Acorns are dropping like crazy

[Al Doggity]

Since none of you bothered to read it, here are the cliff notes from the article Beach Bum posted:

ACORN has alerted authorities on a daily basis since late last year whenever internal reviews found that canvassers had submitted suspicious application forms.


County officials review each registration application and reject all duplicates.


To affect an election tally, someone would have to vote in the name of the fictitious registrant, which is a felony.




ACORN is bound by laws in most of the 21 states where it's been active to turn in all new registration applications, even suspicious ones, and the group follows that policy everywhere,

There. The answers to all of your questions.

[Decker]

So what you're telling me is ACORN's voter registration fraud serves no purpose?  Why do you think they're doing it? 

Why is the FBI investigating them? 

I am asking you, what does ACORN stand to gain by allegedly inflating the voter registration rolls with false identities?

[Decker]

Since none of you bothered to read it, here are the cliff notes from the article Beach Bum posted:


There. The answers to all of your questions.

You seem to be one of the few people who knows what's going on here. 

[Dos Equis]

I am asking you, what does ACORN stand to gain by allegedly inflating the voter registration rolls with false identities?

Are you kidding?  They're Obama supporters.  Obama supports ACORN.  ACORN is trying to get fictitious voters to actually vote for Obama. 

Now I'm asking you again, why is the FBI investigating them? 

[Decker]

Are you kidding?  They're Obama supporters.  Obama supports ACORN.  ACORN is trying to get fictitious voters to actually vote for Obama. 

Now I'm asking you again, why is the FBI investigating them? 

Beach Bum, how can fictitious people vote for Obama?

They are fictitious.  Not real. 

Voters have to show an id before voting.

How do fictitious people show up to vote under the false registration?

I asked the question first, you answer, then I'll answer yours.

[Soul Crusher]

So what you're telling me is ACORN's voter registration fraud serves no purpose?  Why do you think they're doing it? 

Why is the FBI investigating them? 

ACORN is intentionally trying to screw up the system by overwhelming the polls watchers and canvassing board.  They know not all of these fraudulent apps will get through, but if even a small portion in fact do, many districts will be affected.

Also, the pollsters use registrations numbers in their sampling of the polls.  That is why the polls are all screwed up and are wrong.  The polls are undersampling GOP voters based on these registrations in the hope that they depress the GOP voter turnout.  

ACORN needs to be prosecuted for RICO violations and aiding and abetting fraud.  

BTW - Obama gave them over 800k to GOTV.

BTW - the polls using likely voters, NOT registered voters, are quikly moving to McCain.

Anyone who thinks this election is over is terribly mistaken.

[Colossus_500]

WOW! 

[Al Doggity]

ACORN is intentionally trying to screw up the system by overwhelming the polls watchers and canvassing board.  They know not all of these fraudulent apps will get through, but if even a small portion in fact do, many districts will be affected.

Also, the pollsters use registrations numbers in their sampling of the polls.  That is why the polls are all screwed up and are wrong.  The polls are undersampling GOP voters based on these registrations in the hope that they depress the GOP voter turnout.  

ACORN reports suspicious registrations to election officials. They are the most effective safe guard.

As Decker keeps pointing out, none of these false registrations mean shit without a voter with a fake id  willing to vote attached to them.

[Decker]

ACORN is intentionally trying to screw up the system by overwhelming the polls watchers and canvassing board.  They know not all of these fraudulent apps will get through, but if even a small portion in fact do, many districts will be affected.

Also, the pollsters use registrations numbers in their sampling of the polls.  That is why the polls are all screwed up and are wrong.  The polls are undersampling GOP voters based on these registrations in the hope that they depress the GOP voter turnout.  

ACORN needs to be prosecuted for RICO violations and aiding and abetting fraud.  

BTW - Obama gave them over 800k to GOTV.

BTW - the polls using likely voters, NOT registered voters, are quikly moving to McCain.

Anyone who thinks this election is over is terribly mistaken.

Registered voters appear on a big print out.  The voter shows up with personal identification.  The id is checked off against the info on the voter roll.

Do you think Mickey Mouse will show up with his Identification to vote and that that ID will be cross referenced with his fake registration?

[Dos Equis]

Beach Bum, how can fictitious people vote for Obama?

They are fictitious.  Not real. 

Voters have to show an id before voting.

How do fictitious people show up to vote under the false registration?

I asked the question first, you answer, then I'll answer yours.

Dude.  Every instance of identity fraud involves a fictitious person.  You have someone pretending to be someone they are not, or someone who does not exist.  They're obviously trying to use false names and have people show up to vote pretending to be someone else.  Stop acting like voter fraud has never happened.  

So I'll ask again, why is the FBI investigating them?    

[Soul Crusher]

Registered voters appear on a big print out.  The voter shows up with personal identification.  The id is checked off against the info on the voter roll.

Do you think Mickey Mouse will show up with his Identification to vote and that that ID will be cross referenced with his fake registration?

Ok, do you not read???

