1993 - best ever!

[NarcissisticDeity]

here's a question for ND which I know he will avoid directly answering like the plague:

how can 01 ASC Ronnie have the best physique of all-time (i.e. better than 93 Dorian) and still be called out during prejudging despite facing 2nd and 3rd tier bodybuilders (i.e. worse competition than 93)?

You're working under the assumption it was the best physique of all-time i.e. better than 93 Dorian , just because some people claim so doesn't make it so

[NeoSeminole]

You're working under the assumption it was the best physique of all-time i.e. better than 93 Dorian , just because some people claim so doesn't make it so

oh?

Team Flex – http://www.flexonline.com/training/49

"We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever - unbeatable."

Raymond Cassar – Muscletime.com

"There is no one alive that can beat Ronnie Coleman when he is at his best - No One! (and his best for me was when he won the 2001 Arnold Classic)"

Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005

"Ronnie sporting that [01 ASC] look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."

Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004

"As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable. Except by Dorian Yates 6 weeks out from the '93 O as photographed by our own KMH. Both men, on those specific occasions carried so much dry muscle mass in good proportion and with good lines that it's almost unfair to compare them to others."

Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005

"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"

[NarcissisticDeity]

oh right, I forgot. When you don't understand something you read, you use the excuse "semantics."

it must suck for you to be such a simpleton that you cannot explain how you arrived at the conclusion that 93 was the most dominant performance of all-time.

such a retarded argument. Did Dorian win 8 Mr. Olympias? Yeah, I thought so. So much for Dorian being a better bodybuilder than Ronnie.

I already answered the question YOU don't like the answer , keep trying to play with words using your own retard logic show me where the judges said specifically 2003/2001 was the most dominant ever I'm waiting , Dorian managed to end a contest in the symmetry round a feat Coleman couldn't replicate therefore 1993 is the most dominant Mr Olympia contest ever all you have left is excuses and tears

thats the proof he was more dominating if you can show me the same with Coleman I'll entertain your point of view but we both know you can't so cry me a river

[NarcissisticDeity]

oh?

Team Flex – http://www.flexonline.com/training/49

"We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever - unbeatable."

Raymond Cassar – Muscletime.com

"There is no one alive that can beat Ronnie Coleman when he is at his best - No One! (and his best for me was when he won the 2001 Arnold Classic)"

Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005

"Ronnie sporting that [01 ASC] look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."

Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004

"As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable. Except by Dorian Yates 6 weeks out from the '93 O as photographed by our own KMH. Both men, on those specific occasions carried so much dry muscle mass in good proportion and with good lines that it's almost unfair to compare them to others."

Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005

"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"

Thats not proof of anything its opinions none of these men judge contests  and notice Yates' name mentioned as one who could beat him? thanks for playing

While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.

On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.

Ronnie 2001 carries less muscular bulk than Dorian at 269 pounds , can't touch him in density & dryness according to McGough , or balance & proportion , or thickness and posing & presentation and Yates is more complete that my ignorant little friend is ALL of the judging criteria so either way your have nothing , now imagine how if Dorian at 269 pounds showed up on stage in 1993 , he would be in the pumping room and he would have won the contest lol

[NeoSeminole]

I already answered the question YOU don't like the answer , keep trying to play with words using your own retard logic show me where the judges said specifically 2003/2001 was the most dominant ever I'm waiting , Dorian managed to end a contest in the symmetry round a feat Coleman couldn't replicate therefore 1993 is the most dominant Mr Olympia contest ever all you have left is excuses and tears

ha ha ha, no shit I don't accept your answer b/c it's not a good one.

I already gave examples of when the judges followed protocol despite more clear cut ownages by the winner. You would have an argument if there was consistency to the judges' actions, but as it stands 93 was a novelty.

thats the proof he was more dominating if you can show me the same with Coleman I'll entertain your point of view but we both know you can't so cry me a river

that doesn't prove shit. Yes, Dorian was far ahead of his competition in 93. I've never disagreed with that. However, the fact he wasn't compared during prejudging doesn't mean it was the most dominating performance of all-time. It just means the judges didn't follow protocol. I love how you accuse me of trying to connect-the-dots but when you do it, it's "proof."

