best recoms 4 blood pressure and cholesterol meds

[tolliscd]

What do u guys use to keep these dowb? Liptor? What else anyone chime in!thx bros

[DIVISION]

What do u guys use to keep these dowb? Liptor? What else anyone chime in!thx bros

Clonidine is great for hypertension when taken at night for sleep, it also raises GH levels.

Dyazide works well during the day and has a potassium sparing diuretic so you don't bloat.........



DIV

[chainsaw]

Clonidine is great for hypertension when taken at night for sleep, it also raises GH levels.

Dyazide works well during the day and has a potassium sparing diuretic so you don't bloat.........



DIV

Clonidine is great.  DON'T TRY .2MG OFF THE BAT.
.5 or .1mg.

I also use Benicar 20mg.  Doesn't make me tired or anything like clonidine.

[DIVISION]

Clonidine is great.  DON'T TRY .2MG OFF THE BAT.
.5 or .1mg.

The recommended dose for Clonidine is .3MG before bed......

It is great for sleep and you can't argue with elevated GH levels.



DIV

[shrek]

LISINOPRIL it has also been known to add in fat lose

[Vet]

What do u guys use to keep these dowb? Liptor? What else anyone chime in!thx bros

in my opinion, you should avoid statin drugs like the plague, ESPECIALLY if you are heavy into weight training.  Myositis is all too common with these drugs and thats just the tip of the iceberg for their problems. 

The entire "cholesterol" bullshit in human medicine is a mess thats fueled by huge drug profits (Lipitor is the MOST commonly prescribed drug---based on studies funded by the drug company--that alone should be a red flag for an intelligent person). 



The other problem is no one knows for sure just how bad a high cholesterol is.   There are associations and there are correlations, but there isn't definitive proof for some individuals.  Hell, my grandfather lived to be almost 90 on a diet of fried eggs, fried ham, fried pork, fried chicken, fried bacon, head sausage and biscuits every morning with sausage or fried something every evening and braunschweiger, thuringer, or salami for lunch.  When his cholesterol was "up", he'd cut back on the beer, add a glass of homemade red wine each day, and things would equilibrate right back to normal.  Medically, based on convention, there isn't an real godo explanation for that. 


The absolute first step should be for a person with elevated cholesterol to get their diet right---this means adequate fiber, fewer processed foods, and balanced plant intake.  The second step is to exercise.   Third vitamins, plant sterols, and essential fats (Omega 3's) should be looked at critically.  As an example, Niacin is commonly used in hypercholesterolemic birds in the veterinary world, but to the best of my knowledge seem to be almost NEVER considered in human medicine---why?   Because of a possible interaction with STATINS of all things.   Then if cholesterol is still of the charts, then maybe discuss it as a problem with their doctor and the need for cholesterol lowering medication.  I know from my own experience, there is no way in hell I'm taking a drug that causes myositis and that affects the base compound for some very important hormones in my body without trying all alternates first. 

[DIVISION]

in my opinion, you should avoid statin drugs like the plague, ESPECIALLY if you are heavy into weight training.  Myositis is all too common with these drugs and thats just the tip of the iceberg for their problems. 

The entire "cholesterol" bullshit in human medicine is a mess thats fueled by huge drug profits (Lipitor is the MOST commonly prescribed drug---based on studies funded by the drug company--that alone should be a red flag for an intelligent person). 



The other problem is no one knows for sure just how bad a high cholesterol is.   There are associations and there are correlations, but there isn't definitive proof for some individuals.  Hell, my grandfather lived to be almost 90 on a diet of fried eggs, fried ham, fried pork, fried chicken, fried bacon, head sausage and biscuits every morning with sausage or fried something every evening and braunschweiger, thuringer, or salami for lunch.  When his cholesterol was "up", he'd cut back on the beer, add a glass of homemade red wine each day, and things would equilibrate right back to normal.  Medically, based on convention, there isn't an real godo explanation for that. 


The absolute first step should be for a person with elevated cholesterol to get their diet right---this means adequate fiber, fewer processed foods, and balanced plant intake.  The second step is to exercise.   Third vitamins, plant sterols, and essential fats (Omega 3's) should be looked at critically.  As an example, Niacin is commonly used in hypercholesterolemic birds in the veterinary world, but to the best of my knowledge seem to be almost NEVER considered in human medicine---why?   Because of a possible interaction with STATINS of all things.   Then if cholesterol is still of the charts, then maybe discuss it as a problem with their doctor and the need for cholesterol lowering medication.  I know from my own experience, there is no way in hell I'm taking a drug that causes myositis and that affects the base compound for some very important hormones in my body without trying all alternates first. 

What is your opinion of Dyazide and/or Clonidine?


DIV

[Vet]

What is your opinion of Dyazide and/or Clonidine?


