Yeah! Joe Plumber is actually a fake and a republican!

[Al Doggity]

The burly, bald man acknowledged he doesn't have a plumber's license, but said he didn't need one because he works for someone else at a company that does residential work.

But Wurzelbacher still would need to be a licensed apprentice or journeyman to work in Toledo, and he's not, said David Golis, manager and residential building official for the Toledo Division of Building Inspection.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081016/ap_on_re_us/joe_the_plumber

[Al Doggity]

He said hes a plummer and obamas plan is going to make him pay more since hes going to be in that over 250k bracket... No plummer on EARTH makes that inless he is the CONTRACTOR and OWNS the business.

Exactly. From that article, in the words of Our Lord and Saviour, Obama:

"He's trying to suggest that a plumber is the guy he's fighting for," Obama said. "How many plumbers you know that are making a quarter-million dollars a year?"

[The Coach]

Can't click on the link here but I' d' be willing to bet they're referring to a union worker that must be registered as any apprentice or journeyman to work on union jobsites or public works jobs. No place in the country would deny any qualified employee to work for a private licensed contractor. Even the Unions can't monopolize the private sector.

[IFBBwannaB]

i haven't followed the joe plumber story - someone emailed me that. 

If it ends up being true, it'll look bad for mccain.  The guy votes repub, doesn't have a license even tho ohio law requires it, and had a mccain sign in his yard, right?

at this point, nobody needs to spin anything.  everyone knows who they're voting for.

LOL how does Obama answering a legitimate question is McCain fault...talk about a spin!

[muscleforlife]

Then this is really just a mute publicity stunt on the part of McCain and the Republicans then isn't it?

Joe the plumber, doesn't even have a license, and would first have to get one before buying the business.
When you take into account he is unable to pay his current taxes, one would think the tax cut he stands to gain under an Obama presidency, might just be the ticket he needs to pay his bills and perhaps save up a little money to get himself licensed, ...and then perhaps buy the business. Much ado about nothing.

Wow Jag,
When you speak logic the first response is to pray to God.

How did you get to be so Powerful!?!?!?
Sandra

[IFBBwannaB]

Then this is really just a mute publicity stunt on the part of McCain and the Republicans then isn't it?

Joe the plumber, doesn't even have a license, and would first have to get one before buying the business.
When you take into account he is unable to pay his current taxes, one would think the tax cut he stands to gain under an Obama presidency, might just be the ticket he needs to pay his bills and perhaps save up a little money to get himself licensed, ...and then perhaps buy the business. Much ado about nothing.

Ohhh...when you put it like that Hussein tax plan sounds good all of the sudden 

I was saying that the 250K is way too low! Not to mention my other disliking of massive taxing of people of make more but lets not get into that now.

The point is Hussein had a shitty answer to a legitimate question no matter what you will claim.

BTW buying a buisness isn't a 2 day thing, I'm sure that if that is needed than he can get it.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Folks....one fucking plumber isn't going to decide this election

[Al Doggity]

When you take into account he is unable to pay his current taxes, one would think the tax cut he stands to gain under an Obama presidency, might just be the ticket he needs to pay his bills and perhaps save up a little money to get himself licensed, ...and then perhaps buy the business. Much ado about nothing.

This is what's so startling about these Kool-Aid drinkers. As, you point out, O's tax plan is actually beneficial to "Joe" and the majority of Americans. His brain is lodged so far up his butt that he's content to spew the party line, though. H

[Al Doggity]

Can't click on the link here but I' d' be willing to bet they're referring to a union worker that must be registered as any apprentice or journeyman to work on union jobsites or public works jobs. No place in the country would deny any qualified employee to work for a private licensed contractor. Even the Unions can't monopolize the private sector.

I'm not a blue collar dude, but that quote was not from a union rep, it was from an official at the Toledo Division of Building Inspection There were no qualifiers.

Besides, I'm less interested in his union status than his financial status. This guy's sort of a kook.

[CQ]

Most of the people on these forums supporting ZERO:

1.  Are in high school or college - over 30
2.  Never worked a day in their life - 7 days a week for years
3.  Never owned a business - no, not one - two
4.  Never managed a business - as above
5.  Never paid their own bills, - lol, be real
6.  Never created a job; - no, not one, many
7.  Never were responable for accounts receivable - true, paid someone I *created* the job for
8.  Never had to manage accounts payable or payroll - as above
9.  Never had a mortgage to pay - lol, I wish, wanna pay of mine for me?

The lack of any economic or basic business understanding by the Obama followers is indicative of the above.