[NarcissisticDeity]

ha ha ha, no shit I don't accept your answer b/c it's not a good one.

I already gave examples of when the judges followed protocol despite more clear cut ownages by the winner. You would have an argument if there was consistency to the judges' actions, but as it stands 93 was a novelty.

that doesn't prove shit. Yes, Dorian was far ahead of his competition in 93. I've never disagreed with that. However, the fact he wasn't compared during prejudging doesn't mean it was the most dominating performance of all-time. It just means the judges didn't follow protocol. I love how you accuse me of trying to connect-the-dots but when you do it, it's "proof."

Its not a good one because it shuts you down period. its not good because it happened to Dorian and not Ronnie and if it did you be posting that every two seconds 

1993 stands as the exception , keep trying to downgrade it to a ' novelty ' to quote McGough given his ' stunning superiority ' end of sentence you can't counter this keep bitching its all you have left

that doesn't prove shit. Yes, Dorian was far ahead of his competition in 93. I've never disagreed with that. However, the fact he wasn't compared during prejudging doesn't mean it was the most dominating performance of all-time. It just means the judges didn't follow protocol. I love how you accuse me of trying to connect-the-dots but when you do it, it's "proof."

no thats exactly what it means and why? has it been done since? there is NO connecting the dot , it didn't happen in 1994/1995/1996/1997/1998/1999/2000/2001/2002/2003/2004/2005/2006/2007 no connecting the dots needed thanks for playing

[NeoSeminole]

Thats not proof of anything its opinions none of these men judge contests and notice Yates' name mentioned as one who could beat him? thanks for playing

learn to read dipshit. Look at which version of Dorian is mentioned in Shawn Perine's quote. Peter McGough feels the same in the quote you posted. Funny how 01 ASC Ronnie is too good to be compared to 93 Mr. O Dorian.

come back when you improve your reading comprehension. Next

[NarcissisticDeity]

learn to read dipshit. Look at which version of Dorian is mentioned in Shawn Perine's quote. Peter McGough feels the same way in the quote you posted. Funny how 01 ASC Ronnie is too good to be compared to 93 Mr. O Dorian.

come back when you improve your reading comprehension. Next

it doesn't matter , was Ronnie so 'stunningly superior ' at the 2001 Arnold Classic that the judges didn't need to include him in the muscularity round? let me answer for you NO thanks for playing have a nice day

pick any version of Ronnie you want Dorian meets the criteria better 

[NeoSeminole]

Its not a good one because it shuts you down period. its not good because it happened to Dorian and not Ronnie and if it did you be posting that every two seconds

wrong, it's not a good answer b/c you jump to a conclusion without any evidence to back it up. Show me where the judges explicitly said Dorian's performance in 93 was the most dominant of all-time. Explain how 01 ASC Ronnie can have just as good, if not better, a physique as Dorian amid weaker competition and still be called out during prejudging. When you can do that, then I will entertain your nonsense. Until then, your "proof" is no more convincing than me saying "Ronnie won 8 Mr. Olympias while Dorian only won 6. So Ronnie was more dominant."

[NeoSeminole]

it doesn't matter , was Ronnie so 'stunningly superior ' at the 2001 Arnold Classic that the judges didn't need to include him in the muscularity round? let me answer for you NO thanks for playing have a nice day

it must burn you to lose all the time. Just b/c you cannot counter my argument doesn't make it unimportant.

[NarcissisticDeity]

wrong, it's not a good answer b/c you jump to a conclusion without any evidence to back it up. Show me where the judges explicitly said Dorian's performance in 93 was the most dominant of all-time. Explain how 01 ASC Ronnie can have just as good, if not better, a physique as Dorian amid weaker competition and still be called out during prejudging. When you can do that, then I will entertain your nonsense. Until then, your "proof" is no more convincing than me saying "Ronnie won 8 Mr. Olympias while Dorian only won 6. So Ronnie was more dominant."

