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[ASJChaotic]

I have also found that the lower in bodyfat% you get the harder it is to hold on to muscle mass
especially true in single digit bodyfat levels
thus you have to vary your carbohydrate intake from day to day so you don't lose your muscles

Adam, Jim, what are your thoughts on this?

[Relentless]

I made no leap, you made a claim. You need to stop believing everything you read.

Do you think TA has ever seen Good Will Hunting?  I'm reminded of the scene with Robin Williams and Matt Damon sitting on the park bench talking about the value of life experiences.  

[Disgusted]

I have also found that the lower in bodyfat% you get the harder it is to hold on to muscle mass
especially true in single digit bodyfat levels
thus you have to vary your carbohydrate intake from day to day so you don't lose your muscles

Adam, Jim, what are your thoughts on this?

Since I diet my guys on near zero carbs I can not vary what is not here. Adam?

[Disgusted]

Do you think TA has ever seen Good Will Hunting?  I'm reminded of the scene with Robin Williams and Matt Damon sitting on the park bench talking about the value of life experiences.  

   Excellent movie.

[no one]

exactly
how many diets are out there?
THOUSANDS, what is the percentage of failure in dieting? 98% I think

yeah, look at you.

[The True Adonis]

I made no leap, you made a claim. You need to stop believing everything you read.

Back in 2003, Halkjær et al. reported in "Intelligence Test Score and Educational Level in Relation to BMI Changes and Obesity" that education and intelligence, analyzed separately, were inversely related to BMI changes in both groups and to the development of obesity in the nonobese group. Earlier this year, Karnehed et al. reported that young men who were obese (BMI ≥ 30) at age 18 years (N = 10,782) had a much lower chance of attaining a high education than normal-weight subjects [(18.5 ≤ BMI < 25); adjusted hazard ratio 0.48 (95% confidence interval, 0.45, 0.52)]. Young men who were obese at age 18 had lower mean ninth grade school marks than young men with normal weight at any given intelligence level.

[ASJChaotic]

Since I diet my guys on near zero carbs I can not vary what is not here. Adam?

I have read all about it, and may I say, very smart approach 
when the brain is on a normal carb low cal diet, when it runs of carbs, it breaks down muscle tissue and uses it up
when the brain is in ketosis, it doesn't look for carbohydrates, it's fuel is endless, and it doesn't break muscle down for energy
I'd like to learn more about this, I'm always looking to learn 

[Disgusted]

Back in 2003, Halkjær et al. reported in "Intelligence Test Score and Educational Level in Relation to BMI Changes and Obesity" that education and intelligence, analyzed separately, were inversely related to BMI changes in both groups and to the development of obesity in the nonobese group. Earlier this year, Karnehed et al. reported that young men who were obese (BMI ≥ 30) at age 18 years (N = 10,782) had a much lower chance of attaining a high education than normal-weight subjects [(18.5 ≤ BMI < 25); adjusted hazard ratio 0.48 (95% confidence interval, 0.45, 0.52)]. Young men who were obese at age 18 had lower mean ninth grade school marks than young men with normal weight at any given intelligence level.

Oh dear GOD!!!!! I'm not going to even read your copy and paste BS. Learn something on your own for once. Trial and error. Reading books is great but it doesn't make you a diet expert any more than going to college makes you a great surgeon YOU NEED TO OPERATE ON SOMEONE EVENTUALLY GET IT!

[The True Adonis]

Oh dear GOD!!!!! I'm not going to even read your copy and paste BS. Learn something on your own for once. Trial and error. Reading books is great but it doesn't make you a diet expert any more than going to college makes you a great surgeon YOU NEED TO OPERATE ON SOMEONE EVENTUALLY GET IT!

[Relentless]

Back in 2003, Halkjær et al. reported in "Intelligence Test Score and Educational Level in Relation to BMI Changes and Obesity" that education and intelligence, analyzed separately, were inversely related to BMI changes in both groups and to the development of obesity in the nonobese group. Earlier this year, Karnehed et al. reported that young men who were obese (BMI ≥ 30) at age 18 years (N = 10,782) had a much lower chance of attaining a high education than normal-weight subjects [(18.5 ≤ BMI < 25); adjusted hazard ratio 0.48 (95% confidence interval, 0.45, 0.52)]. Young men who were obese at age 18 had lower mean ninth grade school marks than young men with normal weight at any given intelligence level.

Why do you post studies or reports when confronted with a posting that puts you in a defensive position?  And what is the point of this study anyway in the context of this thread?  I don't see how it pertains to the conversation at hand.  

You're reaching, as usual.

[Relentless]

AND? SO?