The pollsters use the number of registered voters in determining the weigthting of the polls are far as party goes.  When ACORN submits tons of demo registrations, the pollsters think that these are actual people and use that weighting in the poll.  Its gives a screwed up result since the turnout for every election is typically 37% R 37 D and rest inde.  

The polls thus far have been weighted heavily in favor of the Dems based on registered voters, not likely voters.  This has created the fasle illusion that Obama has a huge lead.  He does not.  This is a farse.

When the pollsters move to likely voters, as they are now, the polls arwe going to show this race close to a dead heat, like AP and gallop have it today.

ACORN wanted to help this by depressing GOP voters to stay home thinking this race was over.  Its not and even Obama knows it.  

BTW - not all areas require photo id.

Also, what a lot of these ACORN fraudsters do is register people to fake addresses, empty lots, etc etc.

They also get these people to submit a absentee ballot in one state and an actual vote in another state.

ACORN needs to be dragged into Federal court by the Feds since they are committing wholesale fraud and wasting the time of govt emplyoess by submitting knowingly false registrations.    

[Decker]

Dude.  Every instance of identity fraud involves a fictitious person.  You have someone pretending to be someone they are not, or someone who does not exist.  They're obviously trying to use false names and have people show up to vote pretending to be someone else.  Stop acting like voter fraud has never happened.  

So I'll ask again, why is the FBI investigating them?    

That's right, completely gloss over the requirement for personal identification before voting. 

This ACORN group is nefarious.  First they have work release prisoners falsify voter registrations, then they pay off un-named people to pretend they are Willy Wonka or Mickey Mouse, then they pay to have personal identification fabricated to 'verify' the false registration.

What a racket.

Do you really believe this or are you just pulling my leg on this stuff?

It is you and your republican brothers that are killing our democracy with your scrubbing of voter rolls.

Why is the FBI investigating this?  Probably b/c fraud is a crime subject to FBI jurisdiction.  I wasn't aware that a politically motivated investigation is a conviction.

[Al Doggity]

The pollsters use the number of registered voters in determining the weigthting of the polls are far as party goes.  


ACORN wanted to help this by depressing GOP voters to stay home thinking this race was over.  Its not and even Obama knows it.  



Also, what a lot of these ACORN fraudsters do is register people to fake addresses, empty lots, etc etc.

They also get these people to submit a absentee ballot in one state and an actual vote in another state.

ACORN needs to be dragged into Federal court by the Feds since they are committing wholesale fraud and wasting the time of govt emplyoess by submitting knowingly false registrations.    

Please provide a link to any news article alleging this. Even if its some right wing  site like Newsmax.

[Soul Crusher]

That's right, completely gloss over the requirement for personal identification before voting. 

This ACORN group is nefarious.  First they have work release prisoners falsify voter registrations, then they pay off un-named people to pretend they are Willy Wonka or Mickey Mouse, then they pay to have personal identification fabricated to 'verify' the false registration.

What a racket.

Do you really believe this or are you just pulling my leg on this stuff?

It is you and your republican brothers that are killing our democracy with your scrubbing of voter rolls.

Why is the FBI investigating this?  Probably b/c fraud is a crime subject to FBI jurisdiction.  I wasn't aware that a politically motivated investigation is a conviction.

There are literally places now where acorn has submitted so many false registrations that there are 105 and 110% of the population registered to vote.

ACORN is commiting fraud, subborning perjury, and needs to be prosecuted.  They are wasting taxpayer money and wasting peoples' time in having to locate and verify these phantom registrations.

 

[Decker]

Ok, do you not read???

The pollsters use the number of registered voters in determining the weigthting of the polls are far as party goes.  When ACORN submits tons of demo registrations, the pollsters think that these are actual people and use that weighting in the poll.  Its gives a screwed up result since the turnout for every election is typically 37% R 37 D and rest inde.  

The polls thus far have been weighted heavily in favor of the Dems based on registered voters, not likely voters.  This has created the fasle illusion that Obama has a huge lead.  He does not.  This is a farse.

When the pollsters move to likely voters, as they are now, the polls arwe going to show this race close to a dead heat, like AP and gallop have it today.

ACORN wanted to help this by depressing GOP voters to stay home thinking this race was over.  Its not and even Obama knows it.  

BTW - not all areas require photo id.

Also, what a lot of these ACORN fraudsters do is register people to fake addresses, empty lots, etc etc.

They also get these people to submit a absentee ballot in one state and an actual vote in another state.

ACORN needs to be dragged into Federal court by the Feds since they are committing wholesale fraud and wasting the time of govt emplyoess by submitting knowingly false registrations.    

Who cares what the effect of polls are on an election.  Last time I checked, it was the province of the state and not Frank Luntz to protect voters.

Polling is irrelevant.  

I said nothing of photo IDs.  Proof of residence is required.

So do you believe the following:  (you must if you push this theory of yours)

This ACORN group is nefarious.  First they have work release prisoners falsify voter registrations, then they pay off un-named people to pretend they are Willy Wonka or Mickey Mouse, then they pay to have personal identification fabricated to 'verify' the false registration.

