and you have been completely wrong every time.
you can't create what dorian didn't have.
oh wait, your friend ND does - he photoshops dorian pics, thats how insecure he is about ronnie's dominace over dorian.
he knows full well its not even close, just like you probably do too..
Lmao...since you insist, let's go over this yet one more time. Dorian 1995 vs Ronnie 1999: Ronnie would have no size advantage, and Dorian would actually be a little bigger by 3 lbs. Ronnie would have more definition to his arms and maybe front quads, but Dorian would have the thicker pecs with equal definition and bigger traps. Ronnie would have superior taper in the front poses, yes, but Dorian would have superior abs/serratus. From the back, Dorian has equaivalent or superior width and thickness to his back with greater definition, but it's a push. Assume they have equivalent backs with Dorian having the edge on some areas and Ronnie on others. Dorian still wins from the back because his calves are bigger and his ass smaller, creating better proportions. Dorian's lats also insert lower. So Dorian wins from the back despite they being equivalent in development essentially because Dorian has less symmetrical flaws. From the sides, Dorian has better calves, traps and serratus with essentially the same pec development, so Dorian wins due to superior symmetry. So let's analyse how these strengh and weaknesses of both bodybuilders would play out at a hypothetical matchup between them, both in the symmetry and muscularity rounds:
Symmetry round:
Front relaxed - Ronnie wins in account of superior skeletal and muscular symmetry. Ronnie has structural flaws, such as having a short torso and long legs, but Dorian's structural flaws of having wide, boxy hips is more severe a liablity in this specific pose. Dorian has superior abs, traps and calves. In terms of quads and pecs they are comparable. Ronnie is superior in terms of delts, biceps and taper. All things considered, the advantages Ronnie enjoys over Dorian supercede the ones Dorian has over Ronnie, so Coleman wins.
Side relaxed - Dorian wins hands down. If Nasser wasn't as thick from the sides at 285 lbs compared to a 255 lbs Dorian, then no way no how would Ronnie be comparable to Dorian at the same weight. In fact, Dorian at 260 lbs still holds his own against Coleman at 290 lbs in terms of thickness from the sides, so Dorian destroys Ronnie here in terms of development. When you add into the equation Dorian's superior symmetry evident by the fact that his triceps, calves and traps are in proportion from the sides whilst Ronnie's are not, it is a clear win for Dorian.
Back relaxed - Dorian has superior thickness to his back as well as definition in my opinion. In width they are comparable, although Ronnie might appear wider due to his smaller waist. Let's for the sake of the discussion deem they equal in terms of back. Dorian still wins the back relaxed because his symmetry in this pose is superior: his calves, ass, traps and back are in proportion in relation to one another, whilst Ronnie's ass is too big in relation to his back and calves, and his calves are too small compared to his back and especially compared to his ass. Dorian wins this round.
Muscularity round:
Front double biceps - Ronnie wins on account of his superior taper as well as biceps although it overpowers the triceps a little bit. Both Dorian and Ronnie have biceps and triceps that are out of proportion with each other, but in this pose Dorian's biceps liability is more severe than Ronnie's triceps liability, so the edge goes to Ronnie. Coleman has superior taper and comparable everything else. They are pretty much the same in this mandatory except that Ronnie's arms look more impressive than Dorian, so this single advantage tips the scale in favor of Ronnie.
Front lat spread - Dorian wins, no doubt. He has everything on Ronnie in this mandatory, including taper. Much wider lats, superior traps, better abs, comparable quads and superior calves. From a symmetry standpoint Doran is incredibly superior to Ronnie, both from a muscular as well as structural point of view. Dorian's muscles are far more proportioned in relation to one another in this pose than Ronnie's, who has weak calves compared to his quads, ess dramatic lat-to-waist ratio and poor forearms compared to his biceps and triceps. From a structural standpoint, Ronnie's assymetry in the sense of having short torso lengh to excessively long legs is obvious. Dorian wins hands down.
Abs-and-thigs - Dorian's abs and serratus are better. His taper is also better despite having wider hips because his lats flare out so dramatically in this pose. In quads they are comparable in terms of size, although Ronnie might have an edge in cuts. In terms of symmetry, Dorian has better overral proportions with his taper being better, his calves and traps being bigger and thus being more proportional to the huge lats, whilst Ronnie's traps and especially calves are too small when compared to his huge lats. Overral, Dorian's advantages supercede Ronnie's in this mandatory and he wins flat out.
Side triceps - Dorian's edge in triceps size, lengh and cut give him a severe edge in this pose, just like Ronnie's advantage in biceps size, lengh and cuts give him and advantage in the front double biceps. Dorian's calves, traps and serratus are also superior. Dorian wins this pose from a symmetry standpoint as well because his calves are in proportion with his pecs and back when seen from the sides, whilst Ronnie's calves are way too weak for his pec and lat thickness when seen from the sides. Dorian wins the pose both from a muscular as well as symmetry standpoint, on account of having more massive muscles - only Ronnie's back, pecs and back are massive in this pose, whilst Dorian has massive back, pecs, traps, triceps and calves - and wins in symmetry on account of the fact that he has massive calves and triceps that are in proportion with his massive pecs trpas and back, while Ronnie's weak calves and triceps puts of his symmetry. Dorian wins.
Side chest - Dorian enjoys all the symmetry advantages elucidated above, but Ronnie might have the edge in pec thickness - debatable, because Dorian's pecs were far more developed from the sides than from the front, but let's give to Ronnie. Coleman might have the superior pecs, but Dorian has superior calves, serratus and, in my opinion, traps. This mandatory could go either way, because even though Dorian is far more complete in it in terms of symmetry and actually has more massive muscles in this pose than Ronnie - traps, calves and serratus -, Ronnie has better pecs.
Back double biceps - Dorian takes this one. You would have to be extremely generoud to give it to Ronnie. Dorian has superior thickness and defintion, and is equal in terms of width. He has superior traps. both in thickness and definition, superior erectores and teres major/minor. Dorian also has more massive calves. Overral, Dorian either ties or wins in terms of back, definitely wins in terms of traps and wins in terms of calves. So he wins this pose from a muscularity point of view. In terms of symmetry, Dorian has calves that are in proportion with the massive back, whilst Ronnie's calves are too small for the back. Dorian's ass is also more in proportion with the back, hamstrings, traps and calves than Ronnie's, which is too large for the aforementioned muscles in his body. The ass is a special case, because it is the one bodypart besides the abs that becomes out of proportion with the rest ofthe physique if it grows. When it comes to ass in male bodybuilders, the smaller the better, as a big ass is a feminine trait.
Rear lat spread - Comparable lat spread for them both. Dorian has superior traps, calves and ass. Picking at straws, Dorian wins in terms of back because his christmas-tree is thicker in the rear lat spread and his erectores are also more developed. In terms of symmetry, he once again wins on account of his bigger calves and smaller ass, which are more in proportion to his massive back than Ronnie's calves and ass, which are too small and too big respectively in comparison to his back.
So final score:
Dorian wins 5 of the 7 mandatories of the muscularity round and 2 of the 3 angles from the symmetry round. Now, this is only measuring muscularity and symmetry in the 3 angles of the symmetry round and in the mandatories. I am not including conditioning, which also goes to Dorian hands down when compared to Ronnie 1999.SUCKMYMUSCLE
