G4P...Were you better off not knowing?

[BayGBM]

In Bay's defense, I had a fairly long debate with him in which I was bitching about the state of the American educational system K-college (and I was correct) and his basic position was that it's the individual's job to deal with it (and he was also correct).  He didn't mention teh gay once.

Thanks for pointing that out.  As you know, I have started or posted in many threads that have nothing to do with gay-lore including ones on education, religion, genetics, cloning, politics, government, comic books, movies, personal grooming, and a host of others.  But my critics aren’t reading those threads because that is not what they are interested in.  They have consistently chosen to read and reply in these “offensive” gay threads because—for whatever reason-- that is where their interests lie.

Notice, by the way, there are plenty of getbiggers who never show up in these gay threads; it is almost always the usual suspects.  You can draw your own conclusions as to why that is. 

[bigbobs]

have consistently chosen to read and reply in these “offensive” gay threads because—for whatever reason-- that is where their interests lie.

The "reason" is annoyance.  Logging on getbig and seeing another "gay" thread started by BayGBM...so I clicked and I saw a picture of three pro bodybuilders in Weider's office with their shirts off and skipped over the several pages and simply posted the pic questioning what makes it gay - to which you still have not been able to provide an adequate response to.

Don't flatter yourself with the fact that you get annoyed replies on your gay threads.  If Vince Goodrum starts a thread on his stellar condition he would likely get many replies too.

[drkaje]

"Clonning" a pet isn't gay?

The "reason" is annoyance.  Logging on getbig and seeing another "gay" thread started by BayGBM...so I clicked and I saw a picture of three pro bodybuilders in Weider's office with their shirts off and skipped over the several pages and simply posted the pic questioning what makes it gay - to which you still have not been able to provide an adequate response to.

Don't flatter yourself with the fact that you get annoyed replies on your gay threads.  If Vince Goodrum starts a thread on his stellar condition he would likely get many replies too.

The best defense is a good offense. 

Regular posts, in regular threads wouldn't give her any attention. A few of them thrive on attention and can't even think straight, LOL!

Anyways, I'm going to take a break from being bored by this attention whore until people get to exercise free speech on Proposition 8.

[suckmymuscle]

  BayGBM accuses us of being gay for reading and posting in his thread. However, what he ignores is that it's not required to actually open his threads to know it's about a gay issue, because the very title of the thread already implies it is gay related.

  And I assure, you, Bay, that I don't usually read your threads. I never opened any of your multiple gay threads at the Sexy Board, exactly because I know what's in there. It just so happens that the topic of gay4pay in bodybuilding interests me, in the same way that it interests most other members of this board, and in the same way that heterosexual America was very interested in reading about senator Larry Craig being caught haveing gay sex in a public bathroom. That is called curiosity; it is Human nature.

  Since I opened this thread and read it, and since I don't usually open your threads, I took the opportunity to give you a wake up call for you to stop being so obsessed with gayness and to actually start discussing other topics. If you have actually talked about other things other than homosexuality, then I am sorry but it just so happens that every thread from you that I see has a gay title, so I assumed they are all gay related. So you have two out of hundreds of threads you've started that is not related to homosexuality? Nice.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[drkaje]

  BayGBM accuses us of being gay for reading and posting in his thread. However, what he ignores is that it's not required to actually open his threads to know it's about a gay issue, because the very title of the thread already implies it is gay related.

  And I assure, you, Bay, that I don't usually read your threads. I never opened any of your multiple gay threads at the Sexy Board, exactly becuse I know what's in there. It just so happens that the topic of gay4pay in bodybuilding interests me, in the same way that it interests most other memebers of this board, and in the same way that heterosexual America was very interested in reading about senator Larry Craig being caught haveing gay sex in a public bathroom. That is called curiosity; it is Human nature.

  Since I opened this thread and read it, and since I don't usually open your threads, I took the opportunity to give you a wake up call for you to stop being so obsessed with gayness and to actually start discussing other topics. If you have actually talked about other things other than homosexuality, then I am sorry but it just so happens that every thread from you that I see has a gay title, so I assumed they are all gay related. So you have two out of hundreds of threads you've started that is not related to homosexuality? Nice.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

You are probably in denial about being gay yourself.

