Mumbai gunmen 'were BRITISH'

[Nordic Superman]

Mumbai gunmen 'were BRITISH': Indian authorities say two of arrested militants are from UK

Aah yes, British born, British raised, educated in Britain, but somehow inspired to mass murder innocent people.

Why did they do this? Islamic ideology.

See: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1089711/Mumbai-gunmen-BRITISH-Indian-authorities-say-arrested-militants-UK.html

Also: "Turkish couple let off by terrorists for being Muslims": http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/3766609.cms

Islam, religion of peace?

[Hedgehog]

Mumbai gunmen 'were BRITISH': Indian authorities say two of arrested militants are from UK

Aah yes, British born, British raised, educated in Britain, but somehow inspired to mass murder innocent people.

Why did they do this? Islamic ideology.

See: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1089711/Mumbai-gunmen-BRITISH-Indian-authorities-say-arrested-militants-UK.html

Also: "Turkish couple let off by terrorists for being Muslims": http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/3766609.cms

Islam, religion of peace?

What do you suggest should be done to take care of the problem?

I'm serious this time.

[El_Pajero]

maybe they wanted to prevent indian women to become whores as british women.

[Nordic Superman]

What do you suggest should be done to take care of the problem?

I'm serious this time.

Ban islamic schools in Britain. Dissemble the sharia courts recently introduced. Limit immigration from undesirable countries.

maybe they wanted to prevent indian women to become whores as british women.

Too late to save your mother from that fate tho...

[240 is Back]

NBC reporting they're from Kashmir.

[Hedgehog]

Ban islamic schools in Britain. Dissemble the sharia courts recently introduced. Limit immigration from undesirable countries.

Too late to save your mother from that fate tho...

How about doing what Denmark does?

Having a contract for all immigrants to sign where the common practices and rules of the Danish society (eg Women's rights) is written down and that the immigrant promises to follow the laws of Danmark, if not he/she will lose benefits and/or risk getting sent out.

They also have to learn Danish.

Regardless if the terrorists were Brits, I think making clear rules and guidelines would be helpful for everyone, even the immigrants themselves.

[w8tlftr]

How about doing what Denmark does?

Having a contract for all immigrants to sign where the common practices and rules of the Danish society (eg Women's rights) is written down and that the immigrant promises to follow the laws of Danmark, if not he/she will lose benefits and/or risk getting sent out.

They also have to learn Danish.

Regardless if the terrorists were Brits, I think making clear rules and guidelines would be helpful for everyone, even the immigrants themselves.

The ACLU would go apeshit if that was tried in the United States.

I like it though.

[Hedgehog]

The ACLU would go apeshit if that was tried in the United States.

I like it though.

I wonder what Coach will say when he finds out that it's the Liberal party in Danmark, the sister party of the US Democrats, who is behind this very law.

[Nordic Superman]

Why does Britain let all these Dunecoons in anyway? Don't they know they are filthy animals?

Old parts of the Empire have certain privileges when it comes to taking up British residency.

[shootfighter1]

Hedgehog, that is a great idea to carry over to the US.

[Camel Jockey]

Didn't Debussey once talk about how muslims in Norway are pretty educated due to strict laws regarding immigration?

England should do the same, as should the United States. Though I think the US will never have the sheer magnitude of problems as England, but still.

[Hedgehog]

Why does Britain let all these Dunecoons in anyway? Don't they know they are filthy animals?

How about you drop the racial slurs?

It's getting really old.

[danielson]

How about you drop the racial slurs?

It's getting really old.

When a group of Muslims attack your country and way of life maybe you will see things differently.

[Hedgehog]

When an group of Muslims attack your country and way of life maybe you will see things differently.

Look man,
I don't like Islam.
There are many reasons I don't.

But I think racial slurs only infect and destroys any critical discussion about the Islamic problem.

[danielson]

Look man,
I don't like Islam.
There are many reasons I don't.

But I think racial slurs only infect and destroys any critical discussion about the Islamic problem.

Ok, fair enough.

