This is a know photo of the two side-by-side on stage , just 7 pounds separate the two and look at the staggering difference in backs in terms of width , detail and thickness , look at the size of the traps now seeing one can't lengthen their muscles Ronnie's traps will NEVER be as big as Dorian's no matter how heavy he becomes , his teres & infraspinatus will never be as big as Dorian's , his lats will NEVER insert as low as Dorian's , the only way he can improve is width and thickness , two areas Dorian excelled at , how does a wider softer back constitute a better back at the expense of size * density? I think not and this isn't even Dorian at his best or heaviest , his back at 269 pounds destroys anything Ronnie has ever shown