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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #150 on: September 13, 2008, 06:36:04 PM »
Like you said it had been done that doesn't change the fact and 95 & 93 and interchanageable for his best showings it could go either way

you didn't answer my question. If Dorian was at his prime in 95, then how come he was called out in the muscularity round? ;)

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These quote prove what? that his competition was somehow spectacular? Cutler was flat big deal and Dex was Dex always in great shape the rest of the field ho-hum

the quotes I posted show that, not only was 03 Ronnie so far ahead of his competition, but that he also transgressed what was thought humanly possible.

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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #151 on: September 13, 2008, 06:39:21 PM »
Peter McGough Ironage September , 2003

After Dorian's career ended in '97, we discussed what was his best ever shape. We both agreed on 1995. He was driven that year by his underpar showing in '94.

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next what? You do realize that you're only proving my point that 93 was a novelty. How can the judges not include Dorian in the muscularity round when he was not at his best yet call him out when he was even better?

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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #152 on: September 13, 2008, 06:42:11 PM »
you didn't answer my question. If Dorian was at his prime in 95, then how come he was called out in the muscularity round? ;)

the quotes I posted show that, not only was 03 Ronnie so far ahead of his competition, but that he also transgressed beyond what was thought humanly possible.

There is NO if I just proved to you  ;) and in 1993 Dorian raised the bar so far beyond anything shown before hence the absence of the mascularity round , 1995 was the same but it was done it had nothing to do with the his prime how you made that leaps is beyond me

your quotes means NOTHING in relation to Dorian Yates and the 1993 Mr Olympia and to use your retarded logic , if 2003 was Ronnie's prime why didn't they omit him from the muscularity round?  ;)

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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #153 on: September 13, 2008, 06:44:47 PM »
next what? You do realize that you're only proving my point that 93 was a novelty. How can the judges not include Dorian in the muscularity round when he was not at his best yet call him out when he was even better?

it wasn't a ' novelty ' it was a defining moment in bodybuilding something that hadn't been done before that time , and he didn't change the sport again in 1995 but he did dominate just the same as 1993

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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #154 on: September 13, 2008, 07:03:54 PM »
There is NO if I just proved to you and in 1993 Dorian raised the bar so far beyond anything shown before hence the absence of the mascularity round , 1995 was the same but it was done it had nothing to do with the his prime how you made that leaps is beyond me

you fail to understand that 93 was a novelty b/c it never happened again. Dorian raised the bar in 95. Ronnie raised it in 01 and 03. All 3 times, the winner demolished the competition but the judges still called out every bodybuilder. If you really want to get into this, the ownage at the 01 ASC was even worse than 93. Seriously, who was Ronnie's competition that year? Chris Cormier, Dennis James, King Kamali, and Craig Titus? ::)

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your quotes means NOTHING in relation to Dorian Yates and the 1993 Mr Olympia and to use your retarded logic , if 2003 was Ronnie's prime why didn't they omit him from the muscularity round?

I wasn't trying to relate my quotes to Dorian. I was just showing that I can post quotes too. Whoop-tee-f*cking doo! To answer your question, it states in the IFBB criteria that judges should evaluate each competitor in the compulsory poses. This is kind of hard to do when the competitors are standing relaxed to the side of the stage. ;)

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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #155 on: September 13, 2008, 07:16:22 PM »
you fail to understand that 93 was a novelty b/c it never happened again. Dorian raised the bar in 95. Ronnie raised it in 01 and 03. All 3 times, the winner demolished the competition but the judges still called out every bodybuilder. If you really want to get into this, the ownage at the 01 ASC was even worse than 93. Seriously, who was Ronnie's competition that year? Chris Cormier, Dennis James, King Kamali, and Craig Titus? ::)

I wasn't trying to relate my quotes to Dorian. I was simply showing that I can post quotes supporting my argument too. To answer your question, b/c it states in the IFBB criteria that the judges should evaluate each competitor in the compulsory poses. This is kind of hard to do when they are standing relaxed to the side of the stage looking on. ;)

