1993 - best ever!

[England_1]

Dorian Yates is most definitely the greatest BB of all time - the attention to detail, the focus, the dedication, and most importantly the physique he brought to the stage. He simply annihilated his competition at his best. In 93 it was like a man versus a group of boys. No one matched Dorian's condition. Ronnie got bigger, but it was water logged mass. The only time Ronnie came close to Dorian's condition was 1998 when he was 247lbs - 10lbs less than the standard Dorian set in 93.

[pumpster]

Dorian Yates is most definitely the greatest BB of all time

Well since you said it, it must be true.

[pumpster]

And what did his big arms and fake calves get him?  10th place

Ya like placings mean much when the GH man's dominated by so many.

[Mr.1derful]

Denny Crane: Standing and motioning to the chair across from his desk. Oh, please come in.
Ronnie Coleman: Sure, I’m thrilled, actually and a little stunned. I’ve worked here for six years and I don’t believe I’ve actually been in your office (gestures to "raise the roof").
Denny Crane: Actually, I’m afraid the circumstances of this meeting are not pleasant.
Ronnie Coleman: Oh.
Denny Crane: We’re letting you go.
Ronnie Coleman: What? Why?
Denny Crane: It’s not that your performance hasn’t been good, I’m told you do fine fine work. But since the title of "Greatest of All-Time" is not in your future… we prefer to let those bodybuilders go rather than mislead them, it’s only fair.
Ronnie Coleman: Would you mind telling me why that title's not in my future?
Denny Crane: Not at all. You’re fat.
Ronnie Coleman: Excuse me.
Denny Crane: We can’t have fat people working at Crane Poole and Schmidt. That’s all, and seriously, thank you for your past work, I mean that.
Ronnie Coleman: So, I’m being fired because I’m fat?
Denny Crane: Yes, off you go now.

Denny Crane

[pumpster]

bwahahaahahaha the GH man redux.

[alnassak]

by the way ..

who is the worst Mr.O ever

isn't it Dorian ..

[Emmortal]

No it's not a ' relative statement based on opinion only ' it's a fact Ronnie had bitch tits and it's also a fact that his gut was worse due to the fact he had a shorter torso , his gut protruded like no other even at very light weights , he was listed at 244-247 pounds and looked pregnant , Dorian had a ' longer ' torso so his didn't protrude as much in fact at a similar weight 1991/1992 Mr Olympia he had NO gut what so ever

and again I disagree it that it all comes down to personal preference , it all comes down to who meets the IFBB judging criteria better.

Oh god, you're as delusional as Hulkster 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ya like placings mean much when the GH man's dominated by so many.

They mean nothing to you because he's white and beat your ebony heros , either all judging is fixed or no judging is fixed stop trying to have your cake and eat it too.

you always claim ' politics ' yet have no explanation for 2001 as usual you have nothing because you know nothing .

[NarcissisticDeity]

Oh god, you're as delusional as Hulkster 

I like how you offer up no response but an ad hominem attack , thanks for playing .

[webcake]

Good...but not as good as Ronnie...that's for sure...no doubt about it...set in stone...the truth right there...

[NarcissisticDeity]

Flex Magazine Dec. '08: "...Dorian Yates revolutionized bodybuilding more than any other Mr. Olympia, save Schwarzenegger." 

Must have seen the light and changed his mind.  Looks like big Bubba's living under a big Shadow once again.

Great post !

[Bear]

  Then let's compare Dorian at 300 lbs off-season to Ronnie. It's only fair. I mean, if you are going to completely ignore Ronnie's 2003 shitty conditioning and horrible symmetry in favor of his size, then I see no reason why I should compare a perfectly symmetrical, superbly conditoned 260 lbs Dorian to a fat, edema-ridden and grossly assymetrical 290 lb Ronnie. Dorian had a visible four-pack and christmas-tree  at 305 lbs off-season, so he would probably be just as ripped and dry at 287 lbs as Ronnie.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Well you can post those puffy-no-arms pics of Dorian the quadless if you want, they were certainly a big deal in the mid-90s and you are older than me so I understand the impact people must have felt at the time, but objectively speaking 287lb Coleman has more ripped glutes and hams than Dorian ever had. And ripped glutes do not a badly conditioned bodybuilder make.

