Do you agree w/this? Bobby in 2016

[Cap]

Regardless of your repetitive posting of the percentage of the black population, if you just look at voting behavior in this election and consider whites racist, blacks (despite their numbers) are just as racist.  End of story.  Bush, Palin, and sympathy for racism got Obama elected. 

FYI, I know plenty of white people who would have voted for Powell in previous elections although probably not now.

[timfogarty]

most people voted for their candidate because they felt he was the most qualified or shared their values.  Some blacks who may have not otherwise bothered to vote did so because finally after 232 years, finally there is someone who looks like them.   

But certainly racism still exists in this country and there are whites who would never vote for a non-white candidate. 

[Cap]

most people voted for their candidate because they felt he was the most qualified or shared their values.  Some blacks who may have not otherwise bothered to vote did so because finally after 232 years, finally there is someone who looks like them.  Most people voted for the word "Change" and at least 12% of the entire population voted on race alone.  What does looking like someone matter if they actually represent you?  I'm sure they could thank white liberals like Ted Kennedy for all the social programs that help them stay at home and collect a check, or benefit from affirmative action.  Voting based on skin color is racist, so I guess the black population outed themselves as racist again.  Nobody will ever call them on it though.  Nobody is even talking about their homophobic attitudes in CA.  Talk about a free pass in life.

But certainly racism still exists in this country and there are whites who would never vote for a non-white candidate.  And blacks like Donovan McNabb who never voted for a non-black candidate.

[240 is Back]

[CQ]

Regardless of your repetitive posting of the percentage of the black population, if you just look at voting behavior in this election and consider whites racist, blacks (despite their numbers) are just as racist.  End of story.  Bush, Palin, and sympathy for racism got Obama elected. 

FYI, I know plenty of white people who would have voted for Powell in previous elections although probably not now.

Actually, I've seen plenty around from you to know your quite the little race poster and makes little sense to reason.

Post on, spew away, Obama will still be Prez Jan 20th

[Straw Man]

what has he done as Gov so far?

[Cap]

Actually, I've seen plenty around from you to know your quite the little race poster and makes little sense to reason.

Post on, spew away, Obama will still be Prez Jan 20th

Especially when you can't back up your argument.  You assume more about white people and myself and you know little.  I've never seen a white person on the news stating how glad they are the "white guy" won or that the black guy didn't win (more of a party nomination thing) but it's okay for black people to say it's a great day in the nation because a "black guy" won.  Not that a good leader (in their minds) won, but the "black guy".  Like I said, you assume a lot about a race that helped ensure your dude won the presidency.

I still laugh. "Well, the racists automatically defaulted to McCain."  Great post on your part.

Like I said, before this election you'd probably see a lot of people saying they'd vote for Powell.  In fact, I was one of them.  Obama is a joke.  He started back tracking on promises the night he won.  But don't worry, post on, spew your idiocy, Obama will still be raising taxes Jan 20th.

[big L dawg]

guy reminds me of that preacher kid in There will be blood.

[timfogarty]

I'm sure they could thank white liberals like Ted Kennedy for all the social programs that help them stay at home and collect a check, or benefit from affirmative action.

Please provide some evidence that the rate that blacks are staying at home and collecting checks is any different than other groups.  Normalize to the poverty rate if you can.   Unemployment benefits run out very quickly.  TANF (the replacement to AFDC) has a lifetime limit of 60 months and requires the mothers to work or take classes.   most other government assistance requires some sort of disability.

and the purpose of affirmative action was to counter white affirmative action, otherwise called the old-boy network.   not that long ago, it was pretty much impossible to get certain jobs in government or big business  without knowing someone already there.  since there were few or no minorities already inside, other minorities had no way to get their foot in the door. 

