Biden: Pay More Taxes to Show Patriotism

[240 is Back]

Because Obama will be taking MY money to give to lazy people? I don't think so.
Bigger government
Government health care
Taking money from high earners to give to low wage earners
Doubling cap gains
Government ran oil companies
I don't depend on the government to support my family, why shouldn't any able body person do the same?

Why are people "lazy" because they earn less than $250k?

Not everyone was born with the advantages you were.  You admitted you were 15 years old and your doctor was giving you AAS.  Do you know how many 15-year olds out there can't afford to eat?  And you were getting scripts for Deca at that age?


You're doing great for yourself - but Bush has hooked you (and others making $250k+) up sweet for the last 8 years.  You've had minimal taxes, and a war to invest all that extra money in.  A lot of repubs are loaded right now thanks to the Bush tax cuts, and the middle class has shrunk a LOT because of it.  The rich got richer.

But the poor got a hell of a lot poorer in the last 8 years.  

[Decker]

Biden just can't help himself.  How many more dumb comments can he make before November? 

Taxes are a necessary evil.  They are punitive.  There is nothing patriotic at all about people paying more taxes.  And this income thing is nonsense.  Many small business owners fall into this "high" income category.  Many people with families make this "high" income and are not wealthy.

He and B. Hussein need to cut the class warfare crap.

You are true class warrior.  Are you rich?  Why are you carrying water for the rich?  Don't you have yourself to worry about?

If taxes support and sustain the US way of life, isn't the payment of those taxes a tad bit patriotic?

It is to me and everyone else who is not so miserly and egotistical to think that they earned their money all by their lonesome....without gov. you guys would not make one thin dime. 

[240 is Back]

Then add in my property taxes.......1.25% = an additional $20,000 year

Yes, it totally sucks for you.  You're going to pay a lot more with Obama.

Hopefully you did what most rich people did during the last 8 years (and during every republican presidency).  You enjoyed the tax shelters, invested in their wars (Both Bushes started wars, and smart repubs invested in oil and military firm stocks like haliburton). 

With the extra $ you kept from taxes, quadrupling it in the market over the last 7 years of war, you could be sitting at close to a cool million right now in the bank.  You're prepared for a Dem presidency because, after all, you understand the importance of economic cycles, and you know that without a dem cycle to reset the lower and middle class, our society would falter.

You did all this, right?

[donrhummy]

WASHINGTON — Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden said Thursday that paying more in taxes is the patriotic thing to do for wealthier Americans. In a new TV ad that repeats widely debunked claims about the Democratic tax plan, the Republican campaign calls Obama’s tax increases “painful.”

Under the economic plan proposed by Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, people earning more than $250,000 a year would pay more in taxes while those earning less — the vast majority of American taxpayers — would receive a tax cut.

Although Republican John McCain claims that Obama would raise taxes, the independent Tax Policy Center and other groups conclude that four out of five U.S. households would receive tax cuts under Obama’s proposals.

“We want to take money and put it back in the pocket of middle-class people,” Biden said in an interview on ABC’s “Good Morning America.”

Noting that wealthier Americans would indeed pay more, Biden said: “It’s time to be patriotic … time to jump in, time to be part of the deal, time to help get America out of the rut.”

McCain released a television ad Thursday charging that Obama would increase the size of the federal government amid an economic crisis. Contending that “a big government casts a big shadow on us all,” the ad features the image of a shadow slowly covering a sleeping baby as a narrator misstates the reach of the Obama tax proposal.

“Obama and his liberal congressional allies want a massive government, billions in spending increases, wasteful pork,” the ad says. “And we would pay — painful income taxes, skyrocketing taxes on life savings, electricity and home heating oil. Can your family afford that?”The McCain campaign said the ad is set to run nationally.

Did you read your own post?!

The quote you bolded to "prove" your point was an ad by mccain. LOL, real unbiased info. Your post DID contain info from unbiased/non-partisan groups which say FOUR out of FIVE households would receive tax CUTS under Obama. Only if you earn more than $250,000 a year would you pay more than now.

[Dos Equis]

You are true class warrior.  Are you rich?  Why are you carrying water for the rich?  Don't you have yourself to worry about?

