1993 - best ever!

[England_1]

Pumpster the troll getting owned as usual LOL. It's too easy.

Dorian presented the greatest physique ever seen on the Mr. O stage.

[johnny1]

Shall I continue? 

Bloody hell those are some shots of Dorian hitting the side tricep you don,t see to often UNBEALIVABLE from head to toe Massive, dence as hell, propotioned, Complete, ripped etc....

[Mr.1derful]

It is notable that the title of the thread references 1993 as the year whereby Yates presented a physique many believe befitting of the moniker of best or greatest ever.  The usual suspects seeking the refute such a claim have attempted to do so by posting slanted and rather poor photographic representations from OTHER years.  Such feeble attempts only serve to reinforce the complete and unparalleled development Yates had in 1993 and the futility of trying to prove otherwise.  That being said, if critics of Yates want to pander to their biases with pics from later years, I shall do likewise with those from 1995, that despite a biceps tear, display a physique that I would estimate as being superior even to that of 1993.  All these years later and still, it has only been Yates himself who could surpass the standard he set in 1993.  I will avoid posting a single back shot, as we all know that to be academic for Yates; however, of particular interest to naysayers is Yates's dominance in the side and front mandatories shown. 

[johnny1]

The most complete side tricep of any MR OLYMPIA ever, massive, dence, Proportioned, and as dry as Hell.

[d0nny2600]

The most complete side tricep of any MR OLYMPIA ever, massive, dence, Proportioned, and as dry as Hell.

Incredible. That was never duplicated.

[Bear]

  So what? Dorian at 287 lbs would be less water logged and would have superior definition to his back and a smaller gut. If Dorian had a visible four-pack and christmas-tree at 305 lbs off-season, then it's not hard to conclude that he would be more than competitive with Ronnie in terms of conditioning when weighting 18 lbs less. I dpn't know if you're aware of this, but Ronnie ws not exactly Mr.Conditioning at the 2003 Mr.Olympia.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

SUCKMYMUSCLE

I don't think I was aware of that actually. Milos Sarcev estimated him to be 3% bodyfat at that comp. Maybe not the dryest throughout the whole comp but certainly in a lot of shots he was dry enough and vascular enough to make everyone else look flat as a pancake, and decidedly small. Dorian never competed anywhere 287lb, which I know shouldn't matter, but you still can't come out with such unfounded tripe as "well if Dorian competed at 287lb he's be more ripped than Ronnie was ", because Dorian never got near that. I could just retort with "well, if Ronnie was 400lb then he'd be much bigger and more ripped than Dorian". It's speculative nonsense. Dorian at 305 still  had weird stick arms, fact. Massive bloated belly and undersized quads by today's standards too, if you actually look at them and not his awesome calves. HUGE back, yes, but don't overlook these other things, and don't make stuff up.

[Fatpanda]

  So what? Dorian at 287 lbs would be less water logged and would have superior definition to his back and a smaller gut. If Dorian had a visible four-pack and christmas-tree at 305 lbs off-season, then it's not hard to conclude that he would be more than competitive with Ronnie in terms of conditioning when weighting 18 lbs less. I dpn't know if you're aware of this, but Ronnie ws not exactly Mr.Conditioning at the 2003 Mr.Olympia.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

SUCKMYMUSCLE

you are joking right ? 

[d0nny2600]

you are joking right ? 

I think Big Ron is incredible but why in gods name does he have to shove his trunks up his ass?

[Fatpanda]

I think Big Ron is incredible but why in gods name does he have to shove his trunks up his ass?

[Gino30]

It was brutal muscle....yet proportioned and dry....

Dorian exuded something intangible that no one else has ever had

those calves alone....jesus

he had this awe-inspiring aura....

jay, levrone, corimer and wheeler all gunned for Ronnie and truly believed they were better

NO ONE believed they ever had Dorians measure....even Haney quietly left the stage after what he saw in 1991

[Fatpanda]

It was brutal muscle....yet proportioned and dry....

