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« Reply #125 on: September 27, 2008, 05:55:03 AM »
The point I'm trying to make is that any administration at that time would have taken the U.S out of debt due to the economic situation after the the gulf war, it had nothing to do with the Clinton administration.

Reagan had a tough economy just like Bush, not that I'm a big fan of Bush but with 911 he did not have an easy time.

You wanna see spending, vote in Obama...................

I'm talking about papa Bush. Under Reagan and him the US debt increased dramatically. Under Clinton it stabilized. If papa Bush had been re-elected would the same economic correction have taken place? Who knows but the facts are that under Clinton it did.

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« Reply #126 on: September 27, 2008, 05:57:15 AM »
Smart move on McCains part. cause he took it to Obama...."Obama just doesn't understand"

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« Reply #127 on: September 27, 2008, 06:15:28 AM »
I think Palin is as inexpierenced as Obama

STFU

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« Reply #128 on: September 27, 2008, 06:39:07 AM »
STFU

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240 post Obama's credits vs the woman.  Then...post here Katie interview.  Obama did well to play lax in the 1st debate.  As noted...Worthless USA Media was trying to sell him as an Angry Black Man.  Trying to play the same with his wife in which several have said on CNN.

Palin isnt running but she is a heartbeat and untreatable Cancer away from the top spot. 1st debate was a toss...because McCain got off of subject matter which was expected.  It was suppose to be about International matters...not Pig spending.  That's getting old now.  Economy and Global/Trade friends are McCains downfall...and he keeps the conversion away from them...but that's what we need at the moment...not a fight with Iran because of their WMD   :-\.  We've been down that road before.  It's time for a true change.
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« Reply #129 on: September 27, 2008, 06:42:55 AM »
 September 27, 2008,  1:47 am
The First Debate: A Win for Obama
By Michael A. Cohen

Michael A. Cohen is a senior research fellow at the New America Foundation and the author of “Live From the Campaign Trail: The Greatest Presidential Campaign Speeches of the 20th Century and How They Shaped Modern America.”

Any analysis of the first presidential debate in Oxford, Miss,. must begin with a simple question:What was each candidate trying to achieve?

For Barack Obama it was all about the half of all Americans who still think he lacks the requisite qualifications to be president. Would he seem knowledgeable and effective in talking about serious foreign policy issues? Would he be able to reassure them that they can trust him with the nation’s most powerful job? Would he be able to go toe-to-toe with John McCain.

For Mr. McCain, who is trailing in the polls and has had a rough two-week stretch since the financial crisis broke, he needed a clear victory Friday night. Considering that foreign policy is seen as his strong point he needed to portray Mr. Obama as naïve and inexperienced and not up to the job of commander in chief. More important, after his behavior of this past week, he needed to cultivate an air of statesmanship and counteract the growing chorus of recklessness being heard in the national media.

On a substantive level, both candidates acquitted themselves well. In a political vacuum, this debate would seem like a tie. But as any fan of baseball knows, the tie goes to the runner.

Well, in politics, the tie goes to the candidate who has the momentum and right now that candidate is Barack Obama and from that perspective the debate was an important tactical victory for him. He more than held his own and at times seemed more effective and knowledgeable than Mr. McCain whose efforts to paint his rival as inexperienced fell flat and occasionally seemed mean-spirited.

Beyond the mere question of expectations, Mr. Obama was far better at relating the debate to those issues that are of greatest concern to voters. His relentless message discipline was again on keen display.


Nowhere was that more evident than in the debate’s initial economic discussion. While neither candidate seemed willing to go on the record in support of the federal bailout plan now being negotiated in Washington, Mr. Obama talked about the financial crisis in terms of how it affected voters directly. He linked the turmoil on Wall Street to issues like health care and jobs, and he seemed more empathetic than Mr. McCain.

Mr. McCain spent much of the economic part of the debate talking about earmark spending. He mentioned it three times and was relentless in his focus on the scourge of government spending. As one TV commentator joked, he clearly has sewn up the anti-earmark segment of the electorate.

But it begs the question: Are Americans really concerned about government spending? At a time when there are warnings of another Great Depression, Mr. McCain’s incessant focus seemed off the mark and unhelpful.

