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Jon Fitch released from UFC
« on: November 20, 2008, 01:08:30 AM »
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Jon Fitch, who last competed at UFC 87 in August against welterweight champion Georges St. Pierre, has been released from his contract with the Ultimate Fighting Championship, as confirmed to MMAWeekly.com by members of Fitch's camp.

According to sources close to the situation, Fitch was in negotiations with the UFC about a lifetime contract for likeness rights for their upcoming video game release and future video games. An agreement could not be reached and the Indiana native was subsequently released from his fight contract.

During his time with the UFC, Fitch went 8-1 while in the promotion with his only loss coming at the hands of St. Pierre, as previously mentioned.

There were rumors that he was set to return in January to fight Japanese fighter Akihiro Gono, but all that came crashing down with the news of his release on Wednesday.

Other fighters including Christian Wellisch have also been released as a part of this contract negotiation of likeness rights, but at this time Jon Fitch is the biggest name that has been confirmed as being cut by the promotion. Speaking anonymously with MMAWeekly.com on Wednesday, a source said more names could follow in the coming days.

Stay tuned to MMAWeekly.com for more news on this breaking situation as it happens.

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Re: Jon Fitch released from UFC
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2008, 01:09:34 AM »
 
Shockwaves were sent through the world of mixed martial arts on Wednesday night with the news that top welterweight fighter Jon Fitch had been dropped from the Ultimate Fighting Championship following a contract dispute.

Just hours after learning of his release, Jon Fitch spoke exclusively to MMAWeekly.com about the situation that led to the events that have now made him a free agent.

"This is like over the course of two days, three days," Fitch explained about the release. "It had to do with Dana (White) calling my managers and immediately saying, 'we need to get him to sign this contract' and 'it's a big favor to me.' Then we asked him, 'Why do you need this contract signed?'

"Then we finally asked, after reading through the contract, why can't we negotiate for different terms? Because it asked me for a lifetime contract for the video games, so they would have exclusive rights to use our likeness for these video games and we couldn't go and do any other video games ever again in our lifetime."

Before anything was decided, Fitch says his managers tried to re-negotiate a different deal from the lifetime contract, but an ultimatum was soon made.

"So basically we said we weren't cool with that deal and why can't we do it for five or 10 years? Why does it have to be a lifetime deal? Their next response was, 'either you guys are in or you're out' and 'sign this or you're going to get dropped from the UFC,'" said Fitch. "So we hear that and we didn't even think they were serious. Why would you want to release fighters at our level over something like that? Doesn't make any sense.

"Within two phone calls, it got to 'sign this or you guys are out.'"

The American Kickboxing Academy welterweight standout explained that the situation for the urgency of the contract from the UFC might have stemmed from another company, EA Sports, putting out an MMA video game of its own. Apparently the UFC had promised all of its fighters exclusively to THQ, the makers of the upcoming UFC Undisputed 2009 game scheduled for release in spring of 2009.

"We were already promised to THQ by the UFC, even though none of us were under contract (for that), in order to save face, they had to force us to sign this thing," he explained.

He also states that the new video game contract was partially due to the fact that competitors in the UFC were originally given a "merchandising" contract that was shot down after many fighters did not want to sign that either.

"It started with the merchandising agreement," Fitch stated. "The original merchandising agreement they sent out, it encompassed all avenues of all this stuff and everything that falls under merchandise, and they wanted to force us to sign that a while ago. (They wanted) all the guys in the UFC to sign these contracts blindly that gave them all of our rights, image, everything that they could find anyway to market or sell us."

The Indiana born fighter went on to talk about his confusion following a tenure with the UFC that included nine fights, eight of which were wins, and a hard fought five-round decision loss to Georges St. Pierre that has garnered talk for "Fight of the Year."

"This is seriously how they're trying to treat fighters? Especially me? " Fitch questioned. "I've never complained about them. I've always done my best for the UFC in a positive way. I've fought my ass off. I'm arguably the second best welterweight in the world. Yet they are still willing to release me, especially after my last fight?

