My Prediction...MemberX will....

[The True Adonis]

Your body doesnt know the difference between saturated/tans fats and poly-unsaturated fats?

In a caloric deficit this is irrelevant.

[Relentless]

I never claimed to be an authority on diet and nutrition 

You didn't have to, you just said -

"there is no "eating clean"
your body doesn't know the difference between the fat that comes from salmon or the fat coming from a burger
the carb coming from white rice or sugar
get me?"

This sounds like a person who really understands what it takes to get in great shape.  Can I hire you for my contest prep in a couple of months?  Maybe you can get me into the shape you attained for Mr. Getbig!

[ASJChaotic]

I just never understood the all or nothing mentality.  For instance, When I make a Payard Pecan Pie which is about 8500 calories, I don`t eat the whole thing in one sitting.

I know, I wish I could do that, but I can't
it's like a craze want for food that you can't stop
have you never experienced it? 



..either that or I have an eating disorder hahahaha

[Disgusted]

I just never understood the all or nothing mentality.  For instance, When I make a Payard Pecan Pie which is about 8500 calories, I don`t eat the whole thing in one sitting.

Well Adam this is the first time that I have ever  heard you say  that you did not understand something. Now, take that as a positive and try to learn from it.

[The True Adonis]

First of all Adam when dealing with obese people as I can see you never have you can not have them eating donuts, EVER!!!! You can never expect them to have that kind of will power.

Secondly, stop trying to impress people with all your BS about eating fine food.   You act as if you are the only one who has ever been to a good restaurant.

You are a Nutrition type of guy, I think you would enjoy this book greatly.

[TacoBell]

In a caloric deficit this is irrelevant.

Just because you are in a negative caloric intake and thus able to still loose weight doesnt make that true at all.
You are wrong.

[ASJChaotic]

You didn't have to, you just said -

"there is no "eating clean"
your body doesn't know the difference between the fat that comes from salmon or the fat coming from a burger
the carb coming from white rice or sugar
get me?"

This sounds like a person who really understands what it takes to get in great shape.  Can I hire you for my contest prep in a couple of months?  Maybe you can get me into the shape you attained for Mr. Getbig!

IT'S COMMON SCIENCE
as far as gaining and losing fat (for the most part.....before it gets complex)
A CALORIE IS A CALORIE
Adonis, tell them 

[The True Adonis]

You are a Nutrition type of guy, I think you would enjoy this book greatly.

A little info on Mr. Brian Wainsink:



Brian Wansink, Ph.D.
Born June 28, 1960
Sioux City, Iowa
Fields Consumer behavior, nutritional science, marketing
Institutions USDA's Center for Nutrition Policy and Promotion, Food and Brand Lab, Cornell University
Known for Food behavior and psychology
Notable awards ABC World News Person of the Week(January 4) 2008; Fitness magazine's "Fit 50" 2008; Ig Nobel Prize, 2007
Brian Wansink (born 1960, Sioux City, Iowa) is an American professor in the fields of consumer behavior and nutritional science and is currently serving as the Executive Director of the USDA's Center for Nutrition Policy and Promotion (CNPP), which is charged with the 2010 Dietary Guidelines and with promoting the Food Guide Pyramid (MyPyramid).

Wansink[1] is best known for his work on consumer behavior and food and for popularizing terms such as "mindless eating" and "health halos." His research has focused on how our immediate environment (supermarkets, packaging, homes, pantries, and tablescapes) influences eating habits and preferences. Wansink holds the John S. Dyson Endowed Chair in the Applied Economics and Management Department at Cornell University. He is the author of over 100 academic articles and books, including the best-selling book Mindless Eating: Why We Eat More Than We Think and Marketing Nutrition (2005) . He is a 2007 recipient of the humorous Ig Nobel Prize and was named ABC World News Person of the Week[2] on January 4, 2008.