And as far your last sentence, I assume you may have missed the reports/polls on levels of support differences between college graduates and high school dropouts etc and who they support.

And as far as Joe, I will scream if I hear his name on the news again as an aside, and I only had to snicker that a plumber is worried about making over $250,000 and falling into the higher tax bracket. No diss on the field, its good honest work, but since when did plumbers pull down $5,000 a week?

[IFBBwannaB]

And as far your last sentence, I assume you may have missed the reports/polls on levels of support differences between college graduates and high school dropouts etc and who they support.

And as far as Joe, I will scream if I hear his name on the news again as an aside, and I only had to snicker that a plumber is worried about making over $250,000 and falling into the higher tax bracket. No diss on the field, its good honest work, but since when did plumbers pull down $5,000 a week?

You had a nice run at the post until you made the fatal mistake of thinking through, if you are a true business man as you say you are than you should know that the BUSINESS (who knows how many employees are in that company?) can easily pull that YEARLY. He never said it was his paycheck, he specifically said he wanted to buy the business he worked for after saving up for years.

[Al Doggity]

you should know that the BUSINESS (who knows how many employees are in that company?) can easily pull that YEARLY.

Nope. He admitted in another interview that the company didn't fall into that tax bracket. Only about 2% of American businesses do fall into that tax bracket.

[Hugo Chavez]

No it wasn't. He told Katie Couric that he actually does not earn anywhere near $250,000 but just wanted to ask a tough question and see if the candidate would dance around it.

Evidence (something you never provide): http://wcco.com/video/?id=48966@wcco.dayport.com It's about 2 1/2 minutes in.

wait a second... I thought, according to the debate, that he changed his mind about buying a plumbing business when he found out about Obama's tax plan... So in reality, he would have only benefited under Obama's plan?

hahahaha... typical republican...

[slayer]

You had a nice run at the post until you made the fatal mistake of thinking through, if you are a true business man as you say you are than you should know that the BUSINESS (who knows how many employees are in that company?) can easily pull that YEARLY. He never said it was his paycheck, he specifically said he wanted to buy the business he worked for after saving up for years.

hmmm saving for a business,
considering he owes a few gs to the irs in back taxes, what makes you think he has enuff money in the bank to buy his weekend sixpack let alone a business?

Maybe he figured he was gonna hit the lottery , so he should just make sure he votes for the rite tax plan?

[24KT]

Ohhh...when you put it like that Hussein tax plan sounds good all of the sudden 

No, ...not all of a sudden, ...all along!

I was saying that the 250K is way too low! Not to mention my other disliking of massive taxing of people of make more but lets not get into that now.

The point is Hussein had a shitty answer to a legitimate question no matter what you will claim.

BTW buying a buisness isn't a 2 day thing, I'm sure that if that is needed than he can get it.

Maybe you should hear soon to be President Barack Obama's answer again, ...the one spoken to Joe directly.

unedited discussion between Barack Obama and Joe, the fake plumber (aka McCain schill, aka Keating relative)
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1a4_1224166209

[IFBBwannaB]

No, ...not all of a sudden, ...all along!

Maybe you should hear soon to be President Barack Obama's answer again, ...the one spoken to Joe directly.

unedited discussion between Barack Obama and Joe, the fake plumber (aka McCain schill, aka Keating relative)
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1a4_1224166209

Holy shit, he is trying to convince him that it's better (and more fair LMAO) that he will pay more to help those who don't work as hard.

You realize that this type of reverse discrimination and the intervention in that method is a DIRECT route to advanced Socialism.


To be honest, I think it's borderline unconstitutional to tax the same person doing the same job differently just because he did some improvements in his company and worked harder. Not to mention unfair to say the least.

I'm sure that you,Joe or anyone else doesn't want to pay for all the deadbeats and the illegal aliens and whatever ....especially not since you work harder for it.

I can't believe people think it's more "fair" it's downright discrimination.

[Option D]

Another ignorant libertard chipes in.  You dont need a license when you work under some one else's license.

Leave it up to a liberal fool who never worked a real dayt in his life to not know these things.

ZERO's little cult of fools grow worse by the day.

REALLY. Real Liberials dont work. Is that what you're saying chief

[Soul Crusher]

REALLY. Real Liberials dont work. Is that what you're saying chief

Most liberals who spout the garbage on the getbig boards never worked in hard jobs and physical labor jobs like plumbing and have no idea about these licesne issues and how things work.

In my experience, liberals are usually people who are well off due to family money, lazy bums looking for handout, physically weak people afraid of their own shadow, people who major in arts in college and then complain they cant get a job, or some combination of the above.