On the larger foreign policy questions, Mr. McCain was far stronger and consistently hit his main talking points, particularly in describing his support for the surge in Iraq and raising doubt about the qualifications of his opponent. On the latter point, he said repeatedly that Mr. Obama “doesn’t understand” the key issues affecting the country. But he might have taken the point too far. Considering that more than half of all Americans support Mr. Obama’s view of the war in Iraq (namely that it was a mistake) and agree with him about the need to speak directly with foreign leaders who are enemies of the United States, Mr. McCain risked indirectly insulting voters who share Mr. Obama’s views. His constant refrain, while effective message discipline, may have brought diminishing returns for the candidate

In addition, it seems clear that Mr. McCain does not like his opponent. He never looked at him and even in the pre-debate handshake gave him an apparent cold shoulder. The result was that Mr. McCain at times seemed annoyed with Mr. Obama and unable to hide his contempt.

In contrast, Mr. Obama was restrained, even laconic, passing up numerous opportunities to aggressively counter-attack his opponent. At times he wandered too far into law professor mode, but for the supposedly less experienced candidate, there were no obvious mistakes or gaffes. It was a workmanlike performance. And the one word that came to mind when watching the Democratic nominee was “statesmanlike.” Even if you didn’t agree with Mr. Obama, it’s hard to argue that he didn’t come across as serious and sober.

Maybe this was purposeful; an effort to cultivate an image of the steady hand. His constant assertion that Mr. McCain was “right” or that he agreed with him seemed at times over the top, but likely appealed to undecided voters tired of partisanship in Washington.

In the end, Mr. Obama went into Friday night the clear favorite in the presidential election. Nothing that happened in Mississippi changed the direction of the race. And with less than 40 days until Election Day that means a win in Mr. Obama’s column.
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« Reply #130 on: September 27, 2008, 08:08:38 AM »
September 27, 2008,  1:47 am
The First Debate: A Win for Obama
By Michael A. Cohen

Michael A. Cohen is a senior research fellow at the New America Foundation and the author of “Live From the Campaign Trail: The Greatest Presidential Campaign Speeches of the 20th Century and How They Shaped Modern America.”

Any analysis of the first presidential debate in Oxford, Miss,. must begin with a simple question:What was each candidate trying to achieve?

For Barack Obama it was all about the half of all Americans who still think he lacks the requisite qualifications to be president. Would he seem knowledgeable and effective in talking about serious foreign policy issues? Would he be able to reassure them that they can trust him with the nation’s most powerful job? Would he be able to go toe-to-toe with John McCain.

For Mr. McCain, who is trailing in the polls and has had a rough two-week stretch since the financial crisis broke, he needed a clear victory Friday night. Considering that foreign policy is seen as his strong point he needed to portray Mr. Obama as naïve and inexperienced and not up to the job of commander in chief. More important, after his behavior of this past week, he needed to cultivate an air of statesmanship and counteract the growing chorus of recklessness being heard in the national media.

On a substantive level, both candidates acquitted themselves well. In a political vacuum, this debate would seem like a tie. But as any fan of baseball knows, the tie goes to the runner.

Well, in politics, the tie goes to the candidate who has the momentum and right now that candidate is Barack Obama and from that perspective the debate was an important tactical victory for him. He more than held his own and at times seemed more effective and knowledgeable than Mr. McCain whose efforts to paint his rival as inexperienced fell flat and occasionally seemed mean-spirited.

Beyond the mere question of expectations, Mr. Obama was far better at relating the debate to those issues that are of greatest concern to voters. His relentless message discipline was again on keen display.


Nowhere was that more evident than in the debate’s initial economic discussion. While neither candidate seemed willing to go on the record in support of the federal bailout plan now being negotiated in Washington, Mr. Obama talked about the financial crisis in terms of how it affected voters directly. He linked the turmoil on Wall Street to issues like health care and jobs, and he seemed more empathetic than Mr. McCain.

Mr. McCain spent much of the economic part of the debate talking about earmark spending. He mentioned it three times and was relentless in his focus on the scourge of government spending. As one TV commentator joked, he clearly has sewn up the anti-earmark segment of the electorate.

But it begs the question: Are Americans really concerned about government spending? At a time when there are warnings of another Great Depression, Mr. McCain’s incessant focus seemed off the mark and unhelpful.