[CQ]

Especially when you can't back up your argument.  You assume more about white people and myself and you know little.  I've never seen a white person on the news stating how glad they are the "white guy" won or that the black guy didn't win (more of a party nomination thing) but it's okay for black people to say it's a great day in the nation because a "black guy" won.  Not that a good leader (in their minds) won, but the "black guy".  Like I said, you assume a lot about a race that helped ensure your dude won the presidency.

I still laugh. "Well, the racists automatically defaulted to McCain."  Great post on your part.

Like I said, before this election you'd probably see a lot of people saying they'd vote for Powell.  In fact, I was one of them.  Obama is a joke.  He started back tracking on promises the night he won.  But don't worry, post on, spew your idiocy, Obama will still be raising taxes Jan 20th.

I can easily back up my arguements, but you are too race obsessed to be rational. By your mentality all the lost senate and congress seats must be over race as well? Not just the Prez race was lost by the GOP, they got their ass kicked all over the place in many down ticket elections.

GOP brand is damaged simple, something they are even saying, hence the easy Obama win.

Neither party wishes to lose elections, the latino vote is larger then the black vote already. They are catered to with Spanish election ads, talk of a debate in Spanish etc. Latinos will be a powerful voting block in years to come far outweighing blacks. Guess no strict immmgration control will be bandied about anytime soon, unless a party wants to loose, notice both parties dodged that like mad this year already

If the black vote upsets you, well lol as it's nothing compared to the Latino vote who also split for Obama and are trending more democratic each election, and is by far the largest growing segment at a rate of like 5 times the rest of the population.

I expect you to melt like mad over the strong power the latino vote will wield in future years 

[Arnold jr]

The king of England was also the head of the Church of England.  Bishops had great political power, and had a history of abusing it, just as did the aristocracy.  The founders wanted to put an end to that.

"The primary leaders [George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Ethan Allen, James Madison, and James Monroe] of the so-called founding fathers of our nation were not Bible-believing Christians; they were deists. Deism was a philosophical belief that was widely accepted by the colonial intelligentsia at the time of the American Revolution. Its major tenets included belief in human reason as a reliable means of solving social and political problems and belief in a supreme deity who created the universe to operate solely by natural laws. The supreme God of the Deists removed himself entirely from the universe after creating it. They believed that he assumed no control over it, exerted no influence on natural phenomena, and gave no supernatural revelation to man. A necessary consequence of these beliefs was a rejection of many doctrines central to the Christian religion. Deists did not believe in the virgin birth, divinity, or resurrection of Jesus, the efficacy of prayer, the miracles of the Bible, or even the divine inspiration of the Bible. "

This has become one of the biggest misconceptions about our founding fathers. Where or how people have come up with this makes no sense to me, when almost all of the founding fathers writings directly talk about God and God's purpose with man. It's as if we have decided to completely ignore this to fit our own agenda today.

I'm not saying you have to believe in God yourself or not, but saying that the founding fathers were not strong Christians makes no sense at all. Here are some direct examples.

"You do well to wish to learn our arts and way of life, and above all, the religion of Jesus Christ. Congress will do everything they can to assist you in your wise intention." George Washington

"The first and almost the only book deserving of universal attention is the Bible." John Quincy Adams

"History will also frequent opportunities of showing the necessity of public religion, and the excellency of the Christian religion above all others; ancient or modern." Benjamin Franklin

"The Bible is a book worth more than all the other books that were ever printed" Patrick Henry

"Bibles are strong entrenchments. Where they abound, men cannot pursue wicked courses." James McHenry

[timfogarty]

This has become one of the biggest misconceptions about our founding fathers. Where or how people have come up with this makes no sense to me, when almost all of the founding fathers writings directly talk about God and God's purpose with man. It's as if we have decided to completely ignore this to fit our own agenda today.

well, for one, they were Freemasons, which hardly fit with Christian orthodoxy.

and for all your quotes, I can find just as many

http://www.earlyamerica.com/review/summer97/secular.html

[Arnold jr]

well, for one, they were Freemasons, which hardly fit with Christian orthodoxy.

and for all your quotes, I can find just as many

http://www.earlyamerica.com/review/summer97/secular.html

OK, I read the link.

