Author Topic: Obama Supporters: your thoughts on this video? Is this you? All of you fit in.  (Read 2834 times)

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being, booed?  That's a show of unpopularity.  Now what's sick is McCain insiting violence against Obama and hearing the crowds call for Obama's head.  That's also a very misused soundtrack for that video ;)

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being, booed?  That's a show of unpopularity.  Now what's sick is McCain insiting violence against Obama and hearing the crowds call for Obama's head.  That's also a very misused soundtrack for that video ;)
hugo can you give a link or something to that statement i havent heard mccain insiting violence against obama

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hugo can you give a link or something to that statement i havent heard mccain insiting violence against obama

from what i take of it she didnt try to "incite violence"  against Obama.  Someone in the crowd yelled "kill him!!"  and she simply dismissed it and kept on speaking.  she should have stopped her speech and admonished the guy.  she really should have. 

politicians dont care if you're an ignorant buffoon.  they just want your vote.  although she didnt do the right thing, i think its irresponsible at best to say that mccain and palin are trying to incite violence against obama.

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being, booed?  That's a show of unpopularity.  Now what's sick is McCain insiting violence against Obama and hearing the crowds call for Obama's head.  That's also a very misused soundtrack for that video ;)

come on.  i know that video doesnt and shouldnt represent the people voting for obama but dont defend it either.  lets all just agree that there are ignorant asses voting for both parties. 

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I watched that video...

I didn't hear anyone yell out "Terrorist!"; "Traitor!" or "Kill him!"... but I did notice a disparaging reference to "Useless intellectuals" and a put down against people having PhDs.

I'm living in Europe, so I'm not fully conversant with the American political system... is it split along IQ lines?

Is it higher IQ = Democrat, lower IQ = Republican? It certainly seems that way to us outside observers.


If there is no real difference between McCain's policies and Bush's... and if McCain has voted with Bush 96% of the time... then could it be fair to say that McCain supporters want a continuation of the Bush administration?

Don't these people understand what Bush's policies have done to America and the world?


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Frankly, it gets a little stressful having to constantly deal with our ignorant right wing citizenry.  Having to go over, again and again and again and again that war is bad, that tax cuts do not run the economy, that the gov is not evil, that foreign negotiations work, that global warming is real, that workers's rights matter, that regulation is not evil, that racism does exist, that social security works, that a handup is not always a handout, all that just gets stressful.

Cut them some slack.

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Frankly, it gets a little stressful having to constantly deal with our ignorant right wing citizenry.  Having to go over, again and again and again and again that war is bad, that tax cuts do not run the economy, that the gov is not evil, that foreign negotiations work, that global warming is real, that workers's rights matter, that regulation is not evil, that racism does exist, that social security works, that a handup is not always a handout, all that just gets stressful.

Cut them some slack.

Frankly its gets a little stressful having to constantly deal with our ignorant and/or extremely egotistial left wing Citizenry. Having to continaually make the same mistakes over and over again,

that we cannot talk our enemies into peace when they have an agenda that is contrary to everything that we believe in,

that increasing taxes actually lowers tax revenue and restricts our freedoms of choice and our ability to do what we will with our own self earned prosperity,

that more goverment will trample on the very rights they cling to so often when goverment does what is needs to do protects its citizenry,

that foreign negotiations work when backed by action and not empty rhetoric,

that we fully dont understand our planet and we cannot expect to completely change our way of life overnight and we must address climate changes in ways the market will bear and be certain of the effects of our changes will actually make a difference,

that workers rights matter but outdated organizations that increase buracracy and take money from the actual workers they puport to assist,

that goverment interference in our free market economy will limit the economic growth and prosperity that we have acheived and maintained for the last two centuries,

that racism exists because many victimization minority leaders and guilty white people refuse to buy into Dr Kings dream of a land with no color, 

that social security is a broken system that will bankrupt our country faster than any war and cannot be sustained in its current form,

that a handup is something that many on the right side of the spectrum engage in every day through regligious organizations and other arenas and that must be met with effort on the apart of those recieving the help and not enabling those to abuse that help to take away from those who dont.....