Again you claimed 2003 and 2001 are both more dominant than 1993 , please show me the evidence of the judges claiming this 

and how many of those 8 Olympia were with straights 5s? thanks for playing dummy run along now

its so easy to own you

[NarcissisticDeity]

it must burn you to lose all the time. Just b/c you cannot counter my argument doesn't make it unimportant.

Again if I were ' losing ' you wouldn't be chasing me around   

[NeoSeminole]

Again you claimed 2003 and 2001 are both more dominant than 1993 , please show me the evidence of the judges claiming this

I don't need to quote any judges b/c I never claimed they said so. You did. I'm using the judging criteria and visual evidence to determine who's win was more dominant.

and how many of those 8 Olympia were with straights 5s? thanks for playing dummy run along now

doesn't matter since I was referring to quantity of wins. You should take more time instead of typing hasty responses. It makes you look dumb.

[NeoSeminole]

Again if I were ' losing ' you wouldn't be chasing me around

I'm not chasing you around. You quoted me after I responded to someone else in this thread, dumbass.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I don't need to quote any judges b/c I never claimed they said so. You did. I'm using the judging criteria and visual evidence to determine who's win was more dominant.

doesn't matter since I was referring to quantity of wins. You should take more time instead of typing hasty responses. It makes you look dumb.

lol I have nothing to work with , the judges spoke in 1993 and it hasn't been replicated to this day and you'd have to know the judging criteria to determine who is more dominant

another common mistake of your mistaking quantity for quality  Dorian's win/loss ratio 88% Ronnies 40% thanks for playing who was more dominant

Peter McGough

Given his stunning superiority, the judges saw no need to include him in a muscularity comparison, so Wayne DeMilia called out Yates, Flex Wheeler and Shawn Ray just for the audience.




Coleman's 1998 Olympia victory] was not a definitive win. In 99, Big Ron was lucky to defeat Flex Wheeler again. Levrone thought he'd beaten him twice, in 2000 and 2002. At the 2002 show, Levrone had won both of the evening rounds (a year on, at the Olympia press conference before the 2003 show, Coleman would chide Levrone, asking him, 'When was the last time you beat me?' Levrone replied, 'Last year.'). In 2001, Jay Cutler beat Ronnie in both the first two rounds and lost by four points.
   Coleman had not replicated the dominance of Haney and Yates. He always seemed slightly vulnerable, protected as much by protocol as his physique

next

[NarcissisticDeity]

I'm not chasing you around. You quoted me after I responded to someone else in this thread, dumbass.

again you're chasing ME around constantly trying to equal the score if I got my ass handed to me as much as you did I would be looking for revenge HA HA HA HA HA HA HA 

Neo = puppy ....fetch

[NeoSeminole]

lol I have nothing to work with , the judges spoke in 1993 and it hasn't been replicated to this day and you'd have to know the judging criteria to determine who is more dominant

at least you admit you have nothing to work with. You're right that the judging in 93 hasn't been repeated. That doesn't mean no one else has won in more dominating fashion.

another common mistake of your mistaking quantity for quality Dorian's win/loss ratio 88% Ronnies 40% thanks for playing who was more dominant

are you purposely acting stupid? I can't tell anymore with you. Show me where I was being serious when I said Ronnie is better b/c he won more Mr. Olympias than Dorian.

Coleman's 1998 Olympia victory] was not a definitive win. In 99, Big Ron was lucky to defeat Flex Wheeler again. Levrone thought he'd beaten him twice, in 2000 and 2002. At the 2002 show, Levrone had won both of the evening rounds (a year on, at the Olympia press conference before the 2003 show, Coleman would chide Levrone, asking him, 'When was the last time you beat me?' Levrone replied, 'Last year.'). In 2001, Jay Cutler beat Ronnie in both the first two rounds and lost by four points.

read your own quote again, idiot. Nowhere does it mention the 01 ASC or 03. So what does this have to do with Ronnie's most dominating wins?