First flaw in what I read, it states about George Washington, "In his thousands of letters, the name of Jesus Christ never appears." I posted a quote where he does in fact use the name Jesus Christ. I can give you many, many more if you want.

When I read anything, if there is a flaw in what's being said, if there is anything said that contradicts the truth, it is hard for me to give any validation to what I just read...case in point, the link you provided.

How I see it. The founders saw that the way things had been done, i.e. the Church of England, Rome, etc, was against what God intended. they had taken Christianity and made it something that it never was supposed to be...they had turned it into a weapon.

These men, the founders, saw what many today seem to turn a blind eye to. The article you posted was correct, many of these men were not official members of any congregation, but where in the Christian faith does it say, you must be a member of a congregation to be saved? It doesn't, the condition of a mans soul is based on the condition of his heart, not where he sits on Sunday morning.

Yes, the founders desired freedom from religious persecution that so many had been enslaved by. They understood that forcing any man to act or worship a certain way was a fault of man, not of God.

I could go on and on about all this but there is probably no point. Most people who have already made their minds up about the founders not being strong Christians will never change their minds no matter how much hard proof there is. Just the same, I'll leave you with one more thing. This is straight from George Washington's journal, in his journal he recorded several hundred prayers and they all reflect his beliefs in God and in Jesus Christ. Here are a few of them.

“O Most Glorious God, in Jesus Christ, my merciful and loving Father; I acknowledge and confess my guilt in the weak and imperfect performance of the duties of this day. I have called on Thee for pardon and forgiveness of my sins, but so coldly and carelessly that my prayers are become my sin, and they stand in need of pardon.”

“ I have sinned against heaven and before Thee in thought, word, and deed. I have contemned Thy majesty and holy laws. I have likewise sinned by omitting what I ought to have done and committing what I ought not. I have rebelled against the light, despising Thy mercies and judgment, and broken my vows and promise. I have neglected the better things. My iniquities are multiplied and my sins are very great. I confess them, O Lord, with shame and sorrow, detestation and loathing and desire to be vile in my own eyes as I have rendered myself vile in Thine. I humbly beseech Thee to be merciful to me in the free pardon of my sins for the sake of Thy dear Son and only Savior Jesus Christ who came to call not the righteous, but sinners to repentance. Thou gavest Thy Son to die for me.”

"Make me to know what is acceptable in Thy sight, and therein to delight, open the eyes of my understanding, and help me thoroughly to examine myself concerning my knowledge, faith, and repentance, increase my faith, and direct me to the true object, Jesus Christ the Way, the Truth, and the Life"

As said, these come straight form G.W.'s hand, the original hand written copy of this is still in tact and can be viewed in D.C. Copied versions of this book are available at most any bookstore.

[Cap]

I can easily back up my arguements, but you are too race obsessed to be rational. By your mentality all the lost senate and congress seats must be over race as well? Not just the Prez race was lost by the GOP, they got their ass kicked all over the place in many down ticket elections.

GOP brand is damaged simple, something they are even saying, hence the easy Obama win.

Neither party wishes to lose elections, the latino vote is larger then the black vote already. They are catered to with Spanish election ads, talk of a debate in Spanish etc. Latinos will be a powerful voting block in years to come far outweighing blacks. Guess no strict immmgration control will be bandied about anytime soon, unless a party wants to loose, notice both parties dodged that like mad this year already

If the black vote upsets you, well lol as it's nothing compared to the Latino vote who also split for Obama and are trending more democratic each election, and is by far the largest growing segment at a rate of like 5 times the rest of the population.

I expect you to melt like mad over the strong power the latino vote will wield in future years 

Ah, if you only knew how this assumption was so wrong.