[suckmymuscle]

You are probably in denial about being gay yourself.

  Oh, but according to Bay's theories that would apply to you as well, since you are posting in one of his threads.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[TrueGrit]

If you do or say any shit Bay don't like, you're gay.

HTH 

[suckmymuscle]

If you do or say any shit Bay don't like, you're gay.

HTH 

  Yeah, that pretty much sums it up.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[kimura]

I am surprised Arvilla had no idea about G4P in Massachusetts.  I believe we trained at the same gyms and traveled in the same circles.

I saw G4P all over Boston.  The first time was in 1991 at World's Gym in Somerville, MA.  A national level competitor was on the pay phone describing his body and what he would/would not do (Mike you have mentioned this guy many times).

[DeltsaForce]

why shouldnt they take money from desperate and sad fags? i would gladly sell my shit stained underwaer or pose for some pathetic and lonely queer looking to blow his stash before teh hiv catches him

[drkaje]

I am surprised Arvilla had no idea about G4P in Massachusetts.  I believe we trained at the same gyms and traveled in the same circles.

I saw G4P all over Boston.  The first time was in 1991 at World's Gym in Somerville, MA.  A national level competitor was on the pay phone describing his body and what he would/would not do (Mike you have mentioned this guy many times).

Maybe Mike was 'offseason' or 'bulking' back then and wasn't asked. 

[bigdumbbell]

why shouldnt they take money from desperate and sad fags? i would gladly sell my shit stained underwaer or pose for some pathetic and lonely queer looking to blow his stash before teh hiv catches him

HAHA oh brother

[CAPTAIN INSANO]

[GoneAway]

As you know, I have started or posted in many threads that have nothing to do with gay-lore including ones on education, religion, genetics, cloning, politics, government, comic books, movies, personal grooming, and a host of others.  But my critics aren’t reading those threads because that is not what they are interested in.  They have consistently chosen to read and reply in these “offensive” gay threads because—for whatever reason-- that is where their interests lie.

Ignorant statement. Alot of us simply choose not to bother with discussing things that don't relate to training or the sport of bodybuilding on GetBig.

[Tapeworm]

Thanks for pointing that out.  As you know, I have started or posted in many threads that have nothing to do with gay-lore including ones on education, religion, genetics, cloning, politics, government, comic books, movies, personal grooming, and a host of others.  But my critics aren’t reading those threads because that is not what they are interested in.  They have consistently chosen to read and reply in these “offensive” gay threads because—for whatever reason-- that is where their interests lie.

Notice, by the way, there are plenty of getbiggers who never show up in these gay threads; it is almost always the usual suspects.  You can draw your own conclusions as to why that is. 

Just don't read anything into it stud. 

I guess you do post about gay stuff pretty frequently, but no more frequently than some straight guys about their t&a.  There's many a "would you hit it" thread every week... although you never really know what you're going to find in there.  If you think about gay sex as much as straights think about straight sex, that's a lot of thinking about sex!

Still think you should spill the beans.  Help the guy be gay and proud.

[nycbull]

G4P is a part of the industry and will be that way forever.

Most of your posts are homosexual in nature. I post about politics, beer, bitches, training, injury, etc... I can only recall seeing one recent post from you that wasn't about gayness.

I don't have any problem with homosexuals but do find fags boorish and myopic. Same as anyone else who must be addresses primarily through a particular perspective instead of as a person first.

You're more or less the stereotypical gay, obsessed with all things gay and trying to make the world comply by pointing out homosexuality everywhere to not feel so out of place. A confident person that is educated should have more going on in their brain than concentrating on their sexual identity all day.

There is nothing wrong or special about being gay. Get over yourself.

very good post drkaje, you are right there are some gay people that cannot see the world outside their own self centered, self absorbed gay obsessed lives. They have sex on the brain and can hardly relate to any person without a sexual agenda, they objectify men and see them as opportunities for sexual gratification, they feel they are the sexual elite and know more about other peoples sexuality especially straights, than the people know themselves.   They may have money, degrees etc. but their mental life is shallow and driven by sexual compulsion. They usual are very promiscuous burning out eventualy on sex and needing other thrills to get them off, one of their favorites is shocking and titilating straight people with tales of gay sex, and innuendos and accusations of straight men having sex with gay men, their biggest fantasy. It is totaly delusional but it gratifies them and makes them feel superior and that is really all that matters to them.  They are elitists and although they need straight peoples acceptance of their behavior to normalize it, they believe they are better and more worldly than straight people.  The gratification they get by reporting alleged sex between gay men and straight men and starting rumours and innuendo of g4pay really comes from hatred and vindictiveness towards straight men.
 
