Vince u loser get over her, the fricken bar was set so low for her, all she had to do was string a few sentences together, and of course she would have done better then expected. Doesn't mean she won or even tied. Biden won, why? cause he won on the facts, he won on substance, he didn't dodge questions, and he talked about the change Obama and Biden would bring to America. Palin failed to mention one thing about a Mcsame-Failin ticket that would bring change to America. All she did is a series of stump speeches, and said maverick a few times, and failed to distinguish herself and mcsame from George bush. Thats not what the American people wanted to hear, they wanted to hear some substance from her, and she failed to bring it. So yes PALIN LOST THE DEBATE!. Only thing she won was the expectation factor, by doing better with regards to her performace, rather then on the issues.