You dont derserve any slack.

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Buffgeek,


How can you have such specific certain views on topics you don't really understand? I mean, being aware that you don't fully understand the issues, how are you so sure that smarter people are wrong?

Bush promulgated all the policies you Evangelical neocons hold so dear and it has bankrupted America in eight short years.

You seem to be a bundle of inconsistencies...

-you are a fundamentalist Christian, yet you have no real knowledge or understanding of your own religion.

-you support the low tax unregulated market lead capitalist model, yet you have no (Christian) compassion for the millions who are used and abused by this system.


The way you correct and dismiss Decker's posts is tantamount to a class of high school kids shouting down Stephen Hawking on the finer points of cosmological theory.



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Frankly its gets a little stressful having to constantly deal with our ignorant and/or extremely egotistial left wing Citizenry. Having to continaually make the same mistakes over and over again,

that we cannot talk our enemies into peace when they have an agenda that is contrary to everything that we believe in,

that increasing taxes actually lowers tax revenue and restricts our freedoms of choice and our ability to do what we will with our own self earned prosperity,

that more goverment will trample on the very rights they cling to so often when goverment does what is needs to do protects its citizenry,

that foreign negotiations work when backed by action and not empty rhetoric,

that we fully dont understand our planet and we cannot expect to completely change our way of life overnight and we must address climate changes in ways the market will bear and be certain of the effects of our changes will actually make a difference,

that workers rights matter but outdated organizations that increase buracracy and take money from the actual workers they puport to assist,

that goverment interference in our free market economy will limit the economic growth and prosperity that we have acheived and maintained for the last two centuries,

that racism exists because many victimization minority leaders and guilty white people refuse to buy into Dr Kings dream of a land with no color, 

that social security is a broken system that will bankrupt our country faster than any war and cannot be sustained in its current form,

that a handup is something that many on the right side of the spectrum engage in every day through regligious organizations and other arenas and that must be met with effort on the apart of those recieving the help and not enabling those to abuse that help to take away from those who dont.....

You dont derserve any slack.
Ok Mr. Helper, why don't you mosey on down to a new thread I'm starting about the subprime housing crisis.

You know the scandal, the one where racist rightwingers blame the fiasco on poor homeowners taking advantage of government sponsored loans?

Your protests are all bullshit.  If you'd like we can go over them one at a time.

Here's the first bullshit response of yours: "that we cannot talk our enemies into peace when they have an agenda that is contrary to everything that we believe in"

Why is that horseshit?  B/c it's so general that it makes no sense.  I'll try though.  Iraq--we attacked them with no justification.  Korea--negotiations worked.  Now which country is the one that is acting in a manner contrary to everything we believe in, i.e., justice, just wars, self defense and negotitation with military action as a matter of last resort?

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Buffgeek,


How can you have such specific certain views on topics you don't really understand? I mean, being aware that you don't fully understand the issues, how are you so sure that smarter people are wrong?

Bush promulgated all the policies you Evangelical neocons hold so dear and it has bankrupted America in eight short years.

You seem to be a bundle of inconsistencies...

-you are a fundamentalist Christian, yet you have no real knowledge or understanding of your own religion.

-you support the low tax unregulated market lead capitalist model, yet you have no (Christian) compassion for the millions who are used and abused by this system.


The way you correct and dismiss Decker's posts is tantamount to a class of high school kids shouting down Stephen Hawking on the finer points of cosmological theory.



The Luke

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First off you are not American so I could really care less what your skewed views on the welfare of our economy etc are.


Second. the true sign of ignorance is someone who continually goes out of there way to throw their self percieved intelligence in everyones face. You have a skewed view of the world and anyone who thinks differently than what you percieve as fact, is immiedetly less intelligent than you.  You see, some people would argue that looking into what has happened in the past is a fairly decent predictor of what will likely occur in the future. (Economically, Foregn policy)

I think its great you can use a dictionary to make yourself seem more intelligent than you realy are. I also find it hilarious that you are continually bashing christians which make up the vast majority of America. Clearly you hate our country so that lends even less merit to any garbage that spews out of keyboard.