[Decker]

Most liberals who spout the garbage on the getbig boards never worked in hard jobs and physical labor jobs like plumbing and have no idea about these licesne issues and how things work.

In my experience, liberals are usually people who are well off due to family money, lazy bums looking for handout, physically weak people afraid of their own shadow, people who major in arts in college and then complain they cant get a job, or some combination of the above.

That's sort of a sweeping unsupported anecdotal observation, isn't it?

[Option D]

Most liberals who spout the garbage on the getbig boards never worked in hard jobs and physical labor jobs like plumbing and have no idea about these licesne issues and how things work.

In my experience, liberals are usually people who are well off due to family money, lazy bums looking for handout, physically weak people afraid of their own shadow, people who major in arts in college and then complain they cant get a job, or some combination of the above.

Oh ok. Well your experience is limited..I'll just say that. Wont call you wrong. But in my experience, what you just described were con repubs...My father is a lifetime dem liberal. Worked in automotives most of his life with a 9th grade education. By sheer circumstances of a lack of education he worked manual labor jobs his whole life until the early 90s when he was offered a office position with Unocal 76...As for pretty much all of the people in my neighborhood. They work on the railroad, cars, warehouse. etc.

I think lack of exposure is the number 1 problem in America. Gives us a very one sided and skewed vision of things.  We think we know it all about another group because we take what we are fed by elders (who were unexposed also),"news" stations etc. Im 26 but I have lived a hell of a life until now. Comming from South Central Los Angeles to Buckhead Atlanta Ga, and a lot of spots inbetween. I have learned people in that time span and debunked a billion preconceptions i had of people...

[Soul Crusher]

Oh ok. Well your experience is limited..I'll just say that. Wont call you wrong. But in my experience, what you just described were con repubs...My father is a lifetime dem liberal. Worked in automotives most of his life with a 9th grade education. By sheer circumstances of a lack of education he worked manual labor jobs his whole life until the early 90s when he was offered a office position with Unocal 76...As for pretty much all of the people in my neighborhood. They work on the railroad, cars, warehouse. etc.

I think lack of exposure is the number 1 problem in America. Gives us a very one sided and skewed vision of things.  We think we know it all about another group because we take what we are fed by elders (who were unexposed also),"news" stations etc. Im 26 but I have lived a hell of a life until now. Comming from South Central Los Angeles to Buckhead Atlanta Ga, and a lot of spots inbetween. I have learned people in that time span and debunked a billion preconceptions i had of people...

Well, I live in the Bronx, NY so I think I have had plenty of experience dealing with all sorts of people at all areas of life to have come to my conclusions.

 

[Option D]

Well, I live in the Bronx, NY so I think I have had plenty of experience dealing with all sorts of people at all areas of life to have come to my conclusions.

 

Extremely hard to beleive that..Libs dont work. Repubs work the tough labor jobs. Thats your experience??

[Soul Crusher]

Extremely hard to beleive that..Libs dont work. Repubs work the tough labor jobs. Thats your experience??

Do you want my address??  I have lived here all my life have the Nu Yawk accent and everything. 

I most liberal people I know live in Scarsdale, Mamaroneck, Larchmont, Bronxville, the South Bronx, Mt Vernon. 

In my area, the middle class people in NE Bronx, most of Yonkers, and the river towns along the hudson vote for republicans.

You can choose to believe me or not, thats fine, I have lived here my whole life and dealt with the richest .000000001% of the population and the poorest of poor. 


     

[OzmO]

NYC is hardly a good example of the rest of the USA.

Isn't NYC like a different state with in a state to New York State?  I mean if it wasn't for NYC all your census info would be completely different.

I think there are many lazy people  everywhere who want something for nothing.  and because social programs thrive under democratic leadership they attract lazy people who probably couldn't pass a 1st grade political test much less definitively describe their chosen ideology.  It doesn't mean liberals are lazy.......lol   that's brainwashing at work.

[Option D]

Do you want my address??  I have lived here all my life have the Nu Yawk accent and everything. 

I most liberal people I know live in Scarsdale, Mamaroneck, Larchmont, Bronxville, the South Bronx, Mt Vernon. 

In my area, the middle class people in NE Bronx, most of Yonkers, and the river towns along the hudson vote for republicans.

You can choose to believe me or not, thats fine, I have lived here my whole life and dealt with the richest .000000001% of the population and the poorest of poor. 


     

Tame that dog chief...no one is saying you arent from new york. But Im puerto rican and the father im talkin about..yeah he is from BX...all of my friends are from BX The ville (brownsville) and the bush (flatbush).work manual jobs..