"Just because I lost, it sure as hell wasn't because of lack of effort or poor performance."

The day started with Fitch confirming his next fight in January against Akihiro Gono, but just as quickly, he received a rescinded contract from the UFC for the bout agreement, and shortly thereafter, a voided promotional contract effectively releasing him from his fight contract.

"We got the bout agreement returned today and then later tonight they released me from my promotional contract. So at the moment, I'm no longer with the UFC. I'm unattached right now," Fitch commented.

While the deal to sign a lifetime contract didn't necessarily appeal to Fitch, he says it was the manner of which the deal was brought to the table that ultimately angered him the most.

"Honestly the contract wasn't even that big of a deal," he said. "We're not getting paid for it anyways, and it's not a deal where I'm actually going to get another deal with a video game agency. I don't have that kind of pull, most guys don't. It has nothing to do with that. It's that they brought this contract to us and basically kicked in our front door, came in guns blazing, and said 'sign this contract or you're dead.'"

Regardless of the contract situation, Fitch feels the mistreatment is simply unacceptable and he is willing to move on if that's what has to happen.

"I am the UFC's bastard son," Fitch said adamantly. "I mean, from the get go. I don't even know how better to explain it. They didn't have any regard or care for me whatsoever. There's nothing more I want than to be the UFC champ, but something like this and they're going to throw me away?

"I also have confidence in the fact that I'm one of the best fighters in the world. I'm going to find a home, and I'm going to find a way to make money no matter what the deal is. I will not be treated and talked to like a dog."

A fighter with the talent of Jon Fitch will likely be snatched up by another promotion very soon, but still he is just shocked at the way everything happened.

"It's not like I've been bad mouthing them or doing anything negative toward the UFC at all. All I've done is go out there and fight my ass off. I'm at a loss. I don't even know what to think right now. I'm still kind of in shock."

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Re: Jon Fitch released from UFC
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2008, 01:10:25 AM »
UFC Cuts Fitch; Koscheck, Others Could Follow
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Wednesday, November 19, 2008
by Greg Savage (greg@sherdog.com)


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Jon Fitch, who went five rounds with UFC welterweight champion Georges St. Pierre in August, received notice Wednesday that the UFC has released him.

Fitch told Hardcore Sports Radio’s “Sports Rage” on Wednesday that he was cut from the promotion after he’d refused to sign an agreement that would have relinquished his likeness rights for a UFC video game.

Fitch said he submitted a signed bout agreement Tuesday to fight Akihiro Gono at UFC 94 on Jan. 31, but the UFC terminated it, along with his promotional contract.

“I had two fights left on my contract, but they always put a clause in the contract that if you lose a fight, they’re able to release you at any time after a loss,” Fitch told “Sports Rage” host Garbriel Morency. “That’s pretty standard with any organization, but it’s pretty incredible that they’d go to those lengths for something like this, over a video game.”

Fitch, a Purdue University wrestling standout, said his refusal to sign the agreement for a UFC video game -- set for release by THQ in 2010 -- wasn’t based on compensation.

“The video game agreement that they have that they wanted us to sign was basically we don‘t get anything for it,” he told Morency. “We get free publicity and promotion from the game, which is great, no problem. The problem is it’s a lifetime exclusive contract. That means we would never ever be able to work with any video game companies other than the one the UFC provides.”

Fitch told Hardcore Sports Radio he was not adverse to the contract necessarily, but in the way it was presented to his management.

“They basically kicked the door open, guns blazing, pointed it in our face and said, ‘Sign this or you’re going to pay,’” Fitch said.

Fitch said that, to his knowledge, UFC President Dana White had given his representatives the ultimatum to sign or be scrapped even though the fighter’s reps tried to negotiate a five or 10-year deal for the video game rights.

In an interview with Yahoo Sports on Wednesday, White said the UFC would no longer do business with the American Kickboxing Academy, Fitch’s San Jose-based fight team.

