Author Topic: ARNOLD to OBAMA: You are more than Welcome to compete at the Arnold Classic.  (Read 11183 times)

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You have an MBA huh?

I overlook a lot of your mistakes, and never call you out for asinine statements.  I play very nice, and debate topics without ever making personal shots at intelligence or education.

You sure ya wanna go there?

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I overlook a lot of your mistakes, and never call you out for asinine statements.  I play very nice, and debate topics without ever making personal shots at intelligence or education.

You sure ya wanna go there?

Meaning you should know the difference between gross sales and profit. Sorry if I offended you. For him to even make a $130,000k he would have to do a million in sales on which he gets taxed, then he gets taxed on personal income. Yes, he WILL get taxed up the ass. He would have to do almost $3mil in SALES to come close to $250,000 in profit.

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Currently, "rich" people are getting tax up the ass. Even double taxed.
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I lost all respect for Arnold, he's acting like a fuckin idiot. He never had too much tact and never cared about other people feelings to begin with..... :-X
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Obama will def win!

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McCain will def win!

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 Stop it........it's too late for confusion >:(

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Stop it........it's too late for confusion >:(


 ;D I just ate chocolate so I am not thinking straight.

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Janet in 2012!!   :P

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 ;D I just ate chocolate so I am not thinking straight.



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I never really got into Tootsy Rolls.  ;D

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I never really got into Tootsy Rolls.  ;D
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Meaning you should know the difference between gross sales and profit. Sorry if I offended you. For him to even make a $130,000k he would have to do a million in sales on which he gets taxed, then he gets taxed on personal income. Yes, he WILL get taxed up the ass. He would have to do almost $3mil in SALES to come close to $250,000 in profit.

I thought Obama was about taxing people above that?
Sorry, I'm not from the US, just interested.

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Rob......a little FYI. $250,000 a year isn't alot of of money for a contracting business. As I have said before, the profit margin on that GROSS amount might be about 18% at best, that's about $45000. if the business is ran right, approximatly 25-30% should be re-invested back into the business for growth, he's taking home about $33,000. Rob, that's $250,000 in SALES not profit. Now he would be getting taxed on the $33k.

DO THE MATH. Rob, I know how the contracting business works backwards and forwards.

Meaning you should know the difference between gross sales and profit. Sorry if I offended you. For him to even make a $130,000k he would have to do a million in sales on which he gets taxed, then he gets taxed on personal income. Yes, he WILL get taxed up the ass. He would have to do almost $3mil in SALES to come close to $250,000 in profit.

WTF?  Joe I'm not an MBA but I do contract.  Tax is levied on gross profit, not gross sales (as I'm sure you know, but that last post was a little vague).  Also, overhead, insurance costs, materials supplied, etc, varies vastly between industries and trades, and even within a single trade depending on how the guy wants to run it, so there's no way to say what percentage of gross sales is profit.  Last, a director can choose his salary and tax liability, or engage a trust to take franked dividends from the company's net, but the money doesn't get double taxed - either the company claims the deduction as payroll and the individual pays the tax, or the company pays the tax and issues a franked dividend at the director's discrecion..  If you're paying tax twice on the same money, shoot your accountant.

I'm sure you know the fitness contracting business inside and out, but there are lots of kinds of contracting, from ditch digging to hyperspecialized expert consulting.  No one can be an expert on all of these.

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oh man.. that's just so lame from Arnie..  :-\

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WTF?  Joe I'm not an MBA but I do contract.  Tax is levied on gross profit, not gross sales (as I'm sure you know, but that last post was a little vague).  Also, overhead, insurance costs, materials supplied, etc, varies vastly between industries and trades, and even within a single trade depending on how the guy wants to run it, so there's no way to say what percentage of gross sales is profit.  Last, a director can choose his salary and tax liability, or engage a trust to take franked dividends from the company's net.

I'm sure you know the fitness contracting business inside and out, but there are lots of kinds of contracting, from ditch digging to hyperspecialized expert consulting.  No one can be an expert on all of these.

I don't know how it works in the US, but tax on turnover wouldn't make any sense.
In my country you must pay 25% tax on profit and from what's left, you must pay 25% again if you cash dividends.

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I don't know how it works in the US, but tax on turnover wouldn't make any sense.
In my country you must pay 25% tax on profit and from what's left, you must pay 25% again if you cash dividends.

To be honest, I don't know how it works in the US either, so maybe Joe is going to own me bad.  :D 

Are you saying that a company can't distribute it's profit as the director sees fit where you are, Wave?  Anytime you move net $ out of the company's bank account, you lose 25% to tax?! 

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Rob......a little FYI. $250,000 a year isn't alot of of money for a contracting business. As I have said before, the profit margin on that GROSS amount might be about 18% at best, that's about $45000. if the business is ran right, approximatly 25-30% should be re-invested back into the business for growth, he's taking home about $33,000. Rob, that's $250,000 in SALES not profit. Now he would be getting taxed on the $33k.

DO THE MATH. Rob, I know how the contracting business works backwards and forwards.
Do you even know what the definition of profit margin is? Obama's plan would increase taxes on small businesses earning greater than $250K in gross income, not revenue. You are a truly a dumbass. I guess you have no problem giving tax breaks to Exxon Mobil...lol. Joe, you are the biggest joke on this board!

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FAIL  ;D
lol i put the video between the img tags :-\

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its not showing up for me now still, ca any of you see it?

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its not showing up for me now still, ca any of you see it?

ya, thanks for posting it  :D

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To be honest, I don't know how it works in the US either, so maybe Joe is going to own me bad.  :D 

Are you saying that a company can't distribute it's profit as the director sees fit where you are, Wave?  Anytime you move net $ out of the company's bank account, you lose 25% to tax?! 

First of all, I'm talking about joint-stock companies only.

Once a year you gotta pay corporate income tax on the companies profit (this is after all expenses). It's a flat tax of 25%. What's left is not taxed anymore as long as it's used for the company (it can stay within the company as long as seen necessary for liquidity). However, usually you will see to it that eventually you pay it out (that is, if you continue to make profit), since it has been taxed already with the 25%. That's the big problem with the model of corporate income tax IMO, it hinders re-investment into the company. At least it's better now, a few years back it was 34%.

As soon as you decide to pay out dividends from those profits of the current year or one of the former years, you must pay 25% again. That adds up to about 44% real tax on the dividends. When and how much of the profit of the current or former years is payed out, is a joint decision made by the share holders. The distribution of whatever is payed out is determined by company shares.