Hispanics are a big voting population, but their votes aren't based on race like black people.  Most of them are looking to have immigrants pandered to, as you stated.  The problem is that anybody these days needs to lie to get the Hispanic vote, or any vote for that matter.  We just need to take a stand on immigration, something people are really afraid to do.  The problem there is people equate wanting strict immigration laws with hating Mexicans.  This issue involves Middle Easterners, South Americans, Europeans, Asians, etc but we always get stuck on Mexicans because they make the biggest stink and politicians pander to it.

I don't care who people vote for as long as they have a legitimate reason for voting for the person and it betters the country.  I don't see Obama, or mass amnesty/immigration as a good thing for this country.  The latter will be a longer term problem than the former.

[timfogarty]

I don't care who people vote for as long as they have a legitimate reason for voting for the person and it betters the country.  I don't see Obama, or mass amnesty/immigration as a good thing for this country. 

and how do you feel about Bush's shredding of the constitution?  suspension of habius corpus?   spying on Americans?  using signing statements to ignore the will of congress?  the ordering of torture?

[Decker]

This has become one of the biggest misconceptions about our founding fathers. Where or how people have come up with this makes no sense to me, when almost all of the founding fathers writings directly talk about God and God's purpose with man. It's as if we have decided to completely ignore this to fit our own agenda today.

...

Read version 1.0 of the US Constitution.  It's designed to est. the US as the only taxing entity of the country's citizens.  It's also designed to insulate the monied elites from the peasant farmers by vesting power in the hands of a few (representative democracy) and electoral college.

The 'right' people must govern.

Religion is nothing but rhetorical Cool Whip on the banana split.  See!  God blesses our endeavor!

[a_joker10]

most people voted for their candidate because they felt he was the most qualified or shared their values.  Some blacks who may have not otherwise bothered to vote did so because finally after 232 years, finally there is someone who looks like them.   

But certainly racism still exists in this country and there are whites who would never vote for a non-white candidate. 

That chart speaks more from Demographics that would be hurt by Democrats.
You know the ones that work in the coal mines.
The ones that work in the military.
Social conservatives that want abortion banned in the South.
Hey even Arizona vote more Republican.
It couldn't be because McCain is the governor there.

95% of blacks voted for Obama. This would easily offset any racial voting by white Americans.

[LurkerNoMore]

He essentially destroyed your point.
Your response?

He doesn't have one.  Which is why he won't post on this thread again now that his stupidity backfired and he got his ass handed to him by Tim.

[240 is Back]

He doesn't have one.  Which is why he won't post on this thread again now that his stupidity backfired and he got his ass handed to him by Tim.

That's really sad, if indeed true.

[CQ]

Ah, if you only knew how this assumption was so wrong.

Hispanics are a big voting population, but their votes aren't based on race like black people.  Most of them are looking to have immigrants pandered to, as you stated.  The problem is that anybody these days needs to lie to get the Hispanic vote, or any vote for that matter.  We just need to take a stand on immigration, something people are really afraid to do.  The problem there is people equate wanting strict immigration laws with hating Mexicans.  This issue involves Middle Easterners, South Americans, Europeans, Asians, etc but we always get stuck on Mexicans because they make the biggest stink and politicians pander to it.

I don't care who people vote for as long as they have a legitimate reason for voting for the person and it betters the country.  I don't see Obama, or mass amnesty/immigration as a good thing for this country.  The latter will be a longer term problem than the former.

I pretty much agree with most of this post.

I also find it amusing when people say blacks vote on race, when history clearly shows whites have not only voted on race, but even went as far as to ban other races from voting. 40 years ago only whites could vote, now the black, latino, jewish, asian, gay etc voting blocks are huge and can sway an election. Besides, it's too bad anyway can't rescind black ppl's votes. Times a changin

The latino vote will strong, and any appearance of tight immgration is not good to pick up their votes as you said. And they are growing, it's estimated then when the black population reaches 15% the latino will equal 30%. The chokehold they will have on the election platforms is huge which is why it amuses me. Forget tight immigration control, that platform will lose a party an election, so open borders for all the cater to the latino vote forever

People keep saying blacks split for Obama, yes so did Latinos, Jews even Natives votes in the same % as blacks. Richer people, educated people and young people all split for him. You can't win an election with poor white people and seniors as your only base.