“We’re looking for guys who want to work with us and not against us, and frankly I’m just so [expletive] sick of this [expletive] it’s not even funny,” White told Yahoo Sports. “Affliction is still out there trying to build its company. Let [Fitch] go work with them. Let him see what he thinks of those [expletives]. [Expletive] him. These guys aren’t partners with us. [Expletive] them. All of them, every last [expletive] one of them.”

Christian Wellisch, an AKA teammate of Fitch, was also released on Wednesday, said Fitch. Wellisch had also received an agreement for a pending bout that was later retracted.

“They cut him from the organization first, I think as kind of a scare for me and [Josh] Koscheck and Cain [Velasquez],” said Fitch. “I guess Cain Velasquez wouldn’t sign under his contract and they we’re saying that after his fight he was done and they weren’t going to re-up his contract. I think the same thing goes for Koscheck. I think they would drop him right now too, if he wasn’t fighting on the 10th, if he wasn’t headlining that show –- so they can’t drop him.”

Koscheck faces Yoshiyuki Yoshida at UFC “Fight for the Troops” on Dec. 10 at the Crown Coliseum in Fayetteville, N.C.

Fitch had won eight straight fights before dropping a gutsy decision to St. Pierre. His undefeated run tied Royce Gracie’s for the most consecutive wins in the UFC.

With his dismissal, Fitch said he will likely lose 75-80 percent of his sponsorship monies. Earlier this year, Fitch and other AKA fighters were asked by the UFC to sign a separate merchandising agreement in perpetuity. Many of the squad declined the offer.

“I never wanted anything more than to fight in the UFC and be a UFC champ,” said Fitch. “I put in a lot of blood and guts and sweat and tears into this and this is my reward I guess.”

Jeff Sherwood and Loretta Hunt contributed to this story. 
 

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Re: Jon Fitch released from UFC
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2008, 06:04:52 AM »
Fitch should sue ufc and dana.

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Re: Jon Fitch released from UFC
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2008, 06:28:53 AM »
Fitch should sue ufc and dana.


agreed.  Then again, on what grounds?  I read thru the thing really quick, and UFC was either    take it or leave it...  nothing wrong with that

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Re: Jon Fitch released from UFC
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2008, 06:33:12 AM »
Fitch should sue ufc and dana.


I don't think he has any right to sue UFC, plus does the guy have the cash to battle the UFC? I don't think that he would get much of anything. They gave him and option he didn't take it and that's how it goes...

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Re: Jon Fitch released from UFC
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2008, 06:47:44 AM »
I don't think he has any right to sue UFC, plus does the guy have the cash to battle the UFC? I don't think that he would get much of anything. They gave him and option he didn't take it and that's how it goes...

Agreed. I see both sides to it, and even hate to take sides. There are two sides to the story I'm sure. This may be more to get even with AKA than just Fitch.

Either way i think that Dana should not have lashed out about it to the media the way he did. I am all for cussing and stuff, but he should not even be discussing this to the  media right now. It is like he is showing the world, "don't fuck with me"...very mob like in a way.

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Re: Jon Fitch released from UFC
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2008, 07:02:32 AM »
Agreed. I see both sides to it, and even hate to take sides. There are two sides to the story I'm sure. This may be more to get even with AKA than just Fitch.

Either way i think that Dana should not have lashed out about it to the media the way he did. I am all for cussing and stuff, but he should not even be discussing this to the  media right now. It is like he is showing the world, "don't fuck with me"...very mob like in a way.


A lot of what Dana does makes me wonder how the fuck he is the public face for a company. The dude needs to take some PR classes. He just has that wreckless attitude of Fuck with me and this is what happens. The guy just has the mentality of NO ONE CAN FUCK WITH ME... The things he does are often childish. Like how he has a tombstone of the past companies that have flopped on his desk? Who fucking does that.

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Re: Jon Fitch released from UFC
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2008, 08:11:53 AM »
Losing Fitch is a bad mistake.  He is a class act and an outstanding young fighter.  I usually support Dana White b/c I think he gets a lot of undeserved criticism, but I don't agree with this move at all. 