[crc69]

by the way ..
who is the worst Mr.O ever
isn't it Dorian ..

Right, by far.
Dorian, then Dickerson
Dorian killed bodybuilding with his terrible GH gut.

[Mr.1derful]

Dorian set the standard in 1993, which has not been matched or surpassed.  While I believe he was even better in 1995, it was 1993 where there were not yet any muscle tears to detract in any way from his greatness.  Simply put, Dorian presented the most complete and conditioned physique to grace an IFBB stage, even to this day.  Critics of Dorian's reign, try as they might, cannot realistically dispute this or provide evidence of a more complete champion.  Their partisan views are equally as apparent as the flaws displayed by their personal favorites, whether it be missing calves, backs, gyno or synthol filled bodyparts. The 1993 incarnation of Dorian's physique exhibited none of such flaws.

[suckmymuscle]

Well you can post those puffy-no-arms pics of Dorian the quadless if you want, they were certainly a big deal in the mid-90s and you are older than me so I understand the impact people must have felt at the time, but objectively speaking 287lb Coleman has more ripped glutes and hams than Dorian ever had. And ripped glutes do not a badly conditioned bodybuilder make.

  So what? Dorian at 287 lbs would be less water logged and would have superior definition to his back and a smaller gut. If Dorian had a visible four-pack and christmas-tree at 305 lbs off-season, then it's not hard to conclude that he would be more than competitive with Ronnie in terms of conditioning when weighting 18 lbs less. I dpn't know if you're aware of this, but Ronnie ws not exactly Mr.Conditioning at the 2003 Mr.Olympia.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NeoSeminole]

Dorian set the standard in 1993, which has not been matched or surpassed.  While I believe he was even better in 1995, it was 1993 where there were not yet any muscle tears to detract in any way from his greatness.  Simply put, Dorian presented the most complete and conditioned physique to grace an IFBB stage, even to this day.  Critics of Dorian's reign, try as they might, cannot realistically dispute this or provide evidence of a more complete champion.  Their partisan views are equally as apparent as the flaws displayed by their personal favorites, whether it be missing calves, backs, gyno or synthol filled bodyparts. The 1993 incarnation of Dorian's physique exhibited none of such flaws.

Team Flex – http://www.flexonline.com/training/49

"We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever - unbeatable."

Raymond Cassar – Muscletime Editor and Photographer

"There is no one alive that can beat Ronnie Coleman when he is at his best - No One! (and his best for me was when he won the 2001 Arnold Classic)"

http://www.muscletime.com/news/contest-results/2007-mr-olympia-analysis

Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005

"Ronnie sporting that [01 ASC] look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."

[NeoSeminole]

So what? Dorian at 287 lbs would be less water logged and would have superior definition to his back and a smaller gut. If Dorian had a visible four-pack and christmas-tree at 305 lbs off-season, then it's not hard to conclude that he would be more than competitive with Ronnie in terms of conditioning when weighting 18 lbs less. I dpn't know if you're aware of this, but Ronnie ws not exactly Mr.Conditioning at the 2003 Mr.Olympia.

ha ha ha, I love how you try to connect the dots. "If this... then that." LOL. I'll believe it when I see pics.

[Mr.1derful]

Simply put, where are the weak spots on 1993 Yates's physique?  You can't point out any, because nothing is missing.  Thanks again for playing.  You'll receive the Getbig home game and a copy of Ronnie Coleman's "Calf Training for Dummies." - forward by Lou Ferrigno.