It seems today that straight men, particularly bb's, are being socialy repressed the same way gays, women and blacks were treated many years ago. For some people they expect a straight man, and especially white straight men, to always act in some dry stoic controlled masculine way otherwise they are accused of being weak, or soft, or feminine and not in control and may easily leap to doing something gay...Its like they want men and especially white men to always be the big man in charge, be the master, otherwise their integrity, strength and sexuality can all come into question and these bigoted few relish the opportunities to hurt the reputations of these men...It is fear and fantasy combined resulting in a hateful form of bigotry and repression that is perpetrated by bitter feminists and vindictive queers...The former want to see men as all bullies, ogres or dolts and the latter want to see them as all secretly wanting gay sex. Is it some form of payback for past repression? I dont know but whatever it is, it is hurtful to men and bad for society.

because of this expressed hatred, straight men and especially bodybuilders cannot act in any creative, expressive or emotional way or else there is some misguided fool accusing them of doing doing g4p. They cannot have gay friends or hang around gay people. They cant even wear clothes that were once icons of masculinity...denim, work boots, leather, hunting gear, carpentry gear, fishing gear, wife beaters, moustaches and beards....All of these styles existed long before any gay pride dance.   I feel bad for some straight guy that cant wear a pair of leather chaps to protect himself while riding his motorcycle without some queer accusing him of looking for g4p, or some guy cant wear a pair of workboots and a tank top to do some yard work without some schmoe saying he is gay curious, or worse yet some poor guy cant even wear his uniform for his blue collar job without accused of dressing too gay...or some poor bodybuilder cannot even pose for an artistic, or sexy picture without people wondering how far a leap before he does g4p or gay porn...... It is getting ridiculous and it is hateful repression.

I hope the guys on this board take back their masculinity from the feminists and elitist queers and stop buying into their bullshit. Be proud of your masculinity and physical masculine characteristics. Wear whatever clothes you see fit that makes you feel hyper masculine and good about yourself,  Pose for any picture in any manner you want , and show off you body to anyone you please without the fear and intimidation from elitist gays wanting to impose their hateful fantasy on you. 

So dkjea you are right, some gays are myopic and boring and I will ad that some are also vindictive, bigoted and hateful towards straight men.

I apologize for my spelling and grammer, but this topic is getting so old.

[WillGrant]

very good post drkaje, you are right there are some gay people that cannot see the world outside their own self centered, self absorbed gay obsessed lives. They have sex on the brain and can hardly relate to any person without a sexual agenda, they objectify men and see them as opportunities for sexual gratification, they feel they are the sexual elite and know more about other peoples sexuality especially straights, than the people know themselves.   They may have money, degrees etc. but their mental life is shallow and driven by sexual compulsion. They usual are very promiscuous burning out eventualy on sex and needing other thrills to get them off, one of their favorites is shocking and titilating straight people with tales of gay sex, and innuendos and accusations of straight men having sex with gay men, their biggest fantasy. It is totaly delusional but it gratifies them and makes them feel superior and that is really all that matters to them.  They are elitists and although they need straight peoples acceptance of their behavior to normalize it, they believe they are better and more worldly than straight people.  The gratification they get by reporting alleged sex between gay men and straight men and starting rumours and innuendo of g4pay really comes from hatred and vindictiveness towards straight men.
 