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Re: Jon Fitch released from UFC
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2008, 08:16:01 AM »
agreed.  Fitch fought GSP for 5 tough rounds, showing tons of heart.  Just the type of fighter you want around.  Big mistake.

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Re: Jon Fitch released from UFC
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2008, 08:50:26 AM »
agreed.  Fitch fought GSP for 5 tough rounds, showing tons of heart.  Just the type of fighter you want around.  Big mistake.

Dana also stated that Chuck,Randy,Anderson have all signed this agreement. There were some fighters with AKA that had two fights with the UFC that refused. I definitely see this as hit against AKA more so than Fitch.

Besides, I really like Fitch, and he is one of the best, but really he is not a cash cow. The casual newbie MMA fan has no idea who he is other than the guy that took a beating like a man against St.Pierre. No big loss on Dana's part.

IMO...Fitch should have signed it. Don't bite that hand that feeds you in a situation like this. He really can only gain by being in the game. So what if he can never go to another gaming company. How many UFC or MMA games are seriously going to be made in his lifetime????

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Re: Jon Fitch released from UFC
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2008, 11:48:37 AM »
“We’re looking for guys who want to work with us and not against us, and frankly I’m just so [expletive] sick of this [expletive] it’s not even funny. Affliction is still out there trying to build its company. Let [Fitch] go work with them. Let him see what he thinks of those [expletives]. [Expletive] him. These guys aren’t partners with us. [Expletive] them. All of them, every last [expletive] one of them…. I’m not a douche bag and I do a lot for these guys, a lot more than any of you will ever know. We’re in a horrible time in the economy now, and every guy with two nickels to rub together is making a run at us. We’ve worked too hard, given too much, to let certain guys come in and [expletive] with that.” - dana
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Re: Jon Fitch released from UFC
« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2008, 12:15:01 PM »
I think Dana is a great businessman, but my god, he's gotta stop with the f bombs... so unprofessional.  Makes the organization look cheap.  Fratitas (sp) need to wake up.

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Re: Jon Fitch released from UFC
« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2008, 12:18:45 PM »
if that would've been on tv they would've BEEPED it 7 times!
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Re: Jon Fitch released from UFC
« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2008, 12:20:21 PM »
Losing Fitch is a bad mistake.  He is a class act and an outstanding young fighter.  I usually support Dana White b/c I think he gets a lot of undeserved criticism, but I don't agree with this move at all. 


i agree. i always liked watching him fight..dana is messed up man..like i said he has a monopoly and he uses his fighters up. it will eventually back fire on him. the figthers need a union of something..the ufc is rediculous >:(
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Re: Jon Fitch released from UFC
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2008, 12:26:07 PM »

i agree. i always liked watching him fight..dana is messed up man..like i said he has a monopoly and he uses his fighters up. it will eventually back fire on him. the figthers need a union of something..the ufc is rediculous >:(

They have a monopoly that is for sure, but at the same time, the UFC has made these guys rich superstars! It is not just the salary, but also the exposure to sponsorship. Business is not always fair...and really when you look at Dana's record, as much as I hate to admit, he is usually right in his actions.

Fitch even stated that he would lose up to 80% of his sponsorship by being cut.

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Re: Jon Fitch released from UFC
« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2008, 01:30:17 PM »
UFC drops Jon Fitch, other American Kickboxing Academy fighters
by Kevin Iole on Nov 20, 2008 at 2:30 am ET
A bitterly angry Dana White said Wednesday the Ultimate Fighting Championship has cut highly regarded welterweight contender Jon Fitch and is not going to do business with any fighters who are part of the American Kickboxing Academy team in San Jose, Calif.

The outspoken UFC president said shortly after landing in Hawaii on Wednesday that he no longer wants to work with AKA fighters or those represented by DeWayne Zinkin and Bob Cook.

White said he excepted AKA welterweight Mike Swick from that group because he said Swick called him and told him he wants to fight for the UFC. But Fitch and heavyweight Christian Wellisch were cut on Wednesday, and heavyweight prospect Cain Velasquez and welterweight Josh Koscheck could be next.