DIV

Dyazide is a potassium sparing loop diuretic. its basically used to treat the fluid retention that occurs as a result of activation of the Renin, angiotensin, aldosterone system in the body secondary to hypertension.  The body has this complex response to hypertension in that it will decrease cardiac output secondary to hypertension to try to maintain blood perfusion. The body recognizes this decrease in output as a decrease in blood volume, so it tries to increase blood volume by secreting Renin. Renin acts on angiotensin, creating angiotensinogenI and II which costricts blood vessels and leads to increased secretion of Aldosterone.  The aldosterone causes the sodium retention that leads to fluid retention. 

In terms of pure hypertension, it makes more sense to try to catch the process early with an ACE inhibitor than later with a diuretic.  Now that said, there is a point where a diuretic like Dyazide may be needed and will work very good as long as cardiac function is retained.   Hydrochlorothiazide is a relatively benign diuretic that has been around for a long, long time.  Side effects are generally minimal.  (IE Lasix is much "harsher" on the body)

Clonidine is an alpha 2 agonist.  Honestly, my experience with this drug is really limited other than for a few times I've seen it used as an additive to anesthesia for alpha 2 agonist sensitive species (cervidae).  Xylazine (an analogue to clonidine) is a much better Alpha 2 anesthetic drug in my opinion.   You have to be very careful of rebound hypertension when using all Alpha 2's in veterinary patients. I'm sure the same warnings hold true for humans, although xylazine isn't a human drug. 

[Rimbaud]

If it's any help I take 10mg of Norvasc everyday for hypertension.

[Vet]

If it's any help I take 10mg of Norvasc everyday for hypertension.

Norvasc is Amlodipine--a calcium channel blocker.  That drug works by causing dilation of arterial walls.  That makes it one of those antihypertensives that can actually induce swelling of the hands and feet--which leads some doctors to prescribing a loop diuretic on top of the amlodipine to control that swelling. 


Its been years since I used amlodipine for anything patient wise (its used commonly in animals with esophageal strictures to relax the esophagus so they can swallow), but I vaguely remember something about it inducing irreversable gynocomastia also.... i need to ask my step dad.  Ithink Norvasc was the drug he was taking when he had gyno problems. 

[Rimbaud]

Norvasc is Amlodipine--a calcium channel blocker.  That drug works by causing dilation of arterial walls.  That makes it one of those antihypertensives that can actually induce swelling of the hands and feet--which leads some doctors to prescribing a loop diuretic on top of the amlodipine to control that swelling. 


Its been years since I used amlodipine for anything patient wise (its used commonly in animals with esophageal strictures to relax the esophagus so they can swallow), but I vaguely remember something about it inducing irreversable gynocomastia also.... i need to ask my step dad.  Ithink Norvasc was the drug he was taking when he had gyno problems. 

I'm working on trying ween myself off of it. It's actually only made my ankles swell once. Other then that I don't really notice any sides at all. Hypertension runs widely in my family so it's something I'll always have to watch out for.

[Vet]

I'm working on trying ween myself off of it. It's actually only made my ankles swell once. Other then that I don't really notice any sides at all. Hypertension runs widely in my family so it's something I'll always have to watch out for.

Yeah, its seeming to be more common in my family (especially my stepfathers family) too. 


I honestly have to question the way some antihypertensive drugs are prescribed in human medicine.  It seems like people who get them from a GP are on much more random combinations of drugs than those presecribed the drugs by other specialists or internists.   I know my step dad has played drug roulette with his blood pressure medications---to the point of where I think he was getting way more screwed up taking them than he was not  and it took me stepping in and suggesting somone other than his old family doctor to get his shit straight. 

The drug combinations can get to be very, very complex. I think you should encourage your doctor to look at each individual drug and their effects not just the large group.   And ask questions....   

[Rimbaud]

Yeah, its seeming to be more common in my family (especially my stepfathers family) too. 


I honestly have to question the way some antihypertensive drugs are prescribed in human medicine.  It seems like people who get them from a GP are on much more random combinations of drugs than those presecribed the drugs by other specialists or internists.   I know my step dad has played drug roulette with his blood pressure medications---to the point of where I think he was getting way more screwed up taking them than he was not  and it took me stepping in and suggesting somone other than his old family doctor to get his shit straight. 

The drug combinations can get to be very, very complex. I think you should encourage your doctor to look at each individual drug and their effects not just the large group.   And ask questions....   

I couldn't agree more but most "modern" doctors & hospitals have everything that any doctor has ever done or given you a script for. We did a lot of traveling this summer & I hate flying so I was looking for some Valium. They almost wouldn't give it to me because I'd gotten a script for Ambien. After having the doctor look at when it was prescribed (over a year ago) I was able to get it...crazy.

[Vet]

I couldn't agree more but most "modern" doctors & hospitals have everything that any doctor has ever done or given you a script for. We did a lot of traveling this summer & I hate flying so I was looking for some Valium. They almost wouldn't give it to me because I'd gotten a script for Ambien. After having the doctor look at when it was prescribed (over a year ago) I was able to get it...crazy.

That depends on computerized records or not.   Its one of the issues with the presidential elections if you listen carefully.    I live in the rural SouthEast.  I've lived in multiple states (including splitting between three states at one time) over the last 10 years.   I doubt it seriously if one of the poodunk hospitals around here could do that. 

