Author Topic: Nasser Plays with Dorian.  (Read 7584 times)

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Re: Nasser Plays with Dorian.
« Reply #25 on: September 16, 2008, 01:18:33 PM »
No man check clearer pics and u will know that Nasser's quads were bigger and sharper than Dorian's.. Yes Dorian's calves were a little bit better but still Nasser had huge and good looking calves.. Check various pics and u will knw..

Nasser's quads were way better than Yates'. Yates had no sweep at all.

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Re: Nasser Plays with Dorian.
« Reply #26 on: September 16, 2008, 01:37:43 PM »
I always remember complaints of Nasser being weak from the back, not the side.

Nasser was amazing from the side (as the picture shows), but ND (who blindly follows judges' preferences) and certain judges claimed that he was weak from the side when favouring Dorian.  My comment was mainly addressing ND.

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Re: Nasser Plays with Dorian.
« Reply #27 on: September 16, 2008, 01:40:28 PM »
Nasser was amazing from the side (as the picture shows), but ND (who blindly follows judges' preferences) and certain judges claimed that he was weak from the side when favouring Dorian.  My comment was mainly addressing ND.

The judges preferences is the judging criteria don't get made at me because the judges did their job , 13 individual people all came to the same conclusion independently of each other that speaks volumes

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Re: Nasser Plays with Dorian.
« Reply #28 on: September 16, 2008, 01:42:34 PM »
You have to admit Nasser does look very good here from the side, thick and massive with a tight waist and abs.  ND always claims that Nasser was weak from the sides - this picture proves otherwise



I never said ' weak ' from the sides either I said thats where Dorian started to leave him for dead , very comparable from the front and even better depending on the year , from the sides Yates edges him out from the back left for dead .

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Re: Nasser Plays with Dorian.
« Reply #29 on: September 16, 2008, 01:43:01 PM »
The judges preferences is the judging criteria don't get made at me because the judges did their job , 13 individual people all came to the same conclusion independently of each other that speaks volumes

I don't have the stamina of Hulkster to go at it with you for hours (no pun intended :)) so how about we stick to my original point - based on this picture do you still think Nasser was weak from the side or a "one dimensional bodybuilder" as you've stated in the past?


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Re: Nasser Plays with Dorian.
« Reply #30 on: September 16, 2008, 01:49:42 PM »
I don't have the stamina of Hulkster to go at it with you for hours (no pun intended :)) so how about we stick to my original point - based on this picture do you still think Nasser was weak from the side or a "one dimensional bodybuilder" as you've stated in the past?



Compared to Dorian YES he could beat Dorian from the front depending on the year , from the sides Dorian was better and from the back forget it

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Re: Nasser Plays with Dorian.
« Reply #31 on: September 16, 2008, 02:00:10 PM »
Compared to Dorian YES he could beat Dorian from the front depending on the year , from the sides Dorian was better and from the back forget it

Can you show a single pic from the side of Yates in 97 as impressive as Nasser in the side-pic that is being posted here?  And no, waist caving outwards does not translate to look better from the side ;)

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Re: Nasser Plays with Dorian.
« Reply #32 on: September 16, 2008, 02:08:32 PM »
Can you show a single pic from the side of Yates in 97 as impressive as Nasser in the side-pic that is being posted here?  And no, waist caving outwards does not translate to look better from the side ;)

That pic isn't from 1997 its from 1996 , all sides shots from 97   ;)


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Re: Nasser Plays with Dorian.
« Reply #33 on: September 16, 2008, 02:10:40 PM »
That pic isn't from 1997 its from 1996 , all sides shots from 97   ;)



I guess you missed the part where I said, " And no, waist caving outwards does not translate to look better from the side " ;)

Thanks for playing though :)

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Re: Nasser Plays with Dorian.
« Reply #34 on: September 16, 2008, 02:12:12 PM »
 ;)

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Re: Nasser Plays with Dorian.
« Reply #35 on: September 16, 2008, 02:13:37 PM »
Can any Nasser fan post a picture of Nasser holding a Sandow trophy?  Oops, sorry.

