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Obama On "Community Service"
« on: September 11, 2008, 06:09:38 PM »
I'm getting the impression that if Obama becomes president the government's going to be expecting us to do alot of stuff for ourselves.  He was praising the way many smaller and he said even "medium-sized" cities are being served exclusively by volunteer fire departments.  He kept talking about all of these "community service opportunities" that he has envisioned for the country.  Doesn't he realize that "community service" is also a known punishment to criminals around these parts?   :D

I just don't know how many people are actually gonna want that.  Am I interpretting this right?   ??? 

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Re: Obama On "Community Service"
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2008, 06:13:45 PM »
don't listen to that porch monkey.

Are you saying that you will not find this song on your workout playlist, "Power Rod?"   ???


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Re: Obama On "Community Service"
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2008, 06:16:46 PM »
Are you saying that you will not find this song on your workout playlist, "Power Rod?"   ???



most likely not, "mcfarland".
more likely something like this:


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Re: Obama On "Community Service"
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2008, 06:19:08 PM »
Hate to say it Jeff, but you are pretty stupid in this area.

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Re: Obama On "Community Service"
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2008, 06:19:34 PM »
Be ready to have money taken away from you and "redistrubuted" to "poor" communities.

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Re: Obama On "Community Service"
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2008, 06:19:45 PM »
I'm getting the impression that if Obama becomes president the government's going to be expecting us to do alot of stuff for ourselves.  He was praising the way many smaller and he said even "medium-sized" cities are being served exclusively by volunteer fire departments.  He kept talking about all of these "community service opportunities" that he has envisioned for the country.  Doesn't he realize that "community service" is also a known punishment to criminals around these parts?   :D

I just don't know how many people are actually gonna want that.  Am I interpretting this right?   ??? 

Obama's people arn't into community service, more like the community servicing them, allah free healthcare and free place to stay, free food, you get the point :)
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Re: Obama On "Community Service"
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2008, 06:23:15 PM »
Be ready to have money taken away from you and "redistrubuted" to "poor" communities.
Wrong. Mccain`s tax plan is worse. Under Obama 95 percent of Americans will get a tax break.

www.obamataxcut.com

You can enter your income and compare.

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Re: Obama On "Community Service"
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2008, 06:24:18 PM »
He really ignores the working class in the Democratic Party.

You can't assume every Dem is a college student on the 10 year plan.




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Re: Obama On "Community Service"
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2008, 06:26:21 PM »
I'm getting the impression that if Obama becomes president the government's going to be expecting us to do alot of stuff for ourselves.  He was praising the way many smaller and he said even "medium-sized" cities are being served exclusively by volunteer fire departments.  He kept talking about all of these "community service opportunities" that he has envisioned for the country.  Doesn't he realize that "community service" is also a known punishment to criminals around these parts?   :D

I just don't know how many people are actually gonna want that.  Am I interpretting this right?   ??? 
You are not interpreting anything correctly here.  Do you know the difference between mandatory and volunteer?

Every single police force is volunteer.  Every single Fire Department is volunteer.  What Obama is proposing, is anyone who wants to do 2 years of this type of work is elegible for their College being paid for.


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Re: Obama On "Community Service"
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2008, 06:26:21 PM »
Obama's people arn't into community service, more like the community servicing them, allah free healthcare and free place to stay, free food, you get the point :)

Right but that stuff would essentially be coming from putting people to work for free, right?  For example, by stopping pay for firefighters and homeless shelter employees they would fund the healthcare more?  It sounds basically like he's gonna put the people to work for free who would be relying on those services in the first place.  Because very few with the ability to make significant money is gonna work for free, IMO.         

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Re: Obama On "Community Service"
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2008, 06:28:23 PM »
relying on community service or volunteerism is bullshit, the rich elitist feed the middle class all that sentimentality, often through Hollywood, so that the middle class do all the work for free and take care of the poor while they laugh all the way to the bank, its bullshit...they should get PAID.

its like a buddy of mine works for FOX and he was all happy to comply with their request for recycling and "caring" about the environment...its bullshit...large corporations cause so much goddamn pollution, and to put it on the backs of some small office workers is total bullshit.

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Re: Obama On "Community Service"
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2008, 06:29:04 PM »
Wrong. Mccain`s tax plan is worse. Under Obama 95 percent of Americans will get a tax break.

www.obamataxplan.com

You can enter your income and compare.


Good info, unfortunately our income combined, we fall in that 5%...

I was refereing to "social programs" more than income tax thought...

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Re: Obama On "Community Service"
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2008, 06:30:17 PM »
You are not interpreting anything correctly here.  Do you know the difference between mandatory and volunteer?