If taxes support and sustain the US way of life, isn't the payment of those taxes a tad bit patriotic?

It is to me and everyone else who is not so miserly and egotistical to think that they earned their money all by their lonesome....without gov. you guys would not make one thin dime. 

I'm carrying water for me and my country.     I worry about everyone.  I don't segregate the population and pit groups against each other.  That's a liberal, class warfare thing.   

No, paying taxes isn't patriotic.  As I said, it's a necessary evil.  People pay taxes because they don't want to go to jail and want some basic government services.  I haven't met anyone who loves paying taxes.  This patriotic line is a new one.  It will not fly. 

[TPSRPBBW-fan1]

WHAT DO YOU EXPECT A JEW TO SAY....

It's all about the MONEY with them.

don't you ever fucking say that, it's because of people like you that there was a holocaust.  So what if people earning more money pay more taxes? it's better than the current proposal of people who earn less pay more taxes.  If i probably ever heard someone say that in real life i would kill them.

[240 is Back]

Did you read your own post?!

The quote you bolded to "prove" your point was an ad by mccain. LOL, real unbiased info. Your post DID contain info from unbiased/non-partisan groups which say FOUR out of FIVE households would receive tax CUTS under Obama. Only if you earn more than $250,000 a year would you pay more than now.

Joe, he's right.  You just disproved McCain's claim.

[TPSRPBBW-fan1]

along with the fact that for the rest of us who earn less than 250,000, we're not lazy, we're normal people, fuck you too for thinking the rest of us just sit around and eat chips while you're slaving away.

[Decker]

I never said the rich pay 97%  of the taxes.  The rich pay roughly 50% of the taxes. 
How am I being a demagogue??  I'm stating facts, not playing on emotions.  I think you're doing that with the "rightwingers who would just as soon see a single mother left to the streets rather than a governmenatl program that could help her comment.  What the hell does that mean? 

It means that any tax on the rich is too much of a tax.  Under a progressive income tax system EVERYBODY PAYS THE SAME TAX RATE.  The more money earned, the higher tax for that amount in that particular bracket.  Just b/c some Jimdandy is in the 35% bracket does not mean he pays 35% on all money earned.

There's a difference in someone living off the gov't for years and someone who needs some assistance for a short time.  Besides, you're contradicting yourself.  The rich are the ones who carry the tax burden while a lot of these taxes are going to their government programs to support them.  How much are we (the tax payers) supposed to support someone who:

A: Doesn't pay their share of the tax burden?
B: Depends on government to keep food on their table.

Where's the contradiction?  As I pointed out, everybody pays the same tax rate at the same tax bracket--how is that not paying their fair share?  Most AFDC recipients are off the dole less than 2 years:

                         Percent of
Time on AFDC         Recipients
-------------------------------
Less than 7 months   19.0%
7 to 12 months       15.2
One to two years     19.3
Two to five years    26.9
Over five years      19.6

source: Overview of Entitlement Programs, Committee on Ways and Means, U.S. House of Representatives (U.S. Government Printing Office, 1994).

That's old Info too.  With Clinton's reformation of Welfare, they are kicked off even faster.

Seems to me these welfare programs should carry a big share of the blame on this economic problem. 
And did you know when Clinton issued his welfare reform Obama was against it??  It's true.

I was against Clinton's welfare reform too.  Welfare is about 1% of gov. expenditures.  What problem are you referring to?

[Howard]

WHY HAS BIDEN NOT DONATED MONEY TO THE US GOVERNMENT THEN?

Typical "tax and spend liberal" who wants to get in everyone else's wallet but has not taken the advanced initiative to pay extra taxes.

Hmmmm, I am not 100% for socialism , but considering how the deregulated investment banks worked out so well , I would opt for some new direction.
The republicans were unrestricted free markets or bust....and busted they did.

[Decker]

I'm carrying water for me and my country.     I worry about everyone.  I don't segregate the population and pit groups against each other.  That's a liberal, class warfare thing. 

Oh.  So you just ignore the reality that bills must be paid and that income tax is based on an ability to pay.  As an elitest apologist, you should know that not everybody is the same economically.  Honestly BB, I don't know where you pull that commie crap from, but there are real economic differences amongst the people.  