On the larger foreign policy questions, Mr. McCain was far stronger and consistently hit his main talking points, particularly in describing his support for the surge in Iraq and raising doubt about the qualifications of his opponent. On the latter point, he said repeatedly that Mr. Obama “doesn’t understand” the key issues affecting the country. But he might have taken the point too far. Considering that more than half of all Americans support Mr. Obama’s view of the war in Iraq (namely that it was a mistake) and agree with him about the need to speak directly with foreign leaders who are enemies of the United States, Mr. McCain risked indirectly insulting voters who share Mr. Obama’s views. His constant refrain, while effective message discipline, may have brought diminishing returns for the candidate

In addition, it seems clear that Mr. McCain does not like his opponent. He never looked at him and even in the pre-debate handshake gave him an apparent cold shoulder. The result was that Mr. McCain at times seemed annoyed with Mr. Obama and unable to hide his contempt.

In contrast, Mr. Obama was restrained, even laconic, passing up numerous opportunities to aggressively counter-attack his opponent. At times he wandered too far into law professor mode, but for the supposedly less experienced candidate, there were no obvious mistakes or gaffes. It was a workmanlike performance. And the one word that came to mind when watching the Democratic nominee was “statesmanlike.” Even if you didn’t agree with Mr. Obama, it’s hard to argue that he didn’t come across as serious and sober.

Maybe this was purposeful; an effort to cultivate an image of the steady hand. His constant assertion that Mr. McCain was “right” or that he agreed with him seemed at times over the top, but likely appealed to undecided voters tired of partisanship in Washington.

In the end, Mr. Obama went into Friday night the clear favorite in the presidential election. Nothing that happened in Mississippi changed the direction of the race. And with less than 40 days until Election Day that means a win in Mr. Obama’s column.



LOL if you actually seen it you would know how much better McCain presented himself and pointed out all of Osbomba hypocrisy with Osbomba just standing there ashamed and agreeing.

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« Reply #131 on: September 27, 2008, 08:24:58 AM »

LOL if you actually seen it you would know how much better McCain presented himself and pointed out all of Osbomba hypocrisy with Osbomba just standing there ashamed and agreeing.

Interesting analysis.  All polls show people feel obama won the debate.  When its admitted on fox news that McCain didn't win....you know he didn't win...

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« Reply #132 on: September 27, 2008, 08:34:36 AM »
Interesting analysis.  All polls show people feel obama won the debate.  When its admitted on fox news that McCain didn't win....you know he didn't win...


Feel free to point out the parts that you see Osbomba gaining points in the debate.


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« Reply #133 on: September 27, 2008, 08:49:02 AM »

LOL if you actually seen it you would know how much better McCain presented himself and pointed out all of Osbomba hypocrisy with Osbomba just standing there ashamed and agreeing.
LOL
Time to hang yourself, IDIOT.

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Interesting analysis. All polls show people feel obama won the debate.  When its admitted on fox news that McCain didn't win....you know he didn't win...
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« Reply #134 on: September 27, 2008, 08:52:54 AM »
I'm talking about papa Bush. Under Reagan and him the US debt increased dramatically. Under Clinton it stabilized. If papa Bush had been re-elected would the same economic correction have taken place? Who knows but the facts are that under Clinton it did.
Regardless of who was in power at that time, the economy would have went through the same path, the administration had nothing to do with it.  

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« Reply #135 on: September 27, 2008, 08:54:33 AM »

Feel free to point out the parts that you see Osbomba gaining points in the debate.



most people see what they want to see.....you my friend R one of them
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« Reply #136 on: September 27, 2008, 08:54:50 AM »
STFU

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Im trying to work out a way to report you.....

you touch innocent pee pee.....caught red-handed

you will be in jail this time next year
hey clown, keep your punk shit on the V, don't be a typical coward hiding behind a computer monitor

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« Reply #137 on: September 27, 2008, 08:57:52 AM »
LOL
Time to hang yourself, IDIOT.

I wonder what the reason why you're in the Obama camp...........

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« Reply #138 on: September 27, 2008, 09:02:48 AM »
Senator Obama how will you deal with Iran.........."well, we'll sit down and discuss the differences and we'll come to an aggreement.

Senator Obama how will you deal with the Russians........" we need to get together and talk about our problems"

He's got his head in the clouds, he doesn't have a clue who is dealing with, they're going to eat him alive.............GOD help us all!!!!!

