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Muscular adehesions/knots...what do you do about them?
« on: November 26, 2008, 07:49:01 AM »
I have some in my lower back and forearms that irritate me to no end.  Massaging them out works but only temporarily.

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Re: Muscular adehesions/knots...what do you do about them?
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2008, 08:47:25 AM »
Might consider minor nerve damage if I understand you question correctly. Damaged and/or inflamed nerve passages come to mind. Wonder if  this is only during or after a workout or pretty much most of the time. Massage, stretching, packs or hot/cold lotions, etc. And of course rest for the area. Lots of contact athletes have this problem. Hot whirlpool tubs usually helps. Good Luck.
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Re: Muscular adehesions/knots...what do you do about them?
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2008, 09:05:09 AM »
Nerve damage is almost a garuntee.  Almost everyone, athletes included have adhesions somwhere...just have to look.  I think the hot/cold pack is a good idea.  Massage gets me out of pain pretty much immediately, but as I said, only temporarily.  It has to be coupled with training-which takes time of course.

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Re: Muscular adehesions/knots...what do you do about them?
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2008, 09:06:37 AM »
Nerve damage is one possibility, another is back spasms that either eventually go away or get worse over time and become chronic-muscle knots. Larry Bird and others had/have this. Remains permanently there and gets worse or better depending on aggrevation by activity in the area including exercise. Without activity, they eventually fade but don't disappear, and stay away only while avoiding exercise and other activities.

Whirlpool and massage help to some extent, but address the symptoms temporarily, not the underlying causes. Any strain to the back brings it back, including exercise. Stretching's supposed to help but my own experience has been that it hasn't yet.

Best thing is to get several opinions from dispirate sources, and have a willingness to try different solutions including accupuncture.

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Re: Muscular adehesions/knots...what do you do about them?
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2008, 09:47:07 AM »
Just to say, back spasms are root caused by nerve damage and/or blockage.

Some athletes have had  help through acupressure  or acupuncture. Also Rolfing massage. I have experienced all of these first hand from moderate to great results. Acupuncture leads the way. Can also suggest Rolfing for a very deep muscle massage. Of course these methods are not meant for everyone.  Some get little benefit, some great benefit. Just like 'roids use. Good Luck.
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Re: Muscular adehesions/knots...what do you do about them?
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2008, 11:25:52 AM »
What's Rolfing all about?  Thanks for all the responses!

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Re: Muscular adehesions/knots...what do you do about them?
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2008, 08:14:51 PM »
I need some treatment for this too, soon!!  Acupuncture or some kind of deep tissue massage sounds good.

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Re: Muscular adehesions/knots...what do you do about them?
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2008, 08:46:50 PM »
Rolfing is massage of the connective tissues aka deep tissues, much like the manipulation of muscles with massage and of various areas of the skeletal system with chiro. The idea is to regain proper alignment, again reminescent of chiro. Seems worth a try.




Rolfing or Structural Integration is a system of soft tissue manipulation, with the objective of realigning the body structurally and harmonizing its fundamental movement patterns in relation to gravity[citation needed]. The term Rolfing is a registered trademark of the Rolf Institute of Boulder Colorado. The system was founded by Ida Pauline Rolf[1]. Practitioners of Rolfing believe it to enhance vitality and well-being, and claim that after sessions, many clients stand up straighter, gain in height, and that soft-tissue bodily asymmetries tend to disappear.[neutrality disputed][citation needed][who?] Rolfing is in some ways similar to deep tissue massage (see especially Myofascial Release), however, practitioners claim that Rolfing's attention to the balance of the body in gravity sets the practice apart.[neutrality disputed][citation needed][who?] A 2004 review of Rolfing found few rigorous studies have been carried out on this technique and concluded that "there is no evidence-based literature to support Rolfing in any specific disease group".[2]


History
Rolf developed a method in the early to mid 1950s with the goal of organizing the human structure in relation to gravity. This method was originally called Postural Release, and later, Structural Integration of the Human Body. Early consumers of Structural Integration coined the term "Rolfing".[citation needed]

In 1971, Rolf founded The Rolf Institute of Structural Integration.[1]

The Rolf Institute and a number of other schools, including the Guild for Structural Integration, Kinesis Myofascial Integration and Hellerwork Structural Integration, currently teach methods similar to the method presented by Rolf. In addition, many modern modalities of "deep tissue bodywork" can trace their lineage back to Rolfing and the legacy of Ida Rolf's ideas about the fascia[citation needed].


Theory and practice
Rolf theorized that 'bound up' fascia (or connective tissue) often restricts opposing muscles from functioning independently from each other, much in the way water, having crystallized, forms hard, unyielding ice. Her practice aimed to separate bound up fascia by deeply separating the fibers manually so as to loosen them up and allow effective movement patterns. Rolf believed that an adequate knowledge of living human anatomy and hands-on training were required in order to safely negotiate the appropriate manipulations and depths necessary to free the bound-up fascia[citation needed].

Rolfers often[citation needed] prescribe a sequence of ten sessions to gradually "unlock" the whole body,[citation needed][neutrality disputed] usually beginning with the muscles that regulate and facilitate breathing.[clarify][citation needed] During a Rolfing session, a client generally lies down and is guided through specific movements. During these, the Rolfer manipulates the fascia until they have returned to their 'original length'.[citation needed] This takes place over the course of ten 75 to 90 minute sessions, with a specific goal for each session, and an overall goal of cumulative results.[citation needed] Some clients find the experience of Rolfing painful, but Rolfing has continued to evolve over the decades into a practice far more gentle than in its early origins.[citation needed]


Criticisms
Rolfing practitioners have suggested its use for a wide variety of medical conditions. However, there is insufficient data to endorse its effectiveness as a therapy[3]. Many regard it as no more than a deep massage.

Rolfing is generally regarded as safe.[3] Because it involves deep tissue manipulation, pregnant women and people with skeletal, vascular, or clot disorders should consult a health care provider before undertaking Rolfing sessions[3].

Some within the Rolfing community question the original emphasis placed on fascia by Rolf and now believe that the symptoms they detect and treat may have more to do with abnormally high muscle tonus than actual fascial restrictions.[4]



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Re: Muscular adehesions/knots...what do you do about them?
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2008, 10:14:00 AM »
Some of the more difficult versions of self-myofascial release (massage stick, rolling pin, tennis/lacrosse balls) might be of some benefit.  I have an e-book on it somewhere on my comp, if you want it shoot me a pm.