Dorian exuded something intangible that no one else has ever had

those calves alone....jesus

he had this awe-inspiring aura....

jay, levrone, corimer and wheeler all gunned for Ronnie and truly believed they were better

NO ONE believed they ever had Dorians measure....even Haney quietly left the stage after what he saw in 1991

everyone felt this way about ronnie after 2003

[WillGrant]

It is notable that the title of the thread references 1993 as the year whereby Yates presented a physique many believe befitting of the moniker of best or greatest ever.  The usual suspects seeking the refute such a claim have attempted to do so by posting slanted and rather poor photographic representations from OTHER years.  Such feeble attempts only serve to reinforce the complete and unparalleled development Yates had in 1993 and the futility of trying to prove otherwise.  That being said, if critics of Yates want to pander to their biases with pics from later years, I shall do likewise with those from 1995, that despite a biceps tear, display a physique that I would estimate as being superior even to that of 1993.  All these years later and still, it has only been Yates himself who could surpass the standard he set in 1993.  I will avoid posting a single back shot, as we all know that to be academic for Yates; however, of particular interest to naysayers is Yates's dominance in the side and front mandatories shown. 

great post mate.

[sculpture]

The most complete side tricep of any MR OLYMPIA ever, massive, dence, Proportioned, and as dry as Hell.

Why does his stomach practically protude out as far in his chest - in all side tri shots?

I think you need to seriously review your criteria for "most complete side tricep"

[Hulkster]

It is notable that the title of the thread references 1993 as the year whereby Yates presented a physique many believe befitting of the moniker of best or greatest ever.  The usual suspects seeking the refute such a claim have attempted to do so by posting slanted and rather poor photographic representations from OTHER years.  Such feeble attempts only serve to reinforce the complete and unparalleled development Yates had in 1993 and the futility of trying to prove otherwise.  That being said, if critics of Yates want to pander to their biases with pics from later years, I shall do likewise with those from 1995, that despite a biceps tear, display a physique that I would estimate as being superior even to that of 1993.  All these years later and still, it has only been Yates himself who could surpass the standard he set in 1993.  I will avoid posting a single back shot, as we all know that to be academic for Yates; however, of particular interest to naysayers is Yates's dominance in the side and front mandatories shown. 

shear dominance? LOL

look at the lat spread you posted with shawn for example.

shawn has better chest, way better quads, better arms etc.

dorian's quads were some of the worst onstage in the top 6 - always.

look at his arms in the lat spread - small and detail-less.

dorian had major flaws that the judges never marked him down for.

thats why he has such a reputatation esp. post tear of being such a gifted mr. o...

you could have picked some way better shots that for you to show his supposed dominance from the front.

actually - no you couldn't - because as all the muscletime pics show, he was not very dominant from the front at all...

[QuakerOats]

hahahaha, Dorian getting owned beyond belief by Shawn and Levrone, he never stood a chance against this monster.

[pumpster]

Why does his stomach practically protude out as far in his chest - in all side tri shots?

I think you need to seriously review your criteria for "most complete side tricep"

hahaa these nerds are so busy contratulating one another for their good taste that they conveniently ignore both the gut and the fact that he's not blowing away any these guys in the side-tri and clearly has less triceps size.

[pumpster]

It is notable that the title of the thread references 1993 as the year whereby Yates presented a physique many believe befitting of the moniker of best or greatest ever.  The usual suspects seeking the refute such a claim have attempted to do so by posting slanted and rather poor photographic representations from OTHER years.  Such feeble attempts only serve to reinforce the complete and unparalleled development Yates had in 1993 and the futility of trying to prove otherwise.  That being said, if critics of Yates want to pander to their biases with pics from later years, I shall do likewise with those from 1995, that despite a biceps tear, display a physique that I would estimate as being superior even to that of 1993.  All these years later and still, it has only been Yates himself who could surpass the standard he set in 1993.  I will avoid posting a single back shot, as we all know that to be academic for Yates; however, of particular interest to naysayers is Yates's dominance in the side and front mandatories shown. 

Meandering, long-winded internet diahhrea LOL Grammatically suspect, obviously from the brilliant ND school of logic.

Yates is smooth and lacking detail on the front shots.