Every single police force is volunteer.  Every single Fire Department is volunteer.  What Obama is proposing, is anyone who wants to do 2 years of this type of work is elegible for their College being paid for.



Ah.  Interesting.  I'm just now getting into this Adam. 

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Re: Obama On "Community Service"
« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2008, 06:30:23 PM »
Right but that stuff would essentially be coming from putting people to work for free, right?  For example, by stopping pay for firefighters and homeless shelter employees they would fund the healthcare more?  It sounds basically like he's gonna put the people to work for free who would be relying on those services in the first place.  Because very few with the ability to make significant money is gonna work for free, IMO.         
Wrong.

Nobody is stopping pay for anyone.  By closing corporate tax loopholes, Pulling out of Iraq, Getting rid of the programs that don`t work there is more than enough money to work with.

Republican Senator Hatch and Democratic Senator Kennedy are the ones who created this community service bill.  IT is bi-partisan.  John Mccain said TONIGHT at the Columbia University Forum that he would sign it.


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Re: Obama On "Community Service"
« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2008, 06:30:27 PM »
good rich people should pay more taxes than poor people, poor people get stuck in poverty and can't get out, rich people can spare some change for helping them, freaking greedy rich
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Re: Obama On "Community Service"
« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2008, 06:30:38 PM »
Obama's people arn't into community service, more like the community servicing them, allah free healthcare and free place to stay, free food, you get the point :)

Exactly. The people who work will have less. The lazy have a sweet deal coming.

Liberalism. Socialism. Marxism. Communism.

There is no difference. Different words used for what is the same thing. It's done to throw the average Joe and Jane off as to what they are. The new one is Progressive. New word. Same meaning.

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Re: Obama On "Community Service"
« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2008, 06:32:33 PM »
relying on community service or volunteerism is bullshit, the rich elitist feed the middle class all that sentimentality, often through Hollywood, so that the middle class do all the work for free and take care of the poor while they laugh all the way to the bank, its bullshit...they should get PAID.

its like a buddy of mine works for FOX and he was all happy to comply with their request for recycling and "caring" about the environment...its bullshit...large corporations cause so much goddamn pollution, and to put it on the backs of some small office workers is total bullshit.
They do and will get paid.
Kennedy to introduce sweeping national service bill
September 11, 2008 03:22 PM
By Susan Milligan, Globe Staff

NEW YORK -- Senator Edward M. Kennedy, sidelined from the Senate as he undergoes treatment for a malignant brain tumor, plans to introduce a sweeping new national service bill tomorrow to recruit 175,000 Americans of all ages to do service work in health, education, environmental protection and anti-poverty programs, with their work partly subsidized by the federal government.

The plan, meant to build on national service initiatives that began under former President Kennedy and expanded under former Presidents George H. W. Bush and Bill Clinton, would provide an estimated $5 billion over five years to encourage citizens from kindergarteners to retirees to get involved in community organizations -- including faith-based groups -- on a series of programs targeted at national problems.

The new corps members would be paid modest salaries to spend a year working on specific national problems. Employers would be eligible for tax cuts for giving workers time off to do community service, while a new venture capital fund would also be created to boost the creation of new service organizations.

The measure is the first major piece of legislation the ailing Massachusetts lawmaker has presented since being diagnosed with a brain tumor in May. While the senator does not plan to return to Washington full-time until January, staff and colleagues say he has been working assiduously from his home in Cape Cod, following legislation, talking to fellow senators, and sponsoring amendments to bills.

The service plan - crafted by Kennedy over the past eight months with Senator Orrin Hatch, Republican of Utah -- is meant to marry the two parties' often competing approaches to community service, encouraging the volunteerism advocated by many Republicans while providing federal financial assistance requested by some Democrats.

"What this bill is saying is, we need both,'' said Alan Khazei, founder of City Year, a Boston-based youth community service group and a chief advocate of the new bill.

The measure will be unveiled tomorrow in concert with a national symposium on national service in New York. Former President Bush -- who initiated a "1,000 Points of Light'' program to encourage volunteerism -- and former President Clinton, who helped create Americorp, a federally funded program to encourage national service -- are set to appear in videos touting the benefits of community work. Caroline Kennedy, daughter of President Kennedy, is scheduled to be at the event along with Queen Noor of Jordan, dozens of military officials and numerous members of Congress and community activists.

Current national service programs are working well, Kennedy staffers said, and the new plan would build on them. The Peace Corps, President Kennedy's program to help developing countries with basic needs, would also be expanded.