It seems today that straight men, particularly bb's, are being socialy repressed the same way gays, women and blacks were treated many years ago. For some people they expect a straight man, and especially white straight men, to always act in some dry stoic controlled masculine way otherwise they are accused of being weak, or soft, or feminine and not in control and may easily leap to doing something gay...Its like they want men and especially white men to always be the big man in charge, be the master, otherwise their integrity, strength and sexuality can all come into question and these bigoted few relish the opportunities to hurt the reputations of these men...It is fear and fantasy combined resulting in a hateful form of bigotry and repression that is perpetrated by bitter feminists and vindictive queers...The former want to see men as all bullies, ogres or dolts and the latter want to see them as all secretly wanting gay sex. Is it some form of payback for past repression? I dont know but whatever it is, it is hurtful to men and bad for society.

because of this expressed hatred, straight men and especially bodybuilders cannot act in any creative, expressive or emotional way or else there is some misguided fool accusing them of doing doing g4p. They cannot have gay friends or hang around gay people. They cant even wear clothes that were once icons of masculinity...denim, work boots, leather, hunting gear, carpentry gear, fishing gear, wife beaters, moustaches and beards....All of these styles existed long before any gay pride dance.   I feel bad for some straight guy that cant wear a pair of leather chaps to protect himself while riding his motorcycle without some queer accusing him of looking for g4p, or some guy cant wear a pair of workboots and a tank top to do some yard work without some schmoe saying he is gay curious, or worse yet some poor guy cant even wear his uniform for his blue collar job without accused of dressing too gay...or some poor bodybuilder cannot even pose for an artistic, or sexy picture without people wondering how far a leap before he does g4p or gay porn...... It is getting ridiculous and it is hateful repression.

I hope the guys on this board take back their masculinity from the feminists and elitist queers and stop buying into their bullshit. Be proud of your masculinity and physical masculine characteristics. Wear whatever clothes you see fit that makes you feel hyper masculine and good about yourself,  Pose for any picture in any manner you want , and show off you body to anyone you please without the fear and intimidation from elitist gays wanting to impose their hateful fantasy on you. 

So dkjea you are right, some gays are myopic and boring and I will ad that some are also vindictive, bigoted and hateful towards straight men.

I apologize for my spelling and grammer, but this topic is getting so old.

X2 On agreement with drkaje...

I tryed pointing it out to Bay in a less suttle way but the point remains the same..

Gays like yourself and Tim who contribute so much to this board without waving the "fagdom" in your face is far more apreciated than Bays constant sexual enuendos..

You are gay and I dont care but guys like Bay I find quite sick..

You have my respect mate 

[Vince Goodrum CSN MFG]

Actually many things are still hidden.
They dont advertise that much.
If you want to book a session with Cormier it is very
difficult to aproach him, when he is in a bad mood.
There should be some booking agency for all the pros
and non pros, it would make things
much easier and normalize the price also.

[drkaje]

Actually many things are still hidden.
They dont advertise that much.
If you want to book a session with Cormier it is very
difficult to aproach him, when he is in a bad mood.
There should be some booking agency for all the pros
and non pros, it would make things
much easier and normalize the price also.

How much did the session cost you?

[Tapeworm]

Lol that's one cat out of the bag.

[nycbull]

X2 On agreement with drkaje...

I tryed pointing it out to Bay in a less suttle way but the point remains the same..

Gays like yourself and Tim who contribute so much to this board without waving the "fagdom" in your face is far more apreciated than Bays constant sexual enuendos..

You are gay and I dont care but guys like Bay I find quite sick..

You have my respect mate 

thanks dude, I dont dislike bay he seems smart on a lot of issues we just disagree on this one....But there are some in our community that cannot see outside their little world and relish flaunting and 'exposing' it to straights. Andrew Sullivan has tried to criticize gays for it but took a lot of heat and called homophobic, as some will probably call me.

Also this g4p thing is really not gay or straight at all, as one person pointed out earlier in the thread it is mostly exhibitionsim and performance and ego satisfaction, nothing wrong with that...on the other side, prostitution, it is just immoral behavior,  not straight or gay behavior.

[drkaje]

thanks dude, I dont dislike bay he seems smart on a lot of issues we just disagree on this one....But there are some in our community that cannot see outside their little world and relish flaunting and 'exposing' it to straights. Andrew Sullivan has tried to criticize gays for it but took a lot of heat and called homophobic, as some will probably call me.

Also this g4p thing is really not gay or straight at all, as one person pointed out earlier in the thread it is mostly exhibitionsim and performance and ego satisfaction, nothing wrong with that...on the other side, prostitution, it is just immoral behavior,  not straight or gay behavior.

Didn't even know you were gay, LOL!

