1993 - best ever!

[Mr.1derful]

Don't forget the one with his little chapeau!  Ha ha.


Hawkeye and Trapper are lovin it!  To the victors go the spoils!

[Hulkster]

I see the nuthuggers are up to the same old shit.

posting pics of dorian standing by himself all the time, pretending that he didn't get his ass handed to him in front shots in contest after contest after contest..

yet still received 'perfect scores' 

care to explain how dorian could have recieved perfect scores while being bested in oh, about 80% of ALL shots from the front?

 

for a supposedly 'dominant' Mr. O, he sure got his ass handed to him all the fucking time :


and it only took me about 4 seconds to get these shots.

there are dozens and dozens more.

have fun explaining the perfect scores nuthuggers!

[Hulkster]

 

perfect score?

explain nuthuggers?

why is dorian so badly owned in so many shots?

never see that with peak Ronnie.

Never..

[Hulkster]

the dorian owning NEVER ENDS!

Nuthuggers, you are fucked in trying to corroborate the 'perfect scores' with this stuff:

have fun

[Hulkster]

no wonder Mr. 1derful never posts pics to go along with his verbal bullshit.

pics as always, are the nuthuggers worst enemy..

[Hulkster]

LOL I havent even got to the other contests yet!

honestly nuthuggers, how can you type such bullshit on a page knowing that dorian got owned this badly all the time?

how?

 

[Hulkster]

dorian's blowjob skills must have been top notch for him to score perfect all the time while getting CRUSHED..

 

[suckmymuscle]

 Lmao...since you insist, let's go over this yet one more time. Dorian 1995 vs Ronnie 1999: Ronnie would have no size advantage, and Dorian would actually be a little bigger by 3 lbs. Ronnie would have more definition to his arms and maybe front quads, but Dorian would have the thicker pecs with equal definition and bigger traps. Ronnie would have superior taper in the front poses, yes, but Dorian would have superior abs/serratus. From the back, Dorian has equaivalent or superior width and thickness to his back with greater definition, but it's a push. Assume they have equivalent backs with Dorian having the edge on some areas and Ronnie on others. Dorian still wins from the back because his calves are bigger and his ass smaller, creating better proportions. Dorian's lats also insert lower. So Dorian wins from the back despite they being equivalent in development essentially because Dorian has less symmetrical flaws. From the sides, Dorian has better calves, traps and serratus with essentially the same pec development, so Dorian wins due to superior symmetry. So let's analyse how these strengh and weaknesses of both bodybuilders would play out at a hypothetical matchup between them, both in the symmetry and muscularity rounds:

  Symmetry round:

  Front relaxed - Ronnie wins in account of superior skeletal and muscular symmetry. Ronnie has structural flaws, such as having a short torso and long legs, but Dorian's structural flaws of having wide, boxy hips is more severe a liablity in this specific pose. Dorian has superior abs, traps and calves. In terms of quads and pecs they are comparable. Ronnie is superior in terms of delts, biceps and taper. All things considered, the advantages Ronnie enjoys over Dorian supercede the ones Dorian has over Ronnie, so Coleman wins.

  Side relaxed - Dorian wins hands down. If Nasser wasn't as thick from the sides at 285 lbs compared to a 255 lbs Dorian, then no way no how would Ronnie be comparable to Dorian at the same weight. In fact, Dorian at 260 lbs still holds his own against Coleman at 290 lbs in terms of thickness from the sides, so Dorian destroys Ronnie here in terms of development. When you add into the equation Dorian's superior symmetry evident by the fact that his triceps, calves and traps are in proportion from the sides whilst Ronnie's are not, it is a clear win for Dorian.

  Back relaxed - Dorian has superior thickness to his back as well as definition in my opinion. In width they are comparable, although Ronnie might appear wider due to his smaller waist. Let's for the sake of the discussion deem they equal in terms of back. Dorian still wins the back relaxed because his symmetry in this pose is superior: his calves, ass, traps and back are in proportion in relation to one another, whilst Ronnie's ass is too big in relation to his back and calves, and his calves are too small compared to his back and especially compared to his ass. Dorian wins this round.