Having been referred to as the "Sherlock Holmes of Food"[1] and the "Wizard of Why"[2] Wansink and his Food and Brand Lab have been credited with improving the deeper scientific understanding of food eating and food shopping. A fundamental finding is that our environment -- such as the way a food is labeled, presented, stored, or served -- biases our eating habits and taste preferences. A large part of eating less and eating better, he argues, involves making small changes to our homes and to the daily "mindless" patterns of our lives. In underscoring this, the first and last sentence of his book, Mindless Eating states, "The best diet is the one you don't know you're on."

The studies from the lab have been credited with the development of the 100 calorie packs and the Small Plate Movement[3] as well as discovering and quantifying a wide range of basic, every day insights:

Moving from a 12-inch to a 10-inch dinner plate leads people to serve and eat 22% less.[3]
A person will eat an average of 92% of any food they serve themselves.[4]
The average person makes an excess of 250 decisions about food each day.[5]
Low-fat labels lead people to eat 16-23% more total calories. [6]
The Nutritional Gatekeeper of a home influences an estimated 72% of all of the food their family eats.[7]
Because of visual illusions, people (even Philly bartenders) pour 28% more into a short wide glasses than tall ones.[8]
50% of the snack food bought in bulk (such as at a warehouse club store) is eaten within six days of purchase. [9]

[Relentless]

I know, I wish I could do that, but I can't
it's like a craze want for food that you can't stop
have you never experienced it? 



..either that or I have an eating disorder hahahaha

It's called being a normal human being.  Most people clear their pantry of junk and steer clear of restaurants when dieting because the tendency to binge is ever present.  I find it easier to eat clean and worry less about calorie counting than eating more densely packed calories and closely monitoring them.  Eating "clean" foods works for most people looking to lose weight.  What TA is suggesting may work on some levels, but most people don't want to stare down temptation all of the time...which is very understandable.

[The True Adonis]

A little info on Mr. Brian Wainsink:



Brian Wansink, Ph.D.
Born June 28, 1960
Sioux City, Iowa
Fields Consumer behavior, nutritional science, marketing
Institutions USDA's Center for Nutrition Policy and Promotion, Food and Brand Lab, Cornell University
Known for Food behavior and psychology
Notable awards ABC World News Person of the Week(January 4) 2008; Fitness magazine's "Fit 50" 2008; Ig Nobel Prize, 2007
Brian Wansink (born 1960, Sioux City, Iowa) is an American professor in the fields of consumer behavior and nutritional science and is currently serving as the Executive Director of the USDA's Center for Nutrition Policy and Promotion (CNPP), which is charged with the 2010 Dietary Guidelines and with promoting the Food Guide Pyramid (MyPyramid).

Wansink[1] is best known for his work on consumer behavior and food and for popularizing terms such as "mindless eating" and "health halos." His research has focused on how our immediate environment (supermarkets, packaging, homes, pantries, and tablescapes) influences eating habits and preferences. Wansink holds the John S. Dyson Endowed Chair in the Applied Economics and Management Department at Cornell University. He is the author of over 100 academic articles and books, including the best-selling book Mindless Eating: Why We Eat More Than We Think and Marketing Nutrition (2005) . He is a 2007 recipient of the humorous Ig Nobel Prize and was named ABC World News Person of the Week[2] on January 4, 2008.

Having been referred to as the "Sherlock Holmes of Food"[1] and the "Wizard of Why"[2] Wansink and his Food and Brand Lab have been credited with improving the deeper scientific understanding of food eating and food shopping. A fundamental finding is that our environment -- such as the way a food is labeled, presented, stored, or served -- biases our eating habits and taste preferences. A large part of eating less and eating better, he argues, involves making small changes to our homes and to the daily "mindless" patterns of our lives. In underscoring this, the first and last sentence of his book, Mindless Eating states, "The best diet is the one you don't know you're on."

The studies from the lab have been credited with the development of the 100 calorie packs and the Small Plate Movement[3] as well as discovering and quantifying a wide range of basic, every day insights:

Moving from a 12-inch to a 10-inch dinner plate leads people to serve and eat 22% less.[3]
A person will eat an average of 92% of any food they serve themselves.[4]
The average person makes an excess of 250 decisions about food each day.[5]
Low-fat labels lead people to eat 16-23% more total calories. [6]
The Nutritional Gatekeeper of a home influences an estimated 72% of all of the food their family eats.[7]
Because of visual illusions, people (even Philly bartenders) pour 28% more into a short wide glasses than tall ones.[8]
50% of the snack food bought in bulk (such as at a warehouse club store) is eaten within six days of purchase. [9]

Pretty Impressive!