No, paying taxes isn't patriotic.  As I said, it's a necessary evil.  People pay taxes because they don't want to go to jail and want some basic government services.  I haven't met anyone who loves paying taxes.  This patriotic line is a new one.  It will not fly.

Who cares whether you love to pay your taxes.  It's your patriotic duty to support your country and our way of life.  

Or do you believe that you and your elite overlords--the rich--can use USA gov services and not pay for them?  

At least your honest.  

[headhuntersix]

Thee are taxes and there is the wasted and bloated government speding that will only get worse under Obama. U can cut taxes if we're not wasting money on every little thing, to include a preposed Universal healthcare system.

Howard I would agree except u had Dems in key positions in some of those organizations that robbed them blind. U had Dems whining that everybody deserved a house, u had idiots who had no business owning houses etc...now some of those Dems are key obama economic advisors.

[mightymouse72]

You are true class warrior.  Are you rich?  Why are you carrying water for the rich?  Don't you have yourself to worry about?

If taxes support and sustain the US way of life, isn't the payment of those taxes a tad bit patriotic?

It is to me and everyone else who is not so miserly and egotistical to think that they earned their money all by their lonesome....without gov. you guys would not make one thin dime. 

My lord, those are some dumb comments.

Without the gov't I wouldn't make a dime??  Last time I checked the US gov't isn't communisim.
We are capitalist.  Meaning the gov't doesn't control private business or their profits.

Carrying water for the rich??  Don't you understand at just about any job the bosses of the company are probably rich.  They control your pay and benefits.  And much much more.  If the gov't taxes them more don't you know that will affect you! 

~It will affect whatever product or service they are providing to us, THE CONSUMERS.  Because they will recover their lose by raising their prices. 
~They won't invest as nearly as much in the market.  Which will hurt other businesses and the economy

[Dos Equis]

Oh.  So you just ignore the reality that bills must be paid and that income tax is based on an ability to pay.  As an elitest apologist, you should know that not everybody is the same economically.  Honestly BB, I don't know where you pull that commie crap from, but there are real economic differences amongst the people.  
Who cares whether you love to pay your taxes.  It's your patriotic duty to support your country and our way of life.  

Or do you believe that you and your elite overlords--the rich--can use USA gov services and not pay for them?  

At least your honest.  

Who said bills don't have to be paid?  The taxpayers are paying the bills.  As a liberal apologist, you should know that high income earners pay the lion's share of the income taxes in this country and that many lower income people pay little if any income taxes.

And where exactly did I say there are no differences among people?  We're talking about segregating portions of the population and then punishing certain segments so some idiot politicians can pay for government programs.  I don't support those kinds of socialist ideas.        

[BM OUT]

Why are people "lazy" because they earn less than $250k?

Not everyone was born with the advantages you were.  You admitted you were 15 years old and your doctor was giving you AAS.  Do you know how many 15-year olds out there can't afford to eat?  And you were getting scripts for Deca at that age?


You're doing great for yourself - but Bush has hooked you (and others making $250k+) up sweet for the last 8 years.  You've had minimal taxes, and a war to invest all that extra money in.  A lot of repubs are loaded right now thanks to the Bush tax cuts, and the middle class has shrunk a LOT because of it.  The rich got richer.

But the poor got a hell of a lot poorer in the last 8 years.  

A 15 year old cant afford to eat?In America?Are you kidding me?Poor here means one television and basic cable.Anyone that is hungry in this country wants to be hungry or is too stupid to ask for help.Knock on the door of any church and tell them your hungry and I gurantee you will get fed.Stop being dramatic.You sound as silly as Obama.

[shootfighter1]

Please read, this is important.

Thats just in regards to income tax.  Obama's plan will raise all sorts of taxes.  The marriage tax, payroll taxes (which hurts all businesses), capital gains taxes (hurts all business owners, investros and trickles down to hiring practices and all employees), estate taxes, and taxes on some utilities.

I hear a report from an analyst group that says Obama's nationalized healthcare will NOT be covered under the tax increases he proposes....so guess what...it either gets abandoned or he finds new taxes!

[sgt. d]

coach wont recover

[The Coach]

Why are people "lazy" because they earn less than $250k?