[Mobil]

to be honest i eat fast food all the time, yet i am very active... i have lean bodyfat, due to me being active. i eat whatever i want.

[Relentless]

It appears to me that TA does not have enough of an appreciation of the HUMAN element and how it affects decision making and choices.  He bases much of his judgments off reports and studies he reads online.  I've noticed this affliction with quite a few intellectuals; they can't comprehend the fact that EMOTIONS and SENSES play a large factor in the human experience.  

Get over yourself TA.  Has anyone ever accused you of having good "people skills?"

[Disgusted]

Adam here's the deal. As a whole our nation is getting fatter and fatter so the smart and dumb concept holds no water.

[Canadian_Muscle]

to be honest i eat fast food all the time, yet i am very active... i have lean bodyfat, due to me being active. i eat whatever i want.

That's fine, but for a bodybuilder prepping for a contest eating junk food isn't optimal.

[Disgusted]

It appears to me that TA does not have enough of an appreciation of the HUMAN element and how it affects decision making and choices.  He bases much of his judgments off reports and studies he reads online.  I've noticed this affliction with quite a few intellectuals; they can't comprehend the fact that EMOTIONS and SENSES play a large factor in the human experience.  

Get over yourself TA.  Has anyone ever accused you of having good "people skills?"

Part arrogance part laziness.

[The True Adonis]

Oh dear GOD!!!!! I'm not going to even read your copy and paste BS. Learn something on your own for once. Trial and error. Reading books is great but it doesn't make you a diet expert any more than going to college makes you a great surgeon YOU NEED TO OPERATE ON SOMEONE EVENTUALLY GET IT!

That is ignorant.  The resources and money that the American Medical Association, CDC,World Health Organization, USDA, National Institute of Health have put in regarding diet and obesity kind of renders the act of some schmuck with a clipboard trying to measure obesity by canvassing and surveying his local neighborhood and then trying to canvass and analyze data for EVERY single neighborhood seems to be an exercise in extreme stupidity and quixotic not to mention innaccurate.  Don`t you think?

[Relentless]

Adam here's the deal. As a whole our nation is getting fatter and fatter so the smart and dumb concept holds no water.

I've seen quite a few Richie Riches walking around the street with big ol guts and turkey necks these days, haven't you?  

[Disgusted]

That is ignorant.  The resources and money that the American Medical Association, CDC,World Health Organization, USDA, National Institute of Health have put in regarding diet and obesity kind of renders the act of some schmuck with a clipboard trying to measure obesity by canvassing and surveying his local neighborhood and then trying to canvass and analyze data for EVERY single neighborhood seems to be an exercise in extreme stupidity and quixotic not to mention innaccurate.  Don`t you think?

NO I don't

[Relentless]

That is ignorant.  The resources and money that the American Medical Association, CDC,World Health Organization, USDA, National Institute of Health have put in regarding diet and obesity kind of renders the act of some schmuck with a clipboard trying to measure obesity by canvassing and surveying his local neighborhood and then trying to canvass and analyze data for EVERY single neighborhood seems to be an exercise in extreme stupidity and quixotic not to mention innaccurate.  Don`t you think?

What about "self-righteous prick?"  

[The True Adonis]

It appears to me that TA does not have enough of an appreciation of the HUMAN element and how it affects decision making and choices.  He bases much of his judgments off reports and studies he reads online.  I've noticed this affliction with quite a few intellectuals; they can't comprehend the fact that EMOTIONS and SENSES play a large factor in the human experience.  

Get over yourself TA.  Has anyone ever accused you of having good "people skills?"

Mr Wansink`s ENTIRE BOOK is on the human element and Psychology of it all.    He has compiled his entire lifes work to this very idea using real time data and hands on person to person studies.

Obviously you have not been paying attention.  

[ASJChaotic]

I've seen quite a few Richie Riches walking around the street with big ol guts and turkey necks these days, haven't you?  

what I don't get is how people let themselves become 200 pounds over weight? 
some people are actually 1 ton 
do they not at one point stop and look at themselves and rethink their habit?
we had a girl in highschool who was MORBIDLY OBESE
yet she drank 2 liters of non diet coke and ate a HUGE bag of chips everyday for lunch 

[Mobil]

That's fine, but for a bodybuilder prepping for a contest eating junk food isn't optimal.

heard plenty of stories of dorian and nassar eating tons of big macs prior to contests...

[Disgusted]

I think that we are getting off the subject at hand. OK, just to recap the Adonis Principles are not sound, in fact they are crap.

[Mobil]

art atwood said he saw dexter jackson eating doritos before  a comp.....and was still ripped... genes/drugs are the biggest factor..