jay never had a strong back … so I still don’t get it how all the “Experts” say his back double bi is the best … I mean is that what you settle for after Ronnie and dorian???i was even shocked when I saw his name in the best back of all time in Flex mag … his back definitely improved … but no way he has the best back … people who say jay has the best back … do they consider victor, david henry, joel, Mlevin and for that matter even Phil who has a very impressive back even though he is narrow but a good back does mean you only have to be wide … the details, shape and condition on phil is way ahead and better than jay