Biography
Wansink[4] was born in Sioux City, Iowa of Dutch heritage, to John, a bakery production worker, and to Naomi, a legal secretary. He received his Ph.D. in Consumer behaviour in 1990 from Stanford University, following a B.S. from Wayne State College in 1982 and an M.A. from Drake University in 1984.

He was a Marketing Professor at the Tuck School of Business at Dartmouth College (1990-1994) and the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania (1995-1997), and he was a Marketing, Nutritional Science, Advertising, and Agricultural Economics Professor at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (1997-2005) before moving to Cornell University (2005 to date). Wansink has also been a Visiting Professor at the Vrije Universiteit (Amsterdam) and Insead (Fountainbleau, France), and he was a Visiting Research Scientist at the U.S. Army Soldier Systems Center (Natick, MA) where he helped design ways to improve the acceptability and consumption of MREs (Meal, Ready-to-Eat) for the United States Army.

 
Wansink's USDA Center for Nutrition Policy and Promotion photoWansink founded the Food and Brand Lab[5] in 1997 at the University of Illinois and the Consumer Education Foundation in 1999. In 2005 he moved both to Cornell University in Ithaca, New York. Since 2006, Wansink has written a monthly column on food behavior for MSNBC entitled Chew on This.[6] In July 2007, Wansink joined Prevention.com as one of their two nutrition columnists, writing the column Food Think with Wansink.[7]

On November 19, 2007, Wansink was granted a leave of absence from Cornell to accept a White House appointment as the fourth Executive Director of the USDA's Center for Nutrition Policy and Promotion (CNPP). At CNPP, he oversees the development of the 2010 Dietary Guidelines, the Healthy Eating Index, the Cost of Raising a Child Index, and he is charged with promoting the Dietary Guidelines for Americans, in the form of MyPyramid. He serves with the Under Secretary for Food, Nutrition, and Consumer Services, Nancy Montanez Johner.

[ASJChaotic]

A little info on Mr. Brian Wainsink:



Brian Wansink, Ph.D.
Born June 28, 1960
Sioux City, Iowa
Fields Consumer behavior, nutritional science, marketing
Institutions USDA's Center for Nutrition Policy and Promotion, Food and Brand Lab, Cornell University
Known for Food behavior and psychology
Notable awards ABC World News Person of the Week(January 4) 2008; Fitness magazine's "Fit 50" 2008; Ig Nobel Prize, 2007
Brian Wansink (born 1960, Sioux City, Iowa) is an American professor in the fields of consumer behavior and nutritional science and is currently serving as the Executive Director of the USDA's Center for Nutrition Policy and Promotion (CNPP), which is charged with the 2010 Dietary Guidelines and with promoting the Food Guide Pyramid (MyPyramid).

Wansink[1] is best known for his work on consumer behavior and food and for popularizing terms such as "mindless eating" and "health halos." His research has focused on how our immediate environment (supermarkets, packaging, homes, pantries, and tablescapes) influences eating habits and preferences. Wansink holds the John S. Dyson Endowed Chair in the Applied Economics and Management Department at Cornell University. He is the author of over 100 academic articles and books, including the best-selling book Mindless Eating: Why We Eat More Than We Think and Marketing Nutrition (2005) . He is a 2007 recipient of the humorous Ig Nobel Prize and was named ABC World News Person of the Week[2] on January 4, 2008.

Having been referred to as the "Sherlock Holmes of Food"[1] and the "Wizard of Why"[2] Wansink and his Food and Brand Lab have been credited with improving the deeper scientific understanding of food eating and food shopping. A fundamental finding is that our environment -- such as the way a food is labeled, presented, stored, or served -- biases our eating habits and taste preferences. A large part of eating less and eating better, he argues, involves making small changes to our homes and to the daily "mindless" patterns of our lives. In underscoring this, the first and last sentence of his book, Mindless Eating states, "The best diet is the one you don't know you're on."