[Hulkster]

fact is, dorian got routinely bested by shawn from  the front.

and in 94, he actually had a better rear double bi than dorian too.

these are from 95, and you can see how badly shawn owned dorian:

[Hulkster]

its always so funny watching the yates nuthuggers try and explain verbally how he supposedly 'dominates' from the front lol

and then they post pics showing him getting dominATED from the front LOL

fact is, Yates was nothing special from the front.

never was.

[sculpture]

Meandering, long-winded internet diahhrea LOL Grammatically suspect, obviously from the brilliant ND school of logic.

Yates is smooth and lacking detail on the front shots.

My sentiments exact. Flowery and over eloquent. Initially impressive but on closer inspection full of shit.

[pumpster]

My sentiments exact. Flowery and over eloquent. Initially impressive but on closer inspection full of shit.

Pics are worth more than thousands of words of tripe.

EL-SMOOTHO with paunch getting killed.

[Mr.1derful]

It is notable that the title of the thread references 1993 as the year whereby Yates presented a physique many believe befitting of the moniker of best or greatest ever.  The usual suspects seeking the refute such a claim have attempted to do so by posting slanted and rather poor photographic representations from OTHER years.  Such feeble attempts only serve to reinforce the complete and unparalleled development Yates had in 1993 and the futility of trying to prove otherwise.  That being said, if critics of Yates want to pander to their biases with pics from later years, I shall do likewise with those from 1995, that despite a biceps tear, display a physique that I would estimate as being superior even to that of 1993.  All these years later and still, it has only been Yates himself who could surpass the standard he set in 1993.  I will avoid posting a single back shot, as we all know that to be academic for Yates; however, of particular interest to naysayers is Yates's dominance in the side and front mandatories shown. 

As I was saying.

[sculpture]

94 is hardly "later years".

I'm interested in what you define as "poor photographic representations". Do you mean poor quality shots? Or are you suggesting that despite being unflattering to yates, they merely caught him at a "bad" moment and ihe didnt infact look like shit.

Do you subscribe to the theory that yates looked better in real life than in pictures?

That despite looking poor relative to his contemporaries, in real life the situation was magically reversed hence him being awarded first place.

[suckmymuscle]

I don't think I was aware of that actually. Milos Sarcev estimated him to be 3% bodyfat at that comp. Maybe not the dryest throughout the whole comp but certainly in a lot of shots he was dry enough and vascular enough to make everyone else look flat as a pancake, and decidedly small. Dorian never competed anywhere 287lb, which I know shouldn't matter, but you still can't come out with such unfounded tripe as "well if Dorian competed at 287lb he's be more ripped than Ronnie was ", because Dorian never got near that. I could just retort with "well, if Ronnie was 400lb then he'd be much bigger and more ripped than Dorian". It's speculative nonsense. Dorian at 305 still  had weird stick arms, fact. Massive bloated belly and undersized quads by today's standards too, if you actually look at them and not his awesome calves. HUGE back, yes, but don't overlook these other things, and don't make stuff up.

  At 3% bodyfat he was not. No way, no how. He was clearly much more shredded at the 1998 Olympia and you can't go lower than 3% bodyfat without dying. So what did he have at the 98" Olympia? -10% bodyfat? Lol. A more reasonable supposition is that he was around 5% to 6% bodyfat. But it doesen't really matter, because the major difference in conditioning between the 98' Olympia and the 03' Olympia was water level. Level of subcutaneous water level becomes more important for muscular definition than bodyfat level once you go below around 7% bodyfat. The bottom line is this: Ronnie 2003 was not even remotely as conditioned as Dorian 95'. Not even in the same ball park. He had more muscle, yes, but a significant % of the weight advantage was fat and water. I am not making anything up. Just deal with the facts.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[IceCold]

shear dominance? LOL

look at the lat spread you posted with shawn for example.

shawn has better chest, way better quads, better arms etc.

dorian's quads were some of the worst onstage in the top 6 - always.

look at his arms in the lat spread - small and detail-less.

dorian had major flaws that the judges never marked him down for.

thats why he has such a reputatation esp. post tear of being such a gifted mr. o...

you could have picked some way better shots that for you to show his supposed dominance from the front.

actually - no you couldn't - because as all the muscletime pics show, he was not very dominant from the front at all...

wrong as always: