unbelievable
you claimed phenyalanine is an analgesic and anti depressant when taken separately but not in the form of whole protein - i disagreed and claimed at equal dosages it would make no difference - protein is protein.
you provided proof that phenylalanine is an analgesic and anti depressant when taken alone - again no comparison with a complete protein source with equal amounts of phenyalanine.
you have provided no studies that compare equal amounts of phenylalanine both alone or as part of a complete protein source. therefore have not proven your claim that it has distinct effects when taken alone. in fact:
the patent you posted below leads more weight to my claim that a more complete protein source with the same amount of phenylalanine has the same effects regardless of phenylalanine by itself.
"Phenylalanine, , D-leucine, DL-leucine and hydrocinnamic
acid have been found to possess analgesic and anti-inflammatory activity."
please stop trying to play with words and dance around your claim by wordplay.
can you or can you not provide a study that shows distinct effects of phenylalanine when taken alone over a complete protein source with an equal amount of phenylalanine?
yes or no?
don't worry professor, i already know you can't.
i provided direct evidence that phenyalanine has both properties i stated, i met your challenge as stated.
also i provided evidence that amino acids compete with each other for substrates, and when taken together or as a complete protein they have different pysiological effects because of this. For example some amino acids become substrates for others like glutamine being conditionally essential, some are required to catalyze enzymatic reactions.
No such study exists because no one would do the study because it is a retarded, illogical and moronic study that everyone knows already. Whole proteins do not exert the effects of some of the individual amino acids when taken alone, everyone in biochemistry already knows this FACT, to disprove it as you are asking me to do only takes a basic overview of protein metabolism, if you can show that amino acids dont exert unique effects in contrast to what is known then you sir are a nobel prize winner.
But Since you are not a man of your word and didnt read the link i provided earlier i will hand feed you examples of amino acid competition, hence whole proteins with all these aminos would cause inhibition and interaction, nulifying the individual effects.By the way this is COMMON KNOWLEDGE, absolutely 100% proven fact and the fact that your questioning it shows me you have little to no education in the field.
Here are some known interactions
Taurine, glycine, GABA, and alanine - are antagonistic to glutamic acid and aspartic acid.
Tyrosine and phenylalanine are antagonistic to tryptophan.
Tyrosine and vanadium are antagonistic to carnitine.
Lysine is antagonistic to sulfur-containing amino acids.
Glycine, proline, and arginine increase threonine absorbtion.
phenylalanine interacts with tryptophan as they compete for the rate limiting step tyrosine hydroxylase.
YOU CLAIMED I SAID "you claimed phenyalanine is an analgesic and anti depressant when taken separately but not in the form of whole protein - i disagreed and claimed at equal dosages it would make no difference - protein is protein."
To prove this i posted studies, to prove you wrong specifically all i have to show is that phenyalanine and tryptophan compete for an enzyme to exert its effects, since your claim is that if 1 gram of phenyalanin is taken alone or 1 gram is taken with other aminos REGARDLESS of the other amino acid content that the analgesic and anti depressant effect would be the same. This is patently false because if the protein source is high in tryptophan then there will be competitive inhibition of some of the phenyalanine. Protien is not protein either, if you skew the amino profile hugely you can exert some unique effects, however free form single administration is much more effecitive and predictable.