[Soul Crusher]

Who cares what the effect of polls are on an election.  Last time I checked, it was the province of the state and not Frank Luntz to protect voters.

Polling is irrelevant.  

I said nothing of photo IDs.  Proof of residence is required.

So do you believe the following:  (you must if you push this theory of yours)

This ACORN group is nefarious.  First they have work release prisoners falsify voter registrations, then they pay off un-named people to pretend they are Willy Wonka or Mickey Mouse, then they pay to have personal identification fabricated to 'verify' the false registration.

So Mickey mouse and the Dallas Cowboys being resigtered by ACORN happened by accident??

[Al Doggity]

There are literally places now where acorn has submitted so many false registrations that there are 105 and 110% of the population registered to vote.

 

This is not true.

[Decker]

So Mickey mouse and the Dallas Cowboys being resigtered by ACORN happened by accident??

Please.  It's a community organization that relies on volunteers, prison labor, and the lowly paid to do an honorable civic duty.

Of course the door is open for some jokes to slip through.  So what?  That won't affect voter turnout.

You know what does?  

Valid voting citizens scrubbed from the voter rolls by republican elitests.

That's one of the ways Bush stole Florida in 2000.

[Soul Crusher]

This is not true.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2008/10/09/indiana-more-registered-vote-eligible-media-misses-story


In Indianapolis this is going on right now. 

There are also counties in Ohio where this is also the case.

[Dos Equis]

That's right, completely gloss over the requirement for personal identification before voting. 

This ACORN group is nefarious.  First they have work release prisoners falsify voter registrations, then they pay off un-named people to pretend they are Willy Wonka or Mickey Mouse, then they pay to have personal identification fabricated to 'verify' the false registration.

What a racket.

Do you really believe this or are you just pulling my leg on this stuff?

It is you and your republican brothers that are killing our democracy with your scrubbing of voter rolls.

Why is the FBI investigating this?  Probably b/c fraud is a crime subject to FBI jurisdiction.  I wasn't aware that a politically motivated investigation is a conviction.

Hahaha!    So the FBI investigation is politically motivated?  Decker you are such a partisan.  lol . . .  

Obviously Mickey Mouse isn't going to show up at the polls.  But I'm sure they were going to try and get others with fake identities to the polls.  

[Decker]

Hahaha!    So the FBI investigation is politically motivated?  Decker you are such a partisan.  lol . . .  

Obviously Mickey Mouse isn't going to show up at the polls.  But I'm sure they were going to try and get others with fake identities to the polls.  

Yes it is politically motivated.  You've already seen the voter fraud segment of the Attorney General scandal. 

Do you deny that fact Beach Bum?

I mean the Attornies General testified that they were pressured to push voter fraud cases on democrats. Gonzalez was shown to give contradictory testimony over this scandal...or as we in the real world call it, he lied.  Thank god for e-mails.

Who are these people that risk prison for voting fraud by pretending to be Mickey Mouse?

Do you see why these allegations, once thought through, are ridiculous.

[Al Doggity]

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2008/10/09/indiana-more-registered-vote-eligible-media-misses-story


In Indianapolis this is going on right now. 

There are also counties in Ohio where this is also the case.

http://www.wthr.com/Global/story.asp?S=9160972&nav=menu188_2

Election officials estimate there are roughly 100,000 people on the voting rolls who have died or moved from the county and haven't been removed because of complex federal election laws.

[Soul Crusher]

Registered voters appear on a big print out.  The voter shows up with personal identification.  The id is checked off against the info on the voter roll.

Do you think Mickey Mouse will show up with his Identification to vote and that that ID will be cross referenced with his fake registration?

They are wasting the time and money of the taxpayers in having to go through all this garbage. 

If only a small percentage of this vote fraud goes though it will have a bad impact for everyone.

[Dos Equis]

Yes it is politically motivated.  You've already seen the voter fraud segment of the Attorney General scandal. 

Do you deny that fact Beach Bum?

I mean the Attornies General testified that they were pressured to push voter fraud cases on democrats. Gonzalez was shown to give contradictory testimony over this scandal...or as we in the real world call it, he lied.  Thank god for e-mails.

Who are these people that risk prison for voting fraud by pretending to be Mickey Mouse?

Do you see why these allegations, once thought through, are ridiculous.

Yes, I deny that the FBI investigating ACORN is politically motivated. 

You didn't answer my earlier questions:  "So what you're telling me is ACORN's voter registration fraud serves no purpose?  Why do you think they're doing it?"

[Decker]

They are wasting the time and money of the taxpayers in having to go through all this garbage. 

If only a small percentage of this vote fraud goes though it will have a bad impact for everyone.

Democracy is an ugly, inefficient process.  

Sometimes Mick Jagger does get on the roll...he doesn't vote, but he does get on the voting roll.

I agree.  That kind of shit should be cleaned up.

However the republican remedy of wholesale scrubbing of voter rolls disenfranchises the legitimate voters and ruins their constitutional right to vote.

That can't be permitted to happen.