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you fail to understand that 93 was a novelty b/c it never happened again. Dorian raised the bar in 95. Ronnie raised it in 01 and 03. All 3 times, the winner demolished the competition but the judges still called out every bodybuilder. If you really want to get into this, the ownage at the 01 ASC was even worse than 93. Seriously, who was Ronnie's competition that year? Chris Cormier, Dennis James, King Kamali, and Craig Titus? ::)

it doesn't matter if it never happened again what matters is it did happen. Dorian didn't raise the bar again he defined the sport in 1993 he matched it again in 1995 , been there and done that

you're such a fan boy 2001 didn't define the sport it didn't raise the bar Ronnie was 247 pounds max with awesome conditioning , big deal Yates was all that and more in 1993 , and again we're comparing 1993 to 2003 and the quality & depth of the field , you realize you have nothing with 2003 and decided to fish elsewhere

1995 Dorain's best showing , another clear cut example of you being flat out wrong and owned


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I wasn't trying to relate my quotes to Dorian. I was simply showing that I can post quotes supporting my argument too. To answer your question, b/c it states in the IFBB criteria that the judges should evaluate each competitor in the compulsory poses. This is kind of hard to do when they are standing relaxed to the side of the stage looking on. ;)

Thanks for answering my question and again Ronnie dominated who in 2003? Jay Cutler and Dexter WOW-WEE  ::) thats insane  ::)

1993 crushes 2003 a near prime Flex Wheeler , Shawn Ray , Kevin Levrone , Lee Labrada , Dillett , Munzer , Cliarmonte was outstanding Sonny Schimdt , etc all of these guys were next to their best career wise all in fantastic shape there was a much greater emphasis on conditioning as well


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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #156 on: September 13, 2008, 07:42:34 PM »
typical Neo move.... diversion

I said most dominant Mr Olympia contest win ever and you said check out 2003 , how was 2003 more dominant than 1993? you then move onto a word game about primes

I provided proof that Dorian was so far ahead of his contemporaries that he defined an era and didn't even need to be included in the muscularity round and he did so over a quality & deep field , Ronnie did the same in 2003 sans the quality & deep field yet he he wasn't omitted from the muscularity round , so that means Dorian's win in 1993 is the most dominant ever


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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #157 on: September 13, 2008, 07:47:56 PM »
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I provided proof that Dorian was so far ahead of his contemporaries that he defined an era and didn't even need to be included in the muscularity round

yes, the era of bad judging... :-\
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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #158 on: September 13, 2008, 08:18:46 PM »
yes, the era of bad judging... :-\


which includes 2001.

funny how you always mention 94, but leave 01 out.
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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #159 on: September 13, 2008, 08:23:20 PM »
it doesn't matter if it never happened again what matters is it did happen. Dorian didn't raise the bar again he defined the sport in 1993 he matched it again in 1995 , been there and done that

it does matter that the judges never let it happen again. This means it was a one time thing. And Dorian didn't define the sport. Give me a break! He raised the bar, yes, but he didn't define bodybuilding any more than Sergio, Arnold, Samir, and Lee all did before him, yet the judges still called them out during the muscularity round.

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you're such a fan boy 2001 didn't define the sport it didn't raise the bar Ronnie was 247 pounds max with awesome conditioning , big deal Yates was all that and more in 1993 , and again we're comparing 1993 to 2003 and the quality & depth of the field , you realize you have nothing with 2003 and decided to fish elsewhere

how does using the 01 ASC as an example make me a fan boy, you dipshit? Ronnie presented the best physique of all-time according to many experts including Peter McGough and Shawn Perine of Team Flex and Raymond Cassar of Muscletime.com. Ronnie's main competition largely consisted of 2nd and 3rd tier bodybuilders. If there was ever an example of clear cut ownage in a bodybuilding contest, that was it. Yet the judges still called him out during the muscularity round. This goes to show that 93 was done for novelty.