Not everyone was born with the advantages you were.  You admitted you were 15 years old and your doctor was giving you AAS.  Do you know how many 15-year olds out there can't afford to eat?  And you were getting scripts for Deca at that age?


You're doing great for yourself - but Bush has hooked you (and others making $250k+) up sweet for the last 8 years.  You've had minimal taxes, and a war to invest all that extra money in.  A lot of repubs are loaded right now thanks to the Bush tax cuts, and the middle class has shrunk a LOT because of it.  The rich got richer.

But the poor got a hell of a lot poorer in the last 8 years.  

Rob, what advantages was I born with? I built my small business with almost nothing. As for when I was 15.....I was working for gym after school so I had my own money. I think at that time it was costing something like $15 for 1/2cc of deca and about $40 for 100 dbol tabs and I was only taking 1-2 tabs per day. You can't compare then to now, thats a rediculous comparison.

[The Coach]

Did you read your own post?!

The quote you bolded to "prove" your point was an ad by mccain. LOL, real unbiased info. Your post DID contain info from unbiased/non-partisan groups which say FOUR out of FIVE households would receive tax CUTS under Obama. Only if you earn more than $250,000 a year would you pay more than now.

You need to read between the lines. You think income tax is going to get cut, that being said Obama will raise taxes in other areas to make up for it. It's a scam.

[TPSRPBBW-fan1]

well, poverty in america isn't as hard to find as you think.  i work with a guy who needs to work 40 hours a week along with school to pay for his expenses.  Yes, you succeeded, but not everyone succeeds.  don't blame us.

[atafic]

Because Obama will be taking MY money to give to lazy people? I don't think so.

Government health care

Taking money from high earners to give to low wage earners

These are valid points, but aren't they the true foundation of Christianity ? Just wondering.

[Decker]

My lord, those are some dumb comments.

Without the gov't I wouldn't make a dime??  Last time I checked the US gov't isn't communisim.
We are capitalist.  Meaning the gov't doesn't control private business or their profits.

Last time I checked you didn't create your own education, safe food supply, property rights, potable water, freeways and....your own money, so the 'one thin dime' statement stands.  You know who did those things for you?  People acting under the direction provided by government.

Carrying water for the rich??  Don't you understand at just about any job the bosses of the company are probably rich.  They control your pay and benefits.  And much much more.  If the gov't taxes them more don't you know that will affect you! 

So what?  Spreading around the costs of the demands of our country is fine with me.  Insurance is predicated on that.  I have the same view of corporate taxation.

~It will affect whatever product or service they are providing to us, THE CONSUMERS.  Because they will recover their lose by raising their prices. 
~They won't invest as nearly as much in the market.  Which will hurt other businesses and the economy

You grossly overstate the effects of taxation.  Even when the US had a top income tax bracket of 91% back in the 1950s, the standard of living was high.  If these rich people don't want to put in the effort to earn more b/c the tax burdern is so heavy, then fuck them...let the free market knock them out of the equation b/c there's always somebody else willing to step in and grab the market share.  The free market in action.

[The Coach]

well, poverty in america isn't as hard to find as you think.  i work with a guy who needs to work 40 hours a week along with school to pay for his expenses.  Yes, you succeeded, but not everyone succeeds.  don't blame us.

So what your saying is because I succeeded (or trying to succeed) I should have to take from my family to pay for him? This is whats great about America, you can make as much or as little as you want. This isn't a socialist country but if Obama gets his way it will be almost communist.

[The Coach]

These are valid points, but aren't they the true foundation of Christianity ? Just wondering.

I give and donate money voluntarly and regularly, no one forces me, Obama wants to force me to give up money.

[The Coach]

PALIN'S NEW HAIRCUT - DESIGNED TO HIDE LISTENING DEVICE?

We all heard Romney getting caught red-handed receiving verbal cues during the Repub debates.

Will palin be getting a little help from her friends?  I guess we'll see shortly, if she changes her speaking pattern to include pausing every 5 seconds, as Bush did.

Reminds me of the moment Bush said "Let me finish" when no one else in the room was talking.

I guess we'll see how it works on its test run during the katie Couric interview.  If she takes a deep pause before responding to technical Qs, then answers in 5 second chunks, we'll know....

Oh Brother