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Re: Nasser Plays with Dorian.
« Reply #36 on: September 16, 2008, 02:16:03 PM »
I guess you missed the part where I said, " And no, waist caving outwards does not translate to look better from the side " ;)

Thanks for playing though :)

That would mean something if BigBobs judged contests  ;) you can hyperfocus on Yates' gut to try and forget Nasser's flaws from the sides but overall even with the gut Yates is better from the sides , Nasser doesn't even do the side chest shot correctly

When the two were compared , Nasser took the front double biceps and abs-and-thighs poses , but as soon as they turned to the side , Dorian's greater development , thickness and detail overshadowed Nasser , and when the champion's back came into play , it was all over. But Yates' overall superiority was only apparent in six comparisons ( three in the relaxed round , and three in the muscularity round ) that he and El Sonbaty were involved in , which accounted for about eight minutes of the two-hour prejudging. Head-to-toe , and when all the angles had been considered , Yates was the clear winner

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Re: Nasser Plays with Dorian.
« Reply #37 on: September 16, 2008, 02:17:29 PM »
Can any Nasser fan post a picture of Nasser holding a Sandow trophy?  Oops, sorry.

oh damn  :P

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Re: Nasser Plays with Dorian.
« Reply #38 on: September 16, 2008, 02:18:10 PM »
Can any Nasser fan post a picture of Nasser holding a Sandow trophy?  Oops, sorry.

true, but Nasser did not look like this: 8)

ps Hey HypocriticDeity, I see you are still clinging to the fact that the man who ran because he hated being proven wrong called me a retard.

how sad you are.

do you even have a job? you seem to post when the rest of us are working..

I assume they have a computer at McDonalds? LOL
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Re: Nasser Plays with Dorian.
« Reply #39 on: September 16, 2008, 02:23:29 PM »
true, but Nasser did not look like this: 8)

ps Hey HypocriticDeity, I see you are still clinging to the fact that the man who ran because he hated being proven wrong called me a retard.

how sad you are.

do you even have a job? you seem to post when the rest of us are working..

I assume they have a computer at McDonalds? LOL

Hulkster keep typing my name  ;)

hey how does it feel being reduced to ad hominem attacks and conspiracy theories because you can't counter any argument I put forward?

and which is it? and I on welfare or do I work at McDonalds?

yet another thread Hulkster puppy followed me to lol

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Re: Nasser Plays with Dorian.
« Reply #40 on: September 16, 2008, 02:44:53 PM »
  Hulkster and his sycophants don't seem to comprehend that resorting to ad hominem invective is an automatic admission of defeat. Why? Because when you can't retort to a man's arguments, the only thing left to do is to try to discredit his arguments by putting into question the man's character and capabilities. That, of course, invalidates the man's arguments by default. The rationale is this:

  "I can't reply to anything he said and everything he says seems very plausible, but since my opponent is a (insert pejorative adjectives) then any argument he makes is immediately suspect because he lacks the intellectual capability of being right on any issue, and his character is ignobile so he has ulterior motives for making these arguments other than a genuine desire to elucidate the truth."

  As Plato said twenty four centuries ago, making ad hominem attacks is the lowest that anyone can go in an argument, because it means that one is willing to insult his opponent's honor because he can't directly counter the opponent's arguments with logic. That is, it is both an admission of intellectual as well as moral superiority of the opponent. Why? First, because by resorting to ad hominem you are admitting that your opponent's arguments are too plausible and logical and that you lost the discussion since you can't counter them, and of the moral superiority of the opponent because you are willing to resort to crossing the line and attacking his honor in a last desperate attempt to win the argument and save face instead of gracefully admitting defeat like a man. Shame on you, Hulkster. Whether or not one agrees or disagrees with ND, he is a true gentleman and has showed for you a respect that you never retributed, and he has behaved with far more dignitas than all of you Ronnie supporters. He never posted insulting pictures of Ronnie like you do to Dorian, and he never insulted Ronnie verbally like you do to Dorian either.

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Re: Nasser Plays with Dorian.
« Reply #41 on: September 16, 2008, 04:03:28 PM »
  Hulkster and his sycophants don't seem to comprehend that resorting to ad hominem invective is an automatic admission of defeat. Why? Because when you can't retort to a man's arguments, the only thing left to do is to try to discredit his arguments by putting into question the man's character and capabilities. That, of course, invalidates the man's arguments by default. The rationale is this:

  "I can't reply to anything he said and everything he says seems very plausible, but since my opponent is a (insert pejorative adjectives) then any argument he makes is immediately suspect because he lacks the intellectual capability of being right on any issue, and his character is ignobile so he has ulterior motives for making these arguments other than a genuine desire to elucidate the truth."