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Thanks for answering my question and again Ronnie dominated who in 2003? Jay Cutler and Dexter WOW-WEE thats insane

what does the field of competitors Dorian and Ronnie faced have to do with who dominated more? All that matters is the difference between 1st and 2nd was greater in 03 than 93. ;)

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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #160 on: September 13, 2008, 10:46:47 PM »
riiiight, that's why you ran away from this post. Spare me any excuses why you couldn't respond b/c you posted later in that thread. ;)

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  I didn't ran from this post, moron. I addressed it several times. For starters, Haney didn't have inferior balance but superior symmetry. Balance as far as bodybuilding goes is included in symmetry, idiot. Secondy, Haney didn't have inferior conditioning. This is another one of your fantasies. Haney's conditioning was at it's best ever in 1991, and Dorian's would only reach it's legendary status in 1993.

  Now, even if you were right about Haney defeating Dorian because he was bigger with inferior conditioning, it's only something that happened once in a specific contest. You can't say that would happen every time just because that's how it went that time. Going by your stupid logic, then Jean-Pierre Fux should have defeated Dorian, since he was bigger and with better proportions sans the distended gut than Dorian, and his conditioning was at least as good but in my opinion better than Ronnie's at the 2003 Olympia. So Dorian defeats Ronnie at the 2003 Olympia for te exact reasons he defeated Fux. You must be feeling really stupid now. ;)

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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #161 on: September 14, 2008, 12:20:22 AM »
I didn't ran from this post, moron. I addressed it several times. For starters, Haney didn't have inferior balance but superior symmetry. Balance as far as bodybuilding goes is included in symmetry, idiot. Secondy, Haney didn't have inferior conditioning. This is another one of your fantasies. Haney's conditioning was at it's best ever in 1991, and Dorian's would only reach it's legendary status in 1993.

ha ha ha, wtf are you talking about? I never said anything about balance or symmetry. Nice strawman attempt there, little boy. I said Haney had worse proportions which is true. His massive upper body overpowered his legs. Haney also had worse conditioning. I don't know why you keep bringing up what year his best conditioning was like this somehow affects Dorian's conditioning in any way. Haney may have been at his best, but Dorian's conditioning was still better. Rather than talk out of your ass, look at the pics on muscletime.com. Dorian's entire back, midsection, glutes, and hamstrings were all more defined.

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Now, even if you were right about Haney defeating Dorian because he was bigger with inferior conditioning, it's only something that happened once in a specific contest. You can't say that would happen every time just because that's how it went that time. Going by your stupid logic, then Jean-Pierre Fux should have defeated Dorian, since he was bigger and with better proportions sans the distended gut than Dorian, and his conditioning was at least as good but in my opinion better than Ronnie's at the 2003 Olympia. So Dorian defeats Ronnie at the 2003 Olympia for te exact reasons he defeated Fux.

I already countered your objection by using Andreas Munzer as an example. The problem is you're neglecting the total package. Haney had better symmetry, proportion, and shape than Jean-Pierre Fux who was all size.

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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #162 on: September 14, 2008, 02:42:43 AM »
no, his muscularity had nothing to do with it

he didn't need to be included because the judges were not doing their job properly - they didn't care what his physique looked like they were going to give him first place no matter what..

how competent judges could 'not include' a competitor in a round and still score him is beyond unbelievable.. ::)

lol

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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #163 on: September 14, 2008, 02:49:53 AM »
Ronnie won more Olympia titles...

Yes, but back in 93, things were different.


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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #164 on: September 14, 2008, 03:40:26 AM »

which includes 2001.

funny how you always mention 94, but leave 01 out.

its not funny - its a different story all together.

look at the contest pics from both years:

Jay gets owned by Ronnie.

Dorian gets owned by Shawn.

NOT the same thing:
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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #165 on: September 14, 2008, 03:41:25 AM »
lol

do you want me to pass a tissue?