But the new plan, staffers said on condition of anonymity, would be aimed at people of all ages. While many volunteer programs now attract young college graduates willing to work for low salaries before settling into better-paid job, the Kennedy-Hatch plan would give older Baby Boomers an opportunity to take time off for community service, perhaps transitioning into a second career.

Retired people generally not sought out by community service organizations would be encouraged to get involved and eligible for an "Encore Fellowship'' to extend their tenures beyond one year. Schoolchildren, meanwhile, would be taught to incorporate a "lifetime of service'' into their lives, starting with smaller efforts such as food drives, aides said.

Kennedy has been absent from Washington since May, except for a single appearance to cast a dramatic, determinate vote on a measure to block scheduled cuts in Medicare payments to doctors. The Massachusetts lawmaker also made a powerful speech at the Democratic National Convention last month in Denver, despite having awoken the morning of his address with kidney stones.

But Kennedy has continued to work despite his illness, issuing dozens of statements and signing onto several bills and amendments since he became ill.

Khazei said Kennedy has been working on the national service plan consistently since January, eager to take advantage of interest shown by both John McCain and Barack Obama, their parties' respective presidential nominees.

"He hasn't skipped a beat. He hasn't missed a day. He get more done from the Cape than most of us do in a week,'' Khazei said. "He's a hero.''

"It's appropriate that he's doing legislation on public service, because Ted Kennedy symbolizes public service," said Representative Jim McGovern, a Worcester Democrat. "It's inspiring."



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Re: Obama On "Community Service"
« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2008, 06:35:04 PM »
Exactly. The people who work will have less. The lazy have a sweet deal coming.

Liberalism. Socialism. Marxism. Communism.

There is no difference. Different words used for what is the same thing. It's done to throw the average Joe and Jane off as to what they are. The new one is Progressive. New word. Same meaning.
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Re: Obama On "Community Service"
« Reply #18 on: September 11, 2008, 06:36:40 PM »
They do and will get paid.
Kennedy to introduce sweeping national service bill
September 11, 2008 03:22 PM
By Susan Milligan, Globe Staff

NEW YORK -- Senator Edward M. Kennedy, sidelined from the Senate as he undergoes treatment for a malignant brain tumor, plans to introduce a sweeping new national service bill tomorrow to recruit 175,000 Americans of all ages to do service work in health, education, environmental protection and anti-poverty programs, with their work partly subsidized by the federal government.

The plan, meant to build on national service initiatives that began under former President Kennedy and expanded under former Presidents George H. W. Bush and Bill Clinton, would provide an estimated $5 billion over five years to encourage citizens from kindergarteners to retirees to get involved in community organizations -- including faith-based groups -- on a series of programs targeted at national problems.

The new corps members would be paid modest salaries to spend a year working on specific national problems. Employers would be eligible for tax cuts for giving workers time off to do community service, while a new venture capital fund would also be created to boost the creation of new service organizations.

The measure is the first major piece of legislation the ailing Massachusetts lawmaker has presented since being diagnosed with a brain tumor in May. While the senator does not plan to return to Washington full-time until January, staff and colleagues say he has been working assiduously from his home in Cape Cod, following legislation, talking to fellow senators, and sponsoring amendments to bills.

The service plan - crafted by Kennedy over the past eight months with Senator Orrin Hatch, Republican of Utah -- is meant to marry the two parties' often competing approaches to community service, encouraging the volunteerism advocated by many Republicans while providing federal financial assistance requested by some Democrats.

"What this bill is saying is, we need both,'' said Alan Khazei, founder of City Year, a Boston-based youth community service group and a chief advocate of the new bill.

The measure will be unveiled tomorrow in concert with a national symposium on national service in New York. Former President Bush -- who initiated a "1,000 Points of Light'' program to encourage volunteerism -- and former President Clinton, who helped create Americorp, a federally funded program to encourage national service -- are set to appear in videos touting the benefits of community work. Caroline Kennedy, daughter of President Kennedy, is scheduled to be at the event along with Queen Noor of Jordan, dozens of military officials and numerous members of Congress and community activists.

Current national service programs are working well, Kennedy staffers said, and the new plan would build on them. The Peace Corps, President Kennedy's program to help developing countries with basic needs, would also be expanded.

But the new plan, staffers said on condition of anonymity, would be aimed at people of all ages. While many volunteer programs now attract young college graduates willing to work for low salaries before settling into better-paid job, the Kennedy-Hatch plan would give older Baby Boomers an opportunity to take time off for community service, perhaps transitioning into a second career.