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« Reply #139 on: September 27, 2008, 09:05:38 AM »
Senator Obama how will you deal with Iran.........."well, we'll sit down and discuss the differences and we'll come to an aggreement.

Senator Obama how will you deal with the Russians........" we need to get together and talk about our problems"

He's got his head in the clouds, he doesn't have a clue who is dealing with, they're going to eat him alive.............GOD help us all!!!!!

and Mcsame will just go to war with them all.......and by the way......there's no god.
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« Reply #140 on: September 27, 2008, 09:10:36 AM »
and Mcsame will just go to war with them all.......and by the way......there's no god.
what are you going to do, let that crazy Iranian build the bomb.................... 

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« Reply #141 on: September 27, 2008, 09:13:20 AM »
what R u going to do spread your military so thin that a light breeze will blow it over.....Oh wait that is one thing Mcsame will CHANGE.....ladies and gents here comes the draft!
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« Reply #142 on: September 27, 2008, 10:07:26 AM »
what R u going to do spread your military so thin that a light breeze will blow it over.....Oh wait that is one thing Mcsame will CHANGE.....ladies and gents here comes the draft!
You liberals have no clue..................

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« Reply #143 on: September 27, 2008, 10:08:58 AM »
You liberals have no clue..................

nice rebuttal.. u sound educated.
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« Reply #144 on: September 27, 2008, 10:23:53 AM »
nice rebuttal.. u sound educated.
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« Reply #145 on: September 27, 2008, 10:26:29 AM »
I see the libs on here can't seem to put down the crack pipe. Especially our resident commie TA.


coach, i listen to Rush everyday, and it's extremely clear your attempt to imitate him falls flat. your constant Parroting of Rush's lines are pathetic.

do you not have any original thoughts of your OWN ?

just wondering.....



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« Reply #146 on: September 27, 2008, 10:30:51 AM »
Obama: "Yes it's true, I would have to suspend many of my plans to help America due to the ailing economy and the lack of funds to implement them, so we wouldn't see those programs for the first few years." = 4 years of nothing getting done.

Not that MCain was any better: "My friends, General Petraus.....friend...... .let me tell you....go look it up yourself....General Petraus....friends." Shows creepy, yellow teeth smile.

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« Reply #147 on: September 27, 2008, 10:46:01 AM »

Feel free to point out the parts that you see Osbomba gaining points in the debate.



First and foremost..IN THE POLLS--If the election really is close than why did more significantly more independants think obama did better?

Second,  The first half of the debate (which was more focused on today's economic crisis) went totally to obama.  McCain had no response for the logical argument that we are in this crisis because of de-regulation other than "I am a maverick; I am not miss congeniality in the senate etc. etc."

Third,  McCain seemed aggravated and flustered throughout even more so compared to the firm but extremely calm obama; see Nixon Kennedy debates.  The look of sheer rage on his face when he stumbled over the pronunciation of Ahmadinejad typified the point. Obama was confident in stating when McCain was right and equally firm and tough when he disagreed.

I will admit that McCain made the most of a tough situation when it came to Iraq and definitely held his own against obama due to the success of the surge

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« Reply #148 on: September 27, 2008, 10:51:33 AM »
First and foremost..IN THE POLLS--If the election really is close than why did more significantly more independants think obama did better?

Second,  The first half of the debate (which was more focused on today's economic crisis) went totally to obama.  McCain had no response for the logical argument that we are in this crisis because of de-regulation other than "I am a maverick; I am not miss congeniality in the senate etc. etc."

Third,  McCain seemed aggravated and flustered throughout even more so compared to the firm but extremely calm obama; see Nixon Kennedy debates.  The look of sheer rage on his face when he stumbled over the pronunciation of Ahmadinejad typified the point. Obama was confident in stating when McCain was right and equally firm and tough when he disagreed.

I will admit that McCain made the most of a tough situation when it came to Iraq and definitely held his own against obama due to the success of the surge

An agreement between the Clinton administration and congressional Republicans, reached during all-night negotiations which concluded in the early hours of October 22, sets the stage for passage of the most sweeping banking deregulation bill in American history, l

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« Reply #149 on: September 27, 2008, 10:54:24 AM »
An agreement between the Clinton administration and congressional Republicans, reached during all-night negotiations which concluded in the early hours of October 22, sets the stage for passage of the most sweeping banking deregulation bill in American history, l

Nice non sequitor copy and past