LOL yes.

hey, I am just commenting on what everyone seem to know but one or  two idiot dorian nuthuggers.

thats all 8)
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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #166 on: September 14, 2008, 05:32:30 AM »
it does matter that the judges never let it happen again. This means it was a one time thing. And Dorian didn't define the sport. Give me a break! He raised the bar, yes, but he didn't define bodybuilding any more than Sergio, Arnold, Samir, and Lee all did before him, yet the judges still called them out during the muscularity round.

how does using the 01 ASC as an example make me a fan boy, you dipshit? Ronnie presented the best physique of all-time according to many experts including Peter McGough and Shawn Perine of Team Flex and Raymond Cassar of Muscletime.com. Ronnie's main competition largely consisted of 2nd and 3rd tier bodybuilders. If there was ever an example of clear cut ownage in a bodybuilding contest, that was it. Yet the judges still called him out during the muscularity round. This goes to show that 93 was done for novelty.

what does the field of competitors Dorian and Ronnie faced have to do with who dominated more? All that matters is the difference between 1st and 2nd was greater in 03 than 93. ;)

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it does matter that the judges never let it happen again. This means it was a one time thing. And Dorian didn't define the sport. Give me a break! He raised the bar, yes, but he didn't define bodybuilding any more than Sergio, Arnold, Samir, and Lee all did before him, yet the judges still called them out during the muscularity round.

No shit the judges never let it happen again ergo the most dominant Olympia ever and sure Dorian defined the sport what other Mr Olympia before him was as complete ? he was complete from head to toe he had everything he changed the sport on that day.

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how does using the 01 ASC as an example make me a fan boy, you dipshit? Ronnie presented the best physique of all-time according to many experts including Peter McGough and Shawn Perine of Team Flex and Raymond Cassar of Muscletime.com. Ronnie's main competition largely consisted of 2nd and 3rd tier bodybuilders. If there was ever an example of clear cut ownage in a bodybuilding contest, that was it. Yet the judges still called him out during the muscularity round. This goes to show that 93 was done for novelty.

because you shifted from 03 to 01 that's how it makes you a fan boy. the best physique of all-time what happened to 2003?  ;) and you're bragging about Ronnie dominating ho-hum competition , Dorian dominated better competition and Dorian was so far ahead of his competition that he didn't need to be included in the muscularity round that alone means he was the most dominant Olympia winner ever , novelty my ass , Dorian was first , second and third.

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what does the field of competitors Dorian and Ronnie faced have to do with who dominated more? All that matters is the difference between 1st and 2nd was greater in 03 than 93. ;)

you're bragging about Ronnie beating Jay & Dexter lol it would mean something if he dominated an extremely high caliber field , Dorian DOMINATED the best at close to their best

and prove the distance between 1st & 2nd was greater in 03 than 93 , you can't all you can do it type , Dorian didn't need to be included in the muscularity round you can cry and bitch and moan about why but that doesn't change the fact he wasn't needed the same can't said for Ronnie 03 , so much for 03

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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #167 on: September 14, 2008, 05:58:16 AM »
NarcissisticDeity,

hulkster's a child....f*ck him off and live your life......fans with a more open mind know the truth....hulkster was still getting his nappies changed when dorian was winning those titles.....he would know shit.....Ronnie is flavour of the month for these y-generation poo jabbers.....dorian 95, wheeler 93, arnold 74.....after that who caresssssssss






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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #168 on: September 14, 2008, 06:01:55 AM »
NarcissisticDeity,

hulkster's a child....f*ck him off and live your life......fans with a more open mind know the truth....hulkster was still getting his nappies changed when dorian was winning those titles.....he would know shit.....Ronnie is flavour of the month for these y-generation poo jabbers.....dorian 95, wheeler 93, arnold 74.....after that who caresssssssss







You make a great point , I'm living my life and kicking his ass at the same time but I get your point  :) here is Kevin Horton famed contest photographer calling him a retard lol

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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #170 on: September 14, 2008, 06:55:52 AM »
dillet owned dorian.