The electorate has a changing face, this isn't the 1950's anymore. People can deal with the changing face of the electorate or not and continue to lose elections and wield less power. 2008 showed that quite well.

[Buffgeek]

what has he done as Gov so far?

When first elected he said ok we need to get things done. All the people on death row have been convicted, lets stop wasting tax payer dollars and make it happen.

One particular case we a child rapist who was on death row. Jinal moved to have his execution completed and the case went to the supreme court where they deems that the punisment did not fit the crime and he was spared the death penalty.

Defeated, Jindal then signed the Sex offender Chemical castration bill so that he could take away their weapon for good.

http://www.gov.state.la.us/index.cfm?md=newsroom&tmp=detail&articleID=268

[Cap]

I pretty much agree with most of this post.

I also find it amusing when people say blacks vote on race, when history clearly shows whites have not only voted on race, but even went as far as to ban other races from voting. 40 years ago only whites could vote, now the black, latino, jewish, asian, gay etc voting blocks are huge and can sway an election. Besides, it's too bad anyway can't rescind black ppl's votes. Times a changin

The latino vote will strong, and any appearance of tight immgration is not good to pick up their votes as you said. And they are growing, it's estimated then when the black population reaches 15% the latino will equal 30%. The chokehold they will have on the election platforms is huge which is why it amuses me. Forget tight immigration control, that platform will lose a party an election, so open borders for all the cater to the latino vote forever

People keep saying blacks split for Obama, yes so did Latinos, Jews even Natives votes in the same % as blacks. Richer people, educated people and young people all split for him. You can't win an election with poor white people and seniors as your only base.

The electorate has a changing face, this isn't the 1950's anymore. People can deal with the changing face of the electorate or not and continue to lose elections and wield less power. 2008 showed that quite well.

So we can agree that everyone is racist?  I can live with that.

The Latino vote was strong because of the states issuing illegals driver's licenses and like you said, they want to pander for more votes.  I'm sorry though, illegals should not vote.  They should have national IDs for reasons just like this.  We wonder why we pay out so much money in domestic spending, well illegals are a big reason. 

If you are legal, I'm all for you supporting a candidate but the voting illegals are looking for the candidate that will give them amnesty and they were betting on black.

[timfogarty]

The Latino vote was strong because of the states issuing illegals driver's licenses and like you said, they want to pander for more votes.  I'm sorry though, illegals should not vote.  They should have national IDs for reasons just like this.  We wonder why we pay out so much money in domestic spending, well illegals are a big reason. 

If you are legal, I'm all for you supporting a candidate but the voting illegals are looking for the candidate that will give them amnesty and they were betting on black.

there is no evidence of widespread voter fraud by anyone, including illegals.

latinos have become primarily Democrats for the same reason that blacks, gays and Jews are:  Republicans come across as bigoted, especially at the local level.

[Cap]

there is no evidence of widespread voter fraud by anyone, including illegals.

latinos have become primarily Democrats for the same reason that blacks, gays and Jews are:  Republicans come across as bigoted, especially at the local level.

I didn't say it was fraud.  They can vote with DL and they vote Dem.  They're just rolling with the system we set up. 

Hispanics vote Democrats, like blacks, for a number of reasons...one being handouts.  I also think Hispanics voted Dem because they know that despite what Repubs have said, they have a better chance at citizenship (with regard to the illegals) with liberals.  Hispanics also tend to be working class and the working class tend to vote Dem and stay in their rut there.

[timfogarty]

Hispanics vote Democrats, like blacks, for a number of reasons...one being handouts. 

Stock brokers vote Republican, like CEOs, for a number of reasons...one be handouts.