[NarcissisticDeity]

at least you admit you have nothing to work with. You're right that the judging in 93 hasn't been repeated. That doesn't mean no one else has won in more dominating fashion.

No thats exactly what it means

are you purposely acting stupid? I can't tell anymore with you. Show me where I was being serious when I said Ronnie is better b/c he won more Mr. Olympias than Dorian.

lol ( shakes head )

read your own quote again, idiot. Nowhere does it mention the 01 ASC or 03. So what does this have to do with Ronnie's most dominating wins?

again it doesn't matter please post the quotes that say due to the stunning superiority the judges saw no need to include Ronnie 2001/2003 in the muscularity round

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[Hulkster]

it doesn't matter , was Ronnie so 'stunningly superior ' at the 2001 Arnold Classic that the judges didn't need to include him in the muscularity round? let me answer for you NO thanks for playing have a nice day

sigh.

you still cannot grasp the concept that not including a competitor in a round but scoring them as the best of that particular round anyway is by definition the very worst judging in history..biased, partial and screaming of predetermined scoring..

why do you not want to admit that the judges were not doing their jobs properly?

why do you not want to admit that the judges pulled the score out of their asses?


you claim to know so much about the judging, yet when the normal protocol that ensures fairness is thrown out the window, you act like its a great thing..

you have no CLUE how the judging works.

if you did, you would be criticizing the judges for doing what they did..

[NeoSeminole]

again you're chasing ME around constantly trying to equal the score if I got my ass handed to me as much as you did I would be looking for revenge HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

the irony of you saying I'm chasing you around when you've been following me around ever since I responded to another person in this thread. I replied to you and you keep responding. Then you claim I'm chasing you like a puppy dog when it's the complete opposite of this.

[NarcissisticDeity]

the irony of you saying I'm chasing you around when you've been following me around ever since I responded to another person in this thread. I replied to you and you keep responding and responding. Then you claim I'm chasing you like a puppy dog when it's the complete opposite of this.

Sure , sure I'm no longer in the Truce thread and low and behold , Neo , Hulkster , pumpster and the rest of camp-delusional are following me around thats blatantly obvious , you're a child begging for my attention and if the mood strikes me I'll throw you a bone until you bore me and the I send you to your room

[NeoSeminole]

Sure , sure I'm no longer in the Truce thread and low and behold , Neo , Hulkster , pumpster and the rest of camp-delusional are following me around thats blatantly obvious , you're a child begging for my attention and if the mood strikes me I'll throw you a bone until you bore me and the I send you to your room

keep saying the opposite of reality. I didn't even respond to you in this thread until you singled me out. Your life must be so boring that you instigate wars on Getbig for attention.

[NarcissisticDeity]

keep saying the opposite of reality. I didn't even respond to you in this thread until you singled me out. Your life must be so boring that you instigate wars on Getbig for attention.

it takes to sides to wage war , stop acting like you're above the nonsense when you're knee deep in it  and like I've said many , many times before if I was so wrong , and so insane , and so far off base the truce thread would have been 2 pages , any thread I posted in or the name " Dorian Yates " appears in its a sure bet it will be big ever wonder why? 

I walked away from the truce thread something you , Hulkster , pumpster , etc couldn't do  the truce thread follows ME ever wonder why?

you believe what you want Neo I have no control over your perception I can only correct your ignorance 

[Hulkster]

Sure , sure I'm no longer in the Truce thread and low and behold , Neo , Hulkster , pumpster and the rest of camp-delusional are following me around thats blatantly obvious , you're a child begging for my attention and if the mood strikes me I'll throw you a bone until you bore me and the I send you to your room

of course your no longer in the truce thread.

you pulled a Kevin Thorton and ran away when you couldn't counter the evidence anymore..lol

[NarcissisticDeity]

of course your no longer in the truce thread.

you pulled a Kevin Thorton and ran away when you couldn't counter the evidence anymore..lol

Thats your spin  people with nothing vested in this debate refer to you as ' retard ' lol