Retired people generally not sought out by community service organizations would be encouraged to get involved and eligible for an "Encore Fellowship'' to extend their tenures beyond one year. Schoolchildren, meanwhile, would be taught to incorporate a "lifetime of service'' into their lives, starting with smaller efforts such as food drives, aides said.

Kennedy has been absent from Washington since May, except for a single appearance to cast a dramatic, determinate vote on a measure to block scheduled cuts in Medicare payments to doctors. The Massachusetts lawmaker also made a powerful speech at the Democratic National Convention last month in Denver, despite having awoken the morning of his address with kidney stones.

But Kennedy has continued to work despite his illness, issuing dozens of statements and signing onto several bills and amendments since he became ill.

Khazei said Kennedy has been working on the national service plan consistently since January, eager to take advantage of interest shown by both John McCain and Barack Obama, their parties' respective presidential nominees.

"He hasn't skipped a beat. He hasn't missed a day. He get more done from the Cape than most of us do in a week,'' Khazei said. "He's a hero.''

"It's appropriate that he's doing legislation on public service, because Ted Kennedy symbolizes public service," said Representative Jim McGovern, a Worcester Democrat. "It's inspiring."




Could you paraphrase this for me? 

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Re: Obama On "Community Service"
« Reply #19 on: September 11, 2008, 06:37:35 PM »
it sounds nice but believe me the workers will be getting ripped off  and told they should enjoy the internal feeling of "reward" of doing something good....trust me there will be no rich people signing up for those assignments unless the feel like slumming it for a few months until its time to hide away in the Hamptons.


its like bloomberg telling teachers they dont deserve more money because they get the benefit of the reward of helping children that he doesnt get on a day to day basis....unbelievable.

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Re: Obama On "Community Service"
« Reply #20 on: September 11, 2008, 06:40:05 PM »
Could you paraphrase this for me? 
Why don`t you read it?

That is your main problem lately, you aren`t willing to take the time to read and then comprehend what you read.

Why not spend some time with the facts and evidence rather than assume and then create a fictious or biased notion derived from yourself or something "you heard in passing".

The problem with most people in society is that they don`t like facts and evidence.  It is a frightening trend.

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Re: Obama On "Community Service"
« Reply #21 on: September 11, 2008, 06:42:25 PM »
it sounds nice but believe me the workers will be getting ripped off  and told they should enjoy the internal feeling of "reward" of doing something good....trust me there will be no rich people signing up for those assignments unless the feel like slumming it for a few months until its time to hide away in the Hamptons.


its like bloomberg telling teachers they dont deserve more money because they get the benefit of the reward of helping children that he doesnt get on a day to day basis....unbelievable.

Yeah that's kinda what I'm thinking.  Plus just how hard are college kids gonna be working on these "problems" if they're just there to get their 3 hours so they get their check at the beginning of the semester?  All those "jobs" might be jokes I'm thinking, not really getting much done?  

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Re: Obama On "Community Service"
« Reply #22 on: September 11, 2008, 06:43:00 PM »
it sounds nice but believe me the workers will be getting ripped off  and told they should enjoy the internal feeling of "reward" of doing something good....trust me there will be no rich people signing up for those assignments unless the feel like slumming it for a few months until its time to hide away in the Hamptons.


its like bloomberg telling teachers they dont deserve more money because they get the benefit of the reward of helping children that he doesnt get on a day to day basis....unbelievable.
It is NOT designed for wealthy people per se`, although they are free to sign up.  It is specifically targeted to anyone who would like the opportunity to serve their country, get some spending money and at the same time not have to worry about how they are going to have to pay for college.


If someone feels like they aren`t being paid enough, they are more than welcome to not sign up, or to stop at any time and go elsewhere.  I don`t get your objection.

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Re: Obama On "Community Service"
« Reply #23 on: September 11, 2008, 06:45:42 PM »
It's just another way to indoctrinate them into becoming ultra left wingers on the taxpayer’s dime. As if the public education system in this country doesn't do enough of it. ::)

Clearly you have no clue about anything regarding government.  I can help you not be so ignorant if you like.

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Re: Obama On "Community Service"
« Reply #24 on: September 11, 2008, 06:47:43 PM »
Wrong.

Nobody is stopping pay for anyone.  By closing corporate tax loopholes, Pulling out of Iraq, Getting rid of the programs that don`t work there is more than enough money to work with.

Republican Senator Hatch and Democratic Senator Kennedy are the ones who created this community service bill.  IT is bi-partisan.  John Mccain said TONIGHT at the Columbia University Forum that he would sign it.



So John McCain's just as for this plan as Obama is?