"We're looking for guys who want to work with us and not against us, and frankly I'm just so [expletive] sick of this [expletive] it's not even funny," White said from Honolulu, where he flew Wednesday from Toronto to hold a news conference to announce the B.J. Penn-Georges St. Pierre fight for UFC 94 on Jan. 31 in Las Vegas.

"Affliction is still out there trying to build its company. Let [Fitch] go work with them. Let him see what he thinks of those [expletives]. [Expletive] him. These guys aren't partners with us. [Expletive] them. All of them, every last [expletive] one of them."

Fitch said Wednesday the dispute was over his reluctance to sign a lifetime contract to allow his name and likeness to be used in a video game the UFC is planning with THQ. He said the dispute has nothing to do with money and that he never caused a problem during his time in the UFC.

He said he simply didn't understand the need to sign a lifetime contract, particularly since it would not pay his family in the event of his death.

"Working for free and selling our rights away for lifetime, that's a little different," said Fitch, who said he hasn't spoken with White but plans to call him. "We tried to negotiate five- or 10-year deals with them, but it wasn't good enough. It was all or nothing. He wanted our lifetime. He wanted our souls forever."

White said the AKA fighters "aren't partners with us" and said they don't understand what the UFC is trying to do for the sport. White said the UFC's current success was because of long hours he and partner Lorenzo Fertitta have put in trying to build the company and the sport of mixed martial arts.

White complained that he has to make frequent sacrifices in his personal life and is away from his family for long stretches because of his commitment to growing the UFC. He said the AKA fighters don't understand the things UFC management is trying to do and said they'll learn how tough things are in the poor economy.

"There are a lot of guys who help us and work with us and are great partners with us, and they're the ones we're going to remember and take care of," White said. "Do these guys understand what is going on in this world? I'll tell you, this economy is [expletive] up. It's totally [expletive] up. It's bad, real, real bad. The [television] networks are in trouble and don't have money. The sponsors are in trouble, and they have no money. If they don't have money, they go out of business.

"It's a whole other world out there, believe me, and let these guys go out there and see what they find."

White said he took great care of Fitch and said with bonuses and purse, Fitch made $169,000 for his welterweight title fight loss to St. Pierre at UFC 87 in Minneapolis in August. Fitch (17-3 with 1 no-contest) did not dispute that salary figure. He said the UFC "has taken care of me and you've never heard me complain about money. This is a respect thing."

Fitch said he thought there should room to negotiate on these contracts but said the UFC would not budge.

He said he understood it was highly unlikely that another company would want to put him in a video game but said it was only reasonable that he not tie his rights up for life.

White said he flew to San Jose in the summer to talk with the AKA fighters, but Fitch said the discussion was about a merchandising agreement.

"He wanted us to sign that merchandising agreement, and it was not a very good agreement," Fitch said. "There was not really a reason for us to sign it. The first thing they brought to us was for us to sign all of our rights away for everything forever. It was for very small compensation, and there was no compensation for family members if we were to die.

"We could die and they could make memorial figurines and stuff and make thousands, millions of dollars, and our families wouldn't see a penny of it. The way they bring the contracts and stuff to us, I don't know, it's just not how business is done."

Zinkin also represents UFC light heavyweight Chuck Liddell, though Liddell does not fight for AKA. White said he has been "beefing with Zinkin for years" and said he had to call Liddell, one of his closest friends, and tell him to get Zinkin to back off.

According to White, Liddell said Zinkin represented him on sponsorships and he would negotiate his own deals with the UFC.

Fitch said he has been a loyal UFC employee and said, "I'd only like a little bit of respect for the blood I shed for this company."

White said he has sacrificed more than anyone to build the UFC into the powerhouse it has become and that he's tired of athletes who don't want to "get with the program."

Velasquez, one of the sport's rising stars, clearly is on the outs with White. White said Zinkin wanted standard language that is part of every UFC fighter's contract removed from Velasquez's deal.