The other thing that people seem to forget, even the superintellectual such as yourself, is that we had two events happen in America that greatly affected our ecomony in the past 8 years. One we had the Dot Com scandals and bust of many many technology companys. Two we had a national tragety in 911 which greatly impacted the financial heartbeat of our nation. Absolutely the war in Iraq was a Trillion Dollar mistake, but that certainly is not nearly the problem that led us to where we are today.

You say that I dont understand my religion because you saw a movie, read a book, etc...  that put disparate facts together to bring together a larger conspiracy theory that follows your (or lack of) belief structure. You TheLuke have found the truth that billions of lesser ignorant people through the millenia have failed to grasp. This board is truly lucky to have one such as you on it. I am suprised you have not developed a muscle enhancemnt drug that has no adverse effects? Surely someone of you infinite knowledge could so such a thing. That is after you have disproved the existance of god to the masses.

I believe in the American Dream that a man can work harder than the next to earn more and be more proserous if he so chooses. I am Native American. I have seen what goverment handouts do to people who do not work for them.  You see people abused by the system, i see people abusing the system.  Hell you see what you read in papers...


Equating me to Decker in those terms truly underscores your enormous ego.  You are the epitome of a extreme leftist. You completely dismiss and attack anything anyone of dissenting opinion has to say, and will never admit you may be wrong. 


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Ok Mr. Helper, why don't you mosey on down to a new thread I'm starting about the subprime housing crisis.

You know the scandal, the one where racist rightwingers blame the fiasco on poor homeowners taking advantage of government sponsored loans?

Your protests are all bullshit.  If you'd like we can go over them one at a time.

Here's the first bullshit response of yours: "that we cannot talk our enemies into peace when they have an agenda that is contrary to everything that we believe in"

Why is that horseshit?  B/c it's so general that it makes no sense.  I'll try though.  Iraq--we attacked them with no justification.  Korea--negotiations worked.  Now which country is the one that is acting in a manner contrary to everything we believe in, i.e., justice, just wars, self defense and negotitation with military action as a matter of last resort?

I need to get back to work, but I will be happy to address everyone of your flawed points tonight. I have history in my side friend. Talk to you soon.

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I need to get back to work, but I will be happy to address everyone of your flawed points tonight. I have history in my side friend. Talk to you soon.
Deal.  Take it easy.

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You see people abused by the system, i see people abusing the system.

...You're Native American and you don't think capitalism unfairly abuses people?

...You're Native American and you think handouts are what hurt your community?

Time to get a little historical perspective dude.



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...You're Native American and you don't think capitalism unfairly abuses people?

...You're Native American and you think handouts are what hurt your community?

Time to get a little historical perspective dude.



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let me get this straight.  you think capitalism unfairly abuses people and we should rely on a system of handouts?  please clarify.

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from what i take of it she didnt try to "incite violence"  against Obama.  Someone in the crowd yelled "kill him!!"  and she simply dismissed it and kept on speaking.  she should have stopped her speech and admonished the guy.  she really should have. 

politicians dont care if you're an ignorant buffoon.  they just want your vote.  although she didnt do the right thing, i think its irresponsible at best to say that mccain and palin are trying to incite violence against obama.
if thats the way it went down then ya very irresponsible also somewhat of a spin job saying that McCain incited violence against obama.

While she should have said something im sure that obama supporters have said some unsavory things at moments as well in obamas presence.

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hugo can you give a link or something to that statement i havent heard mccain insiting violence against obama
I'm sure you'll spin it but so many people saw it that way that it's probably why it didn't help McCain in the polls...  McCain camp should be ashamed of what they tired to do...
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=240459.0

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let me get this straight.  you think capitalism unfairly abuses people and we should rely on a system of handouts?  please clarify.

...it's not an either/or situation.

"A system of handouts" is NOT the only alternative to capitalism. There is a happy medium, it's called socialism.


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