[nycbull]

Didn't even know you were gay, LOL!

haha, i used to put something in my avatar/signature just so i didnt have to keep explaining it...ill have to think of something

[drkaje]

haha, i used to put something in my avatar/signature just so i didnt have to keep explaining it...ill have to think of something

There's no need to explain. You don't owe us a thing.

[suckmymuscle]

very good post drkaje, you are right there are some gay people that cannot see the world outside their own self centered, self absorbed gay obsessed lives. They have sex on the brain and can hardly relate to any person without a sexual agenda, they objectify men and see them as opportunities for sexual gratification, they feel they are the sexual elite and know more about other peoples sexuality especially straights, than the people know themselves.   They may have money, degrees etc. but their mental life is shallow and driven by sexual compulsion. They usual are very promiscuous burning out eventualy on sex and needing other thrills to get them off, one of their favorites is shocking and titilating straight people with tales of gay sex, and innuendos and accusations of straight men having sex with gay men, their biggest fantasy. It is totaly delusional but it gratifies them and makes them feel superior and that is really all that matters to them.  They are elitists and although they need straight peoples acceptance of their behavior to normalize it, they believe they are better and more worldly than straight people.  The gratification they get by reporting alleged sex between gay men and straight men and starting rumours and innuendo of g4pay really comes from hatred and vindictiveness towards straight men.
 
It seems today that straight men, particularly bb's, are being socialy repressed the same way gays, women and blacks were treated many years ago. For some people they expect a straight man, and especially white straight men, to always act in some dry stoic controlled masculine way otherwise they are accused of being weak, or soft, or feminine and not in control and may easily leap to doing something gay...Its like they want men and especially white men to always be the big man in charge, be the master, otherwise their integrity, strength and sexuality can all come into question and these bigoted few relish the opportunities to hurt the reputations of these men...It is fear and fantasy combined resulting in a hateful form of bigotry and repression that is perpetrated by bitter feminists and vindictive queers...The former want to see men as all bullies, ogres or dolts and the latter want to see them as all secretly wanting gay sex. Is it some form of payback for past repression? I dont know but whatever it is, it is hurtful to men and bad for society.

because of this expressed hatred, straight men and especially bodybuilders cannot act in any creative, expressive or emotional way or else there is some misguided fool accusing them of doing doing g4p. They cannot have gay friends or hang around gay people. They cant even wear clothes that were once icons of masculinity...denim, work boots, leather, hunting gear, carpentry gear, fishing gear, wife beaters, moustaches and beards....All of these styles existed long before any gay pride dance.   I feel bad for some straight guy that cant wear a pair of leather chaps to protect himself while riding his motorcycle without some queer accusing him of looking for g4p, or some guy cant wear a pair of workboots and a tank top to do some yard work without some schmoe saying he is gay curious, or worse yet some poor guy cant even wear his uniform for his blue collar job without accused of dressing too gay...or some poor bodybuilder cannot even pose for an artistic, or sexy picture without people wondering how far a leap before he does g4p or gay porn...... It is getting ridiculous and it is hateful repression.

I hope the guys on this board take back their masculinity from the feminists and elitist queers and stop buying into their bullshit. Be proud of your masculinity and physical masculine characteristics. Wear whatever clothes you see fit that makes you feel hyper masculine and good about yourself,  Pose for any picture in any manner you want , and show off you body to anyone you please without the fear and intimidation from elitist gays wanting to impose their hateful fantasy on you. 

So dkjea you are right, some gays are myopic and boring and I will ad that some are also vindictive, bigoted and hateful towards straight men.

I apologize for my spelling and grammer, but this topic is getting so old.

  Great post. Gays absolutely hate the fact that straight men won't sleep with them, so they feel the need to put straight men down by whatever means necessary. This is the secret that few gay guys will tell you: gay men, as a general rule, don't find other gays attractive. What they really want are straight men. Just look over dating sites like Craiglist and you'll see that the gay ads all call for "straight acting" or "masculine acting" men. Stereotypical femme gays? None wants them. Why? Because being gay is about being attracted to men, not women, and the bottom line is that the overwhelming majority of gay men act and behave like women. They go out of their way to appear masculine because this is what they like, but deep down they resent the fact that they need to play the masculine role because, being effeminate, gay men like to be wooed.

SUCKMYMUSCLE