  As Plato said twenty four centuries ago, making ad hominem attacks is the lowest that anyone can go in an argument, because it means that one is willing to insult his opponent's honor because he can't directly counter the opponent's arguments with logic. That is, it is both an admission of intellectual as well as moral superiority of the opponent. Why? First, because by resorting to ad hominem you are admitting that your opponent's arguments are too plausible and logical and that you lost the discussion since you can't counter them, and of the moral superiority of the opponent because you are willing to resort to crossing the line and attacking his honor in a last desperate attempt to win the argument and save face instead of gracefully admitting defeat like a man. Shame on you, Hulkster. Whether or not one agrees or disagrees with ND, he is a true gentleman and has showed for you a respect that you never retributed, and he has behaved with far more dignitas than all of you Ronnie supporters. He never posted insulting pictures of Ronnie like you do to Dorian, and he never insulted Ronnie verbally like you do to Dorian either.

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Re: Nasser Plays with Dorian.
« Reply #42 on: September 16, 2008, 04:11:28 PM »
  Hulkster and his sycophants don't seem to comprehend that resorting to ad hominem invective is an automatic admission of defeat. Why? Because when you can't retort to a man's arguments, the only thing left to do is to try to discredit his arguments by putting into question the man's character and capabilities. That, of course, invalidates the man's arguments by default. The rationale is this:

  "I can't reply to anything he said and everything he says seems very plausible, but since my opponent is a (insert pejorative adjectives) then any argument he makes is immediately suspect because he lacks the intellectual capability of being right on any issue, and his character is ignobile so he has ulterior motives for making these arguments other than a genuine desire to elucidate the truth."

  As Plato said twenty four centuries ago, making ad hominem attacks is the lowest that anyone can go in an argument, because it means that one is willing to insult his opponent's honor because he can't directly counter the opponent's arguments with logic. That is, it is both an admission of intellectual as well as moral superiority of the opponent. Why? First, because by resorting to ad hominem you are admitting that your opponent's arguments are too plausible and logical and that you lost the discussion since you can't counter them, and of the moral superiority of the opponent because you are willing to resort to crossing the line and attacking his honor in a last desperate attempt to win the argument and save face instead of gracefully admitting defeat like a man. Shame on you, Hulkster. Whether or not one agrees or disagrees with ND, he is a true gentleman and has showed for you a respect that you never retributed, and he has behaved with far more dignitas than all of you Ronnie supporters. He never posted insulting pictures of Ronnie like you do to Dorian, and he never insulted Ronnie verbally like you do to Dorian either.

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I mean no truer words have been spoken , dead on the money ! Great post as usual.

Hulkster = intellectually bankrupt

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Re: Nasser Plays with Dorian.
« Reply #43 on: September 16, 2008, 04:22:57 PM »
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and which is it? and I on welfare or do I work at McDonalds?

why not both? 8)
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Re: Nasser Plays with Dorian.
« Reply #44 on: September 16, 2008, 04:39:53 PM »
why not both? 8)

ad hominem

at the end of the day its all you have

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Re: Nasser Plays with Dorian.
« Reply #45 on: September 16, 2008, 09:33:06 PM »
  Hulkster and his sycophants don't seem to comprehend that resorting to ad hominem invective is an automatic admission of defeat. Why? Because when you can't retort to a man's arguments, the only thing left to do is to try to discredit his arguments by putting into question the man's character and capabilities. That, of course, invalidates the man's arguments by default. The rationale is this:

  "I can't reply to anything he said and everything he says seems very plausible, but since my opponent is a (insert pejorative adjectives) then any argument he makes is immediately suspect because he lacks the intellectual capability of being right on any issue, and his character is ignobile so he has ulterior motives for making these arguments other than a genuine desire to elucidate the truth."