"Can you believe that?" White said. "Chuck Liddell has that language in his contract. Randy Couture has it. Anderson Silva has it. And Cain [expletive] Velasquez, with two [expletive] fights, wants us to change it for him? That's [expletive] nuts. He can get the [expletive] out.

"I'm not a douche bag and I do a lot for these guys, a lot more than any of you will ever know. We're in a horrible time in the economy now, and every guy with two nickels to rub together is making a run at us. We've worked too hard, given too much, to let certain guys come in and [expletive] with that."

Fitch said he's not trying to mess with anything and that he simply wants to fight. He said he always has been respectful in all his dealings with the UFC and said he can't understand the position he finds himself in without ever having spoken to White.

He plans to call White to discuss the situation but wasn't sure what move to make.

"I'm more than willing to work with them, but I don't see why we have to give up our whole lives for this," Fitch said. "Why not a time limit? If we did a 10-year deal with them, is that that unreasonable? I don't understand how this happened, honestly. It's tough."
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Re: Jon Fitch released from UFC
« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2008, 01:39:52 PM »
Fitch is not being too demanding.  White has certainly built the sport, but he needs a major competitor in North America to keep him from pulling this crap.

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Re: Jon Fitch released from UFC
« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2008, 01:51:12 PM »
The fighters need to remember that if they want the best sponsors and exposure, they HAVE to be in the UFC.
The UFC is a monopoly for a reason. They earned it and have given these fighters great opportunities.
Bottom line...you show respect to the UFC, they will respect you back, just like any employer.


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Re: Jon Fitch released from UFC
« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2008, 02:20:03 PM »
White is fucked in the head, I hope some former, bitter UFC fighter runs into him somewhere and beats the living shit out of him, he deserves it. He's always talking shit behind everybody's back, including his own fighters. WTF

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Re: Jon Fitch released from UFC
« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2008, 02:29:22 PM »
White is fucked in the head, I hope some former, bitter UFC fighter runs into him somewhere and beats the living shit out of him, he deserves it. He's always talking shit behind everybody's back, including his own fighters. WTF


No different than the real business world. I am sure my boss and your boss talk shit about us too. Bottom line though, they pay me a decent salary for what I do....I could care less. It is just business.

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Re: Jon Fitch released from UFC
« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2008, 02:41:42 PM »
White is fucked in the head, I hope some former, bitter UFC fighter runs into him somewhere and beats the living shit out of him, he deserves it. He's always talking shit behind everybody's back, including his own fighters. WTF


I have to agree with you.  As much as I like having one dominant federation so that we have undisputed champs, and as much as I like what the UFC has done to grow the sport, White seems like a total douche bag and there is a high probability that sooner or later he will have his ass beaten down....
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Re: Jon Fitch released from UFC
« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2008, 02:55:07 PM »
I have to agree with you.  As much as I like having one dominant federation so that we have undisputed champs, and as much as I like what the UFC has done to grow the sport, White seems like a total douche bag and there is a high probability that sooner or later he will have his ass beaten down....

He may seem like a douche, but remember, he built MMA up to what it is today. Douche or not, got to trust that he knows what he is doing.

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Re: Jon Fitch released from UFC
« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2008, 07:02:20 PM »
He may seem like a douche, but remember, he built MMA up to what it is today. Douche or not, got to trust that he knows what he is doing.

NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!  he has taken an idea that was already there and marketed it so that the average american would find it interesting and acceptable..he is is still an idiot because now that he is at the top he wants his fighters to sell there lives away..that makes him a smart buisness man BUT a bad person in my opinion.if he keeps going like this he could potential ruin mma as we know it..
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Re: Jon Fitch released from UFC
« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2008, 08:50:26 PM »
All it will take for White to be put in his place is a mass defection of some of his best talent. If  a couple of guys like Anderson Silva and Forest Griffin got together and moved on to M1, Dana would definetly be humbled and at the end of the day it would be better for the sport. At the very least it would give some star power to another federation and force White to treat his athletes better.