[NeoSeminole]

Simply put, where are the weak spots on 1993 Yates's physique?  You can't point out any, because nothing is missing.  Thanks again for playing.  You'll receive the Getbig home game and a copy of Ronnie Coleman's "Calf Training for Dummies." - forward by Lou Ferrigno.

you're missing the point. I could say the same about Shawn Ray, "Where are the weak spots?" It's not that Dorian wasn't great. To put it simply, Ronnie was better.

[johnny1]

Dorian set the standard in 1993, which has not been matched or surpassed.  While I believe he was even better in 1995, it was 1993 where there were not yet any muscle tears to detract in any way from his greatness.  Simply put, Dorian presented the most complete and conditioned physique to grace an IFBB stage, even to this day.  Critics of Dorian's reign, try as they might, cannot realistically dispute this or provide evidence of a more complete champion.  Their partisan views are equally as apparent as the flaws displayed by their personal favorites, whether it be missing calves, backs, gyno or synthol filled bodyparts. The 1993 incarnation of Dorian's physique exhibited none of such flaws.

Good point which the Coleman lot won,t take in, in a constructive sence, and they will always fire back with Dorians GH gut and ripped bicep (witch was not there on a prime 93 Yates) ....and yet don,t want to discuss Ronnie's shortcomings especially the GYNO and CALF issue and in later years his GH gut that really did set a new STANDARD among Olympia champions, from head to toe a prime Dorian Yates was and still is the most COMPLETE Mr O champion ever...bar none which is WHY he lost just 2 times only in his Pro Dominance, as visually awesome as Big Ron was he was NEVER as COMPLETE from head to toe as Dorian Yates but its probally because of "politics" that Dorian was only Defeated 2 times and its probally because of "politics" that Ronnie was Defeated more times than Dorian's whole Pro competitive career...yeah thats it...its got to be...Ronnie's bigger and more massive than Dorian....yeah there you go...

[NarcissisticDeity]

Dorian set the standard in 1993, which has not been matched or surpassed.  While I believe he was even better in 1995, it was 1993 where there were not yet any muscle tears to detract in any way from his greatness.  Simply put, Dorian presented the most complete and conditioned physique to grace an IFBB stage, even to this day.  Critics of Dorian's reign, try as they might, cannot realistically dispute this or provide evidence of a more complete champion.  Their partisan views are equally as apparent as the flaws displayed by their personal favorites, whether it be missing calves, backs, gyno or synthol filled bodyparts. The 1993 incarnation of Dorian's physique exhibited none of such flaws.

Exactly Dorian was missing nothing in 1993 he had size , unmatched density & dryness , he lacked no muscle group , he looked great from all angles , his posing was worked for his physique and he knew how to present his physique to his best , he was complete from head to toe , was Ronnie? NO

2001 Ronnie was at least 10 pounds lighter , couldn't match Dorian in terms of density & dryness , was incomplete and never mind his posing , Dorian was and is still to this day the most complete Mr Olympia ever , his physique in 1993 lacked nothing .

[NarcissisticDeity]

No snythol , no torn muscles , no bitch tits , no weaknesses , no excuses

[Mr.1derful]

you're missing the point. I could say the same about Shawn Ray, "Where are the weak spots?" It's not that Dorian wasn't great. To put it simply, Ronnie was better.

Shawn Ray was to Dorian, what Franco was compared to Arnold. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Shawn Ray was to Dorian, what Franco was compared to Arnold. 

Weaknesses on Shawn Ray? lol lack of mass , height , high calves , short legs longish torso , no back width what so ever narrow clavicles , , he had an awesome physique no doubts but the sport past him by eons ago

[Earl1972]

Simply put, where are the weak spots on 1993 Yates's physique?  You can't point out any, because nothing is missing.  Thanks again for playing.  You'll receive the Getbig home game and a copy of Ronnie Coleman's "Calf Training for Dummies." - forward by Lou Ferrigno.

small arms
calves too big for his quads
quads lacked cuts
wide waist
strange gap between lower part of inner chest
somewhat shallow chest

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