[Rimbaud]

That depends on computerized records or not.   Its one of the issues with the presidential elections if you listen carefully.    I live in the rural SouthEast.  I've lived in multiple states (including splitting between three states at one time) over the last 10 years.   I doubt it seriously if one of the poodunk hospitals around here could do that. 

You're probably right. I live in the Metro-Detroit area so there's a couple different hospital "chains" there. That being said I still take my cats to the "mom & pop" vet near me.

[Vet]

You're probably right. I live in the Metro-Detroit area so there's a couple different hospital "chains" there. That being said I still take my cats to the "mom & pop" vet near me.

LOL.  Remember, when it comes to computerized records, veterinary hospitals are about 15 years behind human hospitals---or it seems that way. 


I provide consultation for a local hospital--a fairly busy one grossing close to 300K a year with one full time veterinarian doing about 50% cattle/horses.   They ONLY have paper records (Ie no computer in the building).   Its a mess in that place trying to figure out medical records.   A real mess. 

[Rimbaud]

LOL.  Remember, when it comes to computerized records, veterinary hospitals are about 15 years behind human hospitals---or it seems that way. 


I provide consultation for a local hospital--a fairly busy one grossing close to 300K a year with one full time veterinarian doing about 50% cattle/horses.   They ONLY have paper records (Ie no computer in the building).   Its a mess in that place trying to figure out medical records.   A real mess. 

I can only imagine what a clusterfuck that would be with nothing computerized.

However, I think that stuck with my vet because that had no issue with putting the name "Psycho" in their files & they forgave him for destroying (no joke) the exam room & shitting on the floor (actually worked out well because I forget the stool sample).

[tolliscd]

so with all this being said. what is the safest thing i should take? I dont want to take diruetics on a daily basis. Should i start of some Lipitor and clonidine or Norvasc(spelling) or what? Which is the safest route that most doctors would prescribe? Thx for the info
Also isnt clonidine something they use for people coming off drugs? Like opiates and stuff?

[Captain Equipoise]

If it's any help I take 10mg of Norvasc everyday for hypertension.

Dude, that shit is EVIL, I fucking hate that shit to death!!!! I was put on it, my ankles blew up and turned to cankles...apparently this is one of the side effects!!! which I read up on later, are your ankles chunky and holding water? if so , it's the norvasc. Since I've switched to Attacand+  (the + includes a low dosed (16mg) diuretic / dyazide) and I couldn't be happier!)

Also recommend for elevated blood pressure, a great product called Diovan

[Luolamies]

I think that Linatil is a very good drug for hypertension (enalapril maleate). I take it 5mg per day and it keeps my BP in check and i don't have any negative sides (at least that i know of). My cholesterol has allways been pretty low so i cant help out with that one, except that you should be taking plenty of fish oils.

[elite_lifter]

^^^^^ how old are you guys , all drugged on that garbage.

[Captain Equipoise]

^^^^^ how old are you guys , all drugged on that garbage.

29

[DIVISION]

Dyazide is a potassium sparing loop diuretic. its basically used to treat the fluid retention that occurs as a result of activation of the Renin, angiotensin, aldosterone system in the body secondary to hypertension.  The body has this complex response to hypertension in that it will decrease cardiac output secondary to hypertension to try to maintain blood perfusion. The body recognizes this decrease in output as a decrease in blood volume, so it tries to increase blood volume by secreting Renin. Renin acts on angiotensin, creating angiotensinogenI and II which costricts blood vessels and leads to increased secretion of Aldosterone.  The aldosterone causes the sodium retention that leads to fluid retention. 

In terms of pure hypertension, it makes more sense to try to catch the process early with an ACE inhibitor than later with a diuretic.  Now that said, there is a point where a diuretic like Dyazide may be needed and will work very good as long as cardiac function is retained.   Hydrochlorothiazide is a relatively benign diuretic that has been around for a long, long time.  Side effects are generally minimal.  (IE Lasix is much "harsher" on the body)

Clonidine is an alpha 2 agonist.  Honestly, my experience with this drug is really limited other than for a few times I've seen it used as an additive to anesthesia for alpha 2 agonist sensitive species (cervidae).  Xylazine (an analogue to clonidine) is a much better Alpha 2 anesthetic drug in my opinion.   You have to be very careful of rebound hypertension when using all Alpha 2's in veterinary patients. I'm sure the same warnings hold true for humans, although xylazine isn't a human drug. 

Rebound Hypertension is a concern with clonidine, but that is what the Dyazide is for.

I haven't noticed any sides from Dyazide and it's potassium sparing, which is good for a lifter.

^^^^^ how old are you guys , all drugged on that garbage.

I'm 31.......

I'm just a baby in this game, won't have full muscle maturity until I'm forty.   


DIV

[Luolamies]

^^^^^ how old are you guys , all drugged on that garbage.

WELL, I'M AN OLD GUY, BEEN LIFTING FOR ALLMOST 12 YEARS, I JUST TURNED 24...

[Rimbaud]

^^^^^ how old are you guys , all drugged on that garbage.

30.