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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #171 on: September 14, 2008, 11:03:46 AM »
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Kevin Horton famed contest photographer and noted cowardly sore loser - running away from proof that destroys his arguments- calling him a retard lol

fixed for accuracy.

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« Reply #172 on: September 14, 2008, 11:06:19 AM »
fixed for accuracy.

lol



What else are you going to say? lol Instant GetBig Classic Kevin Horton called you a retard lol one of the best contest photographers ever putting you in your place lol

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« Reply #173 on: September 14, 2008, 11:06:58 AM »
No shit the judges never let it happen again ergo the most dominant Olympia ever and sure Dorian defined the sport what other Mr Olympia before him was as complete ? he was complete from head to toe he had everything he changed the sport on that day.

wrong, just b/c it only happened once doesn't mean 93 was the most dominant Olympia performance ever. All it tells us is that the judges didn't follow protocol that year. I predict that someone will come along one day and deliver an even more dominant performance than Dorian or Ronnie but the judges will still include him in the muscularity round. 93 will never happen again, not b/c no one will ever surpass Dorian, but b/c the judges won't allow it.

if Dorian changed the sport, then so did Sergio, Arnold, Samir, Lee, and Ronnie. Each bodybuilder raised the bar higher than his predecessor and changed the sport of bodybuilding.

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because you shifted from 03 to 01 that's how it makes you a fan boy. the best physique of all-time what happened to 2003? and you're bragging about Ronnie dominating ho-hum competition , Dorian dominated better competition and Dorian was so far ahead of his competition that he didn't need to be included in the muscularity round that alone means he was the most dominant Olympia winner ever , novelty my ass , Dorian was first , second and third.

allow me to explain since you're apparently to dumb to figure this out. Although I believe 03 Ronnie to be his prime, I also feel his 01 ASC physique would beat Dorian. Is that better? I switch between both years just like you alternate between pre-contest 93, 93, and 95. The reason I mentioned the 01 ASC is b/c Ronnie dominated his competition even more than Dorian did in 93. The IFBB rulebook was the same but Ronnie was still called out during prejudging. If there was ever an example of clear cut ownage in a bodybuilding contest, that was it. Yet the judges still called him out during the muscularity round. This goes to show that 93 was done for novelty.

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you're bragging about Ronnie beating Jay & Dexter lol it would mean something if he dominated an extremely high caliber field , Dorian DOMINATED the best at close to their best

again, what does the field of competitors Dorian and Ronnie faced have to do with who dominated more?

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and prove the distance between 1st & 2nd was greater in 03 than 93 , you can't all you can do it type , Dorian didn't need to be included in the muscularity round you can cry and bitch and moan about why but that doesn't change the fact he wasn't needed the same can't said for Ronnie 03 , so much for 03

simple: just look at the pics. In some shots, guys like Shawn Ray, Flex Wheeler, Paul Dillet, and Lou Ferrigno are holding their own or beating him in 1 or more criteria. Nobody came close to Ronnie in 03. In fact, he made the 2nd best built man in the world look like an amateur.








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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #174 on: September 14, 2008, 11:11:56 AM »
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just b/c it only happened once doesn't mean 93 was the most dominant Olympia performance ever. All it tells us is that the judges didn't follow protocol that year.

exactly.

the judges didn't care about following protocol because Uncle Joe was having dorian win no matter what he looked like - much like his post tear years.

the whole point of a protocol is to ensure that scoring is as accurate as possible.

if the number one placing is decided ahead of time - no need for said protocol, now is there?

it just reinforces the fact that the judges didn't care what dorian looked like  - in 93 (where he happen to deserve to win anyway) or something like 94 or 97 (where he should not have won given his competition)..and its this sort of fixing that caused fans to lose interest in droves as the 90's drew to a close...
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