  Muscularity round:

  Front double biceps - Ronnie wins on account of his superior taper as well as biceps although it overpowers the triceps a little bit. Both Dorian and Ronnie have biceps and triceps that are out of proportion with each other, but in this pose Dorian's biceps liability is more severe than Ronnie's triceps liability, so the edge goes to Ronnie. Coleman has superior taper and comparable everything else. They are pretty much the same in this mandatory except that Ronnie's arms look more impressive than Dorian, so this single advantage tips the scale in favor of Ronnie.

  Front lat spread - Dorian wins, no doubt. He has everything on Ronnie in this mandatory, including taper. Much wider lats, superior traps, better abs, comparable quads and superior calves. From a symmetry standpoint Doran is incredibly superior to Ronnie, both from a muscular as well as structural point of view. Dorian's muscles are far more proportioned in relation to one another in this pose than Ronnie's, who has weak calves compared to his quads, ess dramatic lat-to-waist ratio and poor forearms compared to his biceps and triceps. From a structural standpoint, Ronnie's assymetry in the sense of having short torso lengh to excessively long legs is obvious. Dorian wins hands down.

  Abs-and-thigs - Dorian's abs and serratus are better. His taper is also better despite having wider hips because his lats flare out so dramatically in this pose. In quads they are comparable in terms of size, although Ronnie might have an edge in cuts. In terms of symmetry, Dorian has better overral proportions with his taper being better, his calves and traps being bigger and thus being more proportional to the huge lats, whilst Ronnie's traps and especially calves are too small when compared to his huge lats. Overral, Dorian's advantages supercede Ronnie's in this mandatory and he wins flat out.

  Side triceps - Dorian's edge in triceps size, lengh and cut give him a severe edge in this pose, just like Ronnie's advantage in biceps size, lengh and cuts give him and advantage in the front double biceps. Dorian's calves, traps and serratus are also superior. Dorian wins this pose from a symmetry standpoint as well because his calves are in proportion with his pecs and back when seen from the sides, whilst Ronnie's calves are way too weak for his pec and lat thickness when seen from the sides. Dorian wins the pose both from a muscular as well as symmetry standpoint, on account of having more massive muscles - only Ronnie's back, pecs and back are massive in this pose, whilst Dorian has massive back, pecs, traps, triceps and calves - and wins in symmetry on account of the fact that he has massive calves and triceps that are in proportion with his massive pecs trpas and back, while Ronnie's weak calves and triceps puts of his symmetry. Dorian wins.

  Side chest - Dorian enjoys all the symmetry advantages elucidated above, but Ronnie might have the edge in pec thickness - debatable, because Dorian's pecs were far more developed from the sides than from the front, but let's give to Ronnie. Coleman might have the superior pecs, but Dorian has superior calves, serratus and, in my opinion, traps. This mandatory could go either way, because even though Dorian is far more complete in it in terms of symmetry and actually has more massive muscles in this pose than Ronnie - traps, calves and serratus -, Ronnie has better pecs.

  Back double biceps - Dorian takes this one. You would have to be extremely generoud to give it to Ronnie. Dorian has superior thickness and defintion, and is equal in terms of width. He has superior traps. both in thickness and definition, superior erectores and teres major/minor. Dorian also has more massive calves. Overral, Dorian either ties or wins in terms of back, definitely wins in terms of traps and wins in terms of calves. So he wins this pose from a muscularity point of view. In terms of symmetry, Dorian has calves that are in proportion with the massive back, whilst Ronnie's calves are too small for the back. Dorian's ass is also more in proportion with the back, hamstrings, traps and calves than Ronnie's, which is too large for the aforementioned muscles in his body. The ass is a special case, because it is the one bodypart besides the abs that becomes out of proportion with the rest ofthe physique if it grows. When it comes to ass in male bodybuilders, the smaller the better, as a big ass is a feminine trait.

  Rear lat spread - Comparable lat spread for them both. Dorian has superior traps, calves and ass. Picking at straws, Dorian wins in terms of back because his christmas-tree is thicker in the rear lat spread and his erectores are also more developed. In terms of symmetry, he once again wins on account of his bigger calves and smaller ass, which are more in proportion to his massive back than Ronnie's calves and ass, which are too small and too big respectively in comparison to his back.