  As Plato said twenty four centuries ago, making ad hominem attacks is the lowest that anyone can go in an argument, because it means that one is willing to insult his opponent's honor because he can't directly counter the opponent's arguments with logic. That is, it is both an admission of intellectual as well as moral superiority of the opponent. Why? First, because by resorting to ad hominem you are admitting that your opponent's arguments are too plausible and logical and that you lost the discussion since you can't counter them, and of the moral superiority of the opponent because you are willing to resort to crossing the line and attacking his honor in a last desperate attempt to win the argument and save face instead of gracefully admitting defeat like a man. Shame on you, Hulkster. Whether or not one agrees or disagrees with ND, he is a true gentleman and has showed for you a respect that you never retributed, and he has behaved with far more dignitas than all of you Ronnie supporters. He never posted insulting pictures of Ronnie like you do to Dorian, and he never insulted Ronnie verbally like you do to Dorian either.

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Impressive
Very nicely worded.

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Re: Nasser Plays with Dorian.
« Reply #46 on: September 16, 2008, 09:36:53 PM »
Impressive
Very nicely worded.


ND loves resorting to ad hominem attacks.

ND and suckymuscle have refuted Hulkster's arguements through faulty reasoning.

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Re: Nasser Plays with Dorian.
« Reply #47 on: September 17, 2008, 01:32:45 AM »
ND loves resorting to ad hominem attacks.

ND and suckymuscle have refuted Hulkster's arguements through faulty reasoning.

I loved how you typed ' faulty reasoning ' and then go on to make two blanket statements without backing them up that's great logic  ;)

I don't resort to ad homiem attacks , I don't need them. I've called people stupid & ignorant when it comes to the way competitive bodybuilding contests are judged , and that's a fact . I don't attack Ronnie or the way he articulates himself either , I'm above such nonsense. now some the names these guys have called me and Dorian lol it shows their desperation & frustration , again I can convey my point of view without them

And I never relied on ' faulty reasoning ' Hulkster has , ad homiem attacks , appeal to numbers , photoshopped pictures , made up quotes, strawmen, bias , preference , etc . Hulkster doesn't have an argument , he didn't and still doesn't know how the IFBB conducts Professional bodybuilding contests , he doesn't know the criteria , he didn't know that all rounds are physique rounds , he can't formulate an argument when he doesn't even know how the game is played . And what little he does commit to gets obliterated using the Official IFBB judging criteria

So you're wrong on all your points , and I didn't need to resort to blanket statements & ad homiem attacks to just crush your ' opinion ' . you're another one of my closeted fan-boy who hyper-focus on the messenger because you don't like the message , but don't fret I have plenty of them , you're not alone.  ;)

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Re: Nasser Plays with Dorian.
« Reply #48 on: September 17, 2008, 02:37:51 AM »
  Hulkster and his sycophants don't seem to comprehend that resorting to ad hominem invective is an automatic admission of defeat. Why? Because when you can't retort to a man's arguments, the only thing left to do is to try to discredit his arguments by putting into question the man's character and capabilities. That, of course, invalidates the man's arguments by default. The rationale is this:

  "I can't reply to anything he said and everything he says seems very plausible, but since my opponent is a (insert pejorative adjectives) then any argument he makes is immediately suspect because he lacks the intellectual capability of being right on any issue, and his character is ignobile so he has ulterior motives for making these arguments other than a genuine desire to elucidate the truth."

  As Plato said twenty four centuries ago, making ad hominem attacks is the lowest that anyone can go in an argument, because it means that one is willing to insult his opponent's honor because he can't directly counter the opponent's arguments with logic. That is, it is both an admission of intellectual as well as moral superiority of the opponent. Why? First, because by resorting to ad hominem you are admitting that your opponent's arguments are too plausible and logical and that you lost the discussion since you can't counter them, and of the moral superiority of the opponent because you are willing to resort to crossing the line and attacking his honor in a last desperate attempt to win the argument and save face instead of gracefully admitting defeat like a man. Shame on you, Hulkster. Whether or not one agrees or disagrees with ND, he is a true gentleman and has showed for you a respect that you never retributed, and he has behaved with far more dignitas than all of you Ronnie supporters. He never posted insulting pictures of Ronnie like you do to Dorian, and he never insulted Ronnie verbally like you do to Dorian either.

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Well spoken SUCKMYMUSCLE