benchmstr]

I've wanted an HK 4 for a while, just to play with.

i didnt know H&K made anything that ugly

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[Eyeball Chambers]

i didnt know H&K made anything that ugly

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