  So final score:

  Dorian wins 5 of the 7 mandatories of the muscularity round and 2 of the 3 angles from the symmetry round. Now, this is only measuring muscularity and symmetry in the 3 angles of the symmetry round and in the mandatories. I am not including conditioning, which also goes to Dorian hands down when compared to Ronnie 1999.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

  This post is the nail in the coffin of Ronnie, decisively explaining why Dorian 1995 defeats Ronnie 1999 by comparing both for muscularity and symmetry in the three rounds of the symmsetry round as well as in the seven mandatories and then adding up everything. That Dorian is superior is undeniable. Even if we are extremely generous and concede that the side chest and back double biceps could go either way, Dorian still wins overral. When you add Dorian's superior conditioning, it is over.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Hulkster]

why Dorian 1995 defeats Ronnie 1999

are you idiots for real?[/b]

 

[Hulkster]

LOL

99 ronnie makes 95 dorian look like he doesn't even train arms or quads LOL

and idiots like Suckmyasshole think 95 dorian would win LOL

 

please keep posting nuthuggers.

real life shots make it so easy to own you all.

please keep it up.

you are making your own destruction so damn EASY!

[Hulkster]

no wonder Mr. 1derful is afraid to post comparisons:

please keep typing the bullshit guys,

please.

its just so damn easy owning your asses with real life.

oh, why is this even being DEBATED:

like they said in the other thread, ronnie was from another planet compared to dorian..

[Hulkster]

Lee Haney knows why dorian got so many perfect scores despite getting owned so bloody often...


so do we all..

except idiots like suckmyasshole, ND, Mr. 1derful and england of course..

 

[sculpture]

no wonder Mr. 1derful is afraid to post comparisons:

please keep typing the bullshit guys,

please.

its just so damn easy owning your asses with real life.

oh, why is this even being DEBATED:

like they said in the other thread, ronnie was from another planet compared to dorian..

Ouch, that can't be 95 is it?

Not the most flattering of shots in one of yates supposedly "better"" years

[suckmymuscle]

LOL

99 ronnie makes 95 dorian look like he doesn't even train arms or quads LOL

and idiots like Suckmyasshole think 95 dorian would win LOL


please keep posting nuthuggers.

real life shots make it so easy to own you all.

please keep it up.

you are making your own destruction so damn EASY!

  Your problem, Huckster, is that you post pictures of Doran and Ronnie and then proclaim that Dorian is getting owned and that's your entire argument in a nutshell. Why is Dorian getting owned according to you? Because you say so. That's the sole reason. You present a completely biased view and base your entire reason for why Ronnie is better is based on your preference. I could do like you and post comparisons of Dorian and Ronnie and claim that Ronnie is getting owned and offer no explanations, and no one would be able to refute me since you can't argue with taste.

  But this is not how you can determine who is better between two bodybuilders. The only way to know who is better between Dorian 1995 and Ronnie 1999 is by comparing the degree of development of their muscles and the proportions between them in the three angles of the symmetry round and in the seven mandatories, and then add up their strengh/weaknesses. That's the only way. There is no other. When you do that, you come to the conlusion that Dorian is undoubtedly superior. I have been over this. That is, Dorian has more developed muscles than Ronnie than Ronnie has over Dorian in more of the 3 parts of the symmetry round and in the seven mandatories and less symmetrical liabilites. Adding conditioning, Dorian wins. Case closed, Huckster. You can bitch and moan all you want, but the bottom line is that bodbuilding is all about muscularity&symmetry of the body's muscles both overral and in specific poses, and Dorian wins handily.

SUCKMYMUSCLE
  

[Hulkster]

Ouch, that can't be 95 is it?

Not the most flattering of shots in one of yates supposedly "better"" years

yup, thats 95 all right.

just goes to show you the bullshit that went on...

and how even Yates' better years pale in comparison to the best Ronnie had to offer..

[Hulkster]

The only way to know who is better between Dorian 1995 and Ronnie 1999 is by comparing the degree of development of their muscles and the proportions between them in the three angles of the symmetry

yes, sucky, thats called bodybuilding...

oh, and when we do this, guess what?

dorian gets crushed:

sorry if you lack the knowledge to see this.

 

[suckmymuscle]

and how even Yates' better years pale in comparison to the best Ronnie had to offer..[/b]

  Dorian 1995 does not pale in comparison to Ronnie 1999 just because you say so! Your opinion does not constitute a statement of fact! Understand this, dumbass!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

yes, sucky, thats called bodybuilding...

oh, and when we do this, guess what?

dorian gets crushed:

sorry if you lack the knowledge to see this.