The studies from the lab have been credited with the development of the 100 calorie packs and the Small Plate Movement[3] as well as discovering and quantifying a wide range of basic, every day insights:

Moving from a 12-inch to a 10-inch dinner plate leads people to serve and eat 22% less.[3]
A person will eat an average of 92% of any food they serve themselves.[4]
The average person makes an excess of 250 decisions about food each day.[5]
Low-fat labels lead people to eat 16-23% more total calories. [6]
The Nutritional Gatekeeper of a home influences an estimated 72% of all of the food their family eats.[7]
Because of visual illusions, people (even Philly bartenders) pour 28% more into a short wide glasses than tall ones.[8]
50% of the snack food bought in bulk (such as at a warehouse club store) is eaten within six days of purchase. [9]

LOL I saw this on CNN

[TacoBell]

Which is better for the body?
Eating a clean healthy diet and taking steroids.....or......eat ing crap and staying natural?

[The True Adonis]

Which is better for the body?
Eating a clean healthy diet and taking steroids.....or......eat ing crap and staying natural?

No such thing as a "bad food".

[ASJChaotic]

It's called being a normal human being.  Most people clear their pantry of junk and steer clear of restaurants when dieting because the tendency to binge is ever present.  I find it easier to eat clean and worry less about calorie counting than eating more densely packed calories and closely monitoring them.  Eating "clean" foods works for most people looking to lose weight.  What TA is suggesting may work on some levels, but most people don't want to stare down temptation all of the time...which is very understandable.

this is exactly what I said, I simply don't have the willpower to eat great tasting foods all the time..just less...I WILL EAT MORE OF THEM, I know this
I have tried on many occasions, my own diet, I know I can stick to and follow

[TacoBell]

No such thing as a "bad food".

You avoided the question, and I never said 'bad' food.

[ASJChaotic]

Which is better for the body?
Eating a clean healthy diet and taking steroids.....or.....eati ng crap and staying natural?

[Disgusted]

Moving from a 12-inch to a 10-inch dinner plate leads people to serve and eat 22% less.[3]
A person will eat an average of 92% of any food they serve themselves.[4]
The average person makes an excess of 250 decisions about food each day.[5]
Low-fat labels lead people to eat 16-23% more total calories. [6]
The Nutritional Gatekeeper of a home influences an estimated 72% of all of the food their family eats.[7]
Because of visual illusions, people (even Philly bartenders) pour 28% more into a short wide glasses than tall ones.[8]
50% of the snack food bought in bulk (such as at a warehouse club store) is eaten within six days of purchase. [9]



I don't agree with the first one as I have watched people at salad bars. They will go up as man times as it takes to get full no matter how small or large the plate. Hell, I do that myself.  As far as low fat I think that this causes even more obesity.

[The True Adonis]

It's called being a normal human being.  Most people clear their pantry of junk and steer clear of restaurants when dieting because the tendency to binge is ever present.  I find it easier to eat clean and worry less about calorie counting than eating more densely packed calories and closely monitoring them.  Eating "clean" foods works for most people looking to lose weight.  What TA is suggesting may work on some levels, but most people don't want to stare down temptation all of the time...which is very understandable.

Actually it is just ignorance mostly.  Read Brian Wainsink`s book.  You will learn a lot.

Eating at restaurants is actually very effective in dieting as portions are controlled.  You can`t eat what you don`t order.

[Relentless]

this is exactly what I said, I simply don't have the willpower to eat great tasting foods all the time..just less...I WILL EAT MORE OF THEM, I know this
I have tried on many occasions, my own diet, I know I can stick to and follow

This is my experience as well.  Every time I sit down in front of a bowl of hot tortilla chips and salsa (I live in ATX), the wheels come off the wagon.  It's just too easy to screw up in these types of situations; most of the time I go into a Mexican restaurant in the first place is because I am hungry and in a state of bad diet decision making.  