 

  Wow, you truly never learn, do you? I just proved that Dorian is superior comparing them to each other like the I.F.B.B does, evaluating their development and proportion in the three angles of the symmetry round and in the seven mandatories, and what does your dumbass do? You once again for the gazillionth time post the same pictures of Dorian and Ronnie and proclaim that Ronnie is better just because you prefer him. You don't even know how physiques are actually compared and how judges evaluate these things, because you are basing your entire conclusion that Dorian is getting owned on the arrogant and uneducated assumption that judges evaluate physique according to your opinion.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Mr.1derful]

  Wow, you truly never learn, do you? I just proved that Dorian is superior comparing them to each other like the I.F.B.B does, evaluating their development and proportion in the three angles of the symmetry round and in the seven mandatories, and what does your dumbass do? You once again for the gazillionth time post the same pictures of Dorian and Ronnie and proclaim that Ronnie is better just because you prefer him. You don't even know how physiques are actually compared and how judges evaluate these things, because you are basing your entire conclusion that Dorian is getting owned on the arrogant and uneducated assumption that judges evaluate physique according to your opinion.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Hulkster and the Trolls have bigger issues to worry about now.  They are now being owned by a 225 pound Austrian Oak in another thread.  It's been a tough week for them. 

[England_1]

Jesus, look at that "calf" 

[Hulkster]

 Dorian 1995 does not pale in comparison to Ronnie 1999 just because you say so! Your opinion does not constitute a statement of fact! Understand this, dumbass!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

actually Sucky, when the difference between ronnie 99 and dorian 95 is this great, yes, it is fact.

to argue otherwise is to show a complete lack of understanding about bb judging and the sport itself:

there is a reason why everyone keeps saying 'ronnie is from another planet compared to dorian"

this is why: and it is as real as you can get:

hope this helps.

[Hulkster]

look at that.

only someone completely ignorant of judging would say dorian 95 is better.

[Mr.1derful]

Meltdown!

[pumpster]

Meltdown!

Calm down junior, it's only systematic destruction of your hero.

[suckmymuscle]

actually Sucky, when the difference between ronnie 99 and dorian 95 is this great, yes, it is fact.

  I agree that the difference is considerable, but it favors Dorian and not Ronnie. Even if you give the back double biceps and side chest to Ronnie - and Dorian's combo of muscularity&symmetry is actually superior in both mandatories although very close - Dorian still wins overral by taking 4 mandatories and 2 angles in the symmetry round.

to argue otherwise is to show a complete lack of understanding about bb judging and the sport itself:

  If your opinion and the way I.F.B.B judges judge contests were analogous, then yes, that would be the case. Unfortunately for you, your opinion does not correpsopnd to how judges judge physique contests. Case in point: you had Ray winning the 94' Olympia and Flex winning the 93' Olympia, and neither of your opinions correspond to what actually transpired.

there is a reason why everyone keeps saying 'ronnie is from another planet compared to dorian"

  There are several reasons, as follows: Ronnie is a more contemporary Sandow-holder, and thus people remember what he looked at his best more than they remember what Yates looked at this best. As they say, our of sight, out of mind. The average intelligence of the population is low and that of Getbiggers even lower, so their opinion is not educated for the most part. And finally, when people say that Ronnie is from another planet, they are often refering to his overbloated 2003 form and not the 1999 form you sop much praise. Most people only care about sheer muscle size, which is why they favor 2003 Ronnie over Dorian, and completely ignore his grotesque gut, quads that overpowered torso, huge unmanly ass and overral shitty conditioning - although I admit that Ronnie 2003 was still pretty ripped in the crab shot.

this is why: and it is as real as you can get:

hope this helps.

  Again, stating your preference does not constitute a statement of fact. Dorian won the 95' Olympia far more dominantly than Ronnie won the 99' Olympia, receiving straight-firsts scores from all judges on both rounds over Levrone in the best shape of his career, whilst Ronnie 99' defeated an out of shape Wheeler with straight-firsts scores on only the muscularity round and not by an unanimous decision from the judges like in Dorian's case. Now go lick your wounds.

SUCKMYMUSCLE