[Disgusted]

No such thing as a "bad food".

I agree as food should be something nutritious to the body. Now, all the other needless crap that goes into it is bad for you , but it really is not "food" anyway.

[ASJChaotic]

Actually it is just ignorance mostly.  Read Brian Wainsink`s book.  You will learn a lot.

Eating at restaurants is actually very effective in dieting as portions are controlled.  You can`t eat what you don`t order.

if my body wants food, I go up and order another meal LOL
there have been plenty of times where in Mcdonalds I have ordered more than 2 meals (burger, fries and drink)

[Disgusted]

Which is better for the body?
Eating a clean healthy diet and taking steroids.....or......eat ing crap and staying natural?

The first and it has been proven with blood tests. It was done back in 1981 if I  remember correctly with bbers and published in Muscle Digest.

[TacoBell]

The first and it has been proven with blood tests. It was done back in 1981 if I  remember correctly with bbers and published in Muscle Digest.

Oh I know...

[ASJChaotic]

This is my experience as well.  Every time I sit down in front of a bowl of hot tortilla chips and salsa (I live in ATX), the wheels come off the wagon.  It's just too easy to screw up in these types of situations; most of the time I go into a Mexican restaurant in the first place is because I am hungry and in a state of bad diet decision making.  

same with me and chocolate ex: the treat size mini chocolates for halloween
I tell myself I'm gonna eat only 2 pieces
and I have ended up eating 3 pounds of chocolate in one setting

[The True Adonis]

t turns out the circumstances of consumption greatly impact how much we consume. Consider these example from Wansink and Mindless Eating:  

Container size influences how much we eat: Moviegoers given five-day-old stale popcorn still ate 53% more if it was served in a big bucket than a small bucket.

Size of a serving bowl, a plate, or a package has repeatedly been shown to bias how much a person serves himself and eats by an average of 20-30%.

Glass Shapes:  Because of visual illusions, people (even bartenders) pour 28% more liquid into a short wide glasses than tall ones.

We eat more if we like what we're drinking: In one study, diners drank the same wine  but 1/2 were told it was from California, and the other 1/2 were told it was North Dakota wine (No, ND does not make wine). Those who thought they were drinking California wine ate 11% more food.

Bulk Purchases: 50% of the snack foods bought in bulk (such as at a warehouse club store) are eaten within 6 days of when it is purchased (Wansink and his Food and Brand Lab have been credited with the discovery of the 100 calorie packs)

Names of a food can create either positive or negative predispositions that can unfairly bias a person's perceived taste of a food.

Self Service: A person will eat an average of 92% of any food they serve themselves.

We don't pay attention to the extras: 31% of people leaving an Italian restaurant couldn't remember how much bread they ate; 12% of the bread eaters denied having eaten any bread at all.

We eat more if the evidence is removed: In a study of chicken-wing eaters, waitresses removed the bones from half the tables while letting them stack up on the other half. The diners who still had piles of bones on their plates ate 28% less.

Too much variety makes us overeat: Snackers were given bowls of M&Ms with either 7 or 10 colors of the candy. Snackers with 10 color options ate an average of 43 more candies than those with just 7 colors to choose from.

Proximity of candy on one’s desk has been shown to double how much a person eats over the course of a day

Friends make you eat more: You'll eat 35% more dining with a friend than when eating alone. Even worse, a person will double the amount of food ingested when dining in a group of 7 or more.

Eating fast makes you consume more calories: Consider this University of Rhode Island study on diet: researchers showed the speed at which we eat influences caloric intake. Faster eaters consumed on average 67 more calories then when they ate slowly. That's about seven pounds of per year. (People also reported feeling more full after eating slowly).
What does this have to do with markets and investing?
It turns out, a whole lot. Many of our behaviors and belief systems are based upon elements we are wholly unaware of. We believe in myths, make false assumptions, overtrade, and engage in many investing behaviors that are destructive -- most of the time completely oblivious to them.

Investors are well served if they become aware of these tendencies -- and take steps to avoid fooling their own brains.