[24KT]

Mumbai gunmen 'were BRITISH': Indian authorities say two of arrested militants are from UK

Aah yes, British born, British raised, educated in Britain, but somehow inspired to mass murder innocent people.

Immigration contracts do nothing but pander to xenophobes without addressing the root of the problems.
Considering they were "British born, British raised, and educated in Britain",... it would appear the correct question to ask is "what is wrong within Britain that their society produces so many homegrown terrorists?"

Immigration laws or reforms do nothing to address what appears to be a problem of "internal" origin.

Immigration reform in the form of the "Danish Contract" would have done nothing to prevent this, or have the teeth to exact punitive measures... not with these. Where would you send British, born, raised & educated kids back to?

It's just as silly as when Canada attempted to deport Eddie Melo to Portugal even though he was born abroad.
He arrived in Canada when he was a few months old, was raised here, went to school here til he was 13 or so, when he dropped out to be a pro boxer. After taking too many punches to the head, and no education to fall back on, ...at 18 he started running with the mafia and other organized crime figures who were prevalent in Quebec boxing.

The child labour laws designed to protect Eddie failed him, ...and the gov tried to wash their hands of a problem that was their own making, by sending a violent, dangerous, criminal to Portugal where he couldn't even speak the language?? What havoc would he wreak there, ...especially without the ability to even speak Portuguese?? 

Portugal's response:
"F You Canada! He ain't coming here. We don't want him. He's your problem. You made him what he is today"

[24KT]

When a group of Muslims attack your country and way of life maybe you will see things differently.

Only a racist mentality will use any excuse, no matter how horrific to instll race based hatred into society.

A group of caucasians attacked your country and way of life, ...I haven't heard you calling for their genocide.

Fight the ideology and mentality behind the crime, ...not the race or nationality of the perpetrators.

[Nordic Superman]

Immigration contracts do nothing but pander to xenophobes without addressing the root of the problems.
Considering they were "British born, British raised, and educated in Britain",... it would appear the correct question to ask is "what is wrong within Britain that their society produces so many homegrown terrorists?"

Immigration laws or reforms do nothing to address what appears to be a problem of "internal" origin.

Immigration reform in the form of the "Danish Contract" would have done nothing to prevent this, or have the teeth to exact punitive measures... not with these. Where would you send British, born, raised & educated kids back to?

It's just as silly as when Canada attempted to deport Eddie Melo to Portugal even though he was born abroad.
He arrived in Canada when he was a few months old, was raised here, went to school here til he was 13 or so, when he dropped out to be a pro boxer. After taking too many punches to the head, and no education to fall back on, ...at 18 he started running with the mafia and other organized crime figures who were prevalent in Quebec boxing.

The child labour laws designed to protect Eddie failed him, ...and the gov tried to wash their hands of a problem that was their own making, by sending a violent, dangerous, criminal to Portugal where he couldn't even speak the language?? What havoc would he wreak there, ...especially without the ability to even speak Portuguese?? 

Portugal's response:
"F You Canada! He ain't coming here. We don't want him. He's your problem. You made him what he is today"

I never said the British government is at fault. It certainly is. It allowed the mass immigration of undesirable immigrants from predominantly muslim countries, it allowed to construction of islamic schools, know to teach the koran properly, ergo it is offensive and extreme to non-muslims.

There is a limit of intervention a government can assume tho. Do you want the government wanting to chose exactly what you can eat, who you can speak to etc.? I bet you do as I bet you're quite the extreme socialist.

[Hedgehog]

Immigration contracts do nothing but pander to xenophobes without addressing the root of the problems.
Considering they were "British born, British raised, and educated in Britain",... it would appear the correct question to ask is "what is wrong within Britain that their society produces so many homegrown terrorists?"

Immigration laws or reforms do nothing to address what appears to be a problem of "internal" origin.

Immigration reform in the form of the "Danish Contract" would have done nothing to prevent this, or have the teeth to exact punitive measures... not with these. Where would you send British, born, raised & educated kids back to?

It's just as silly as when Canada attempted to deport Eddie Melo to Portugal even though he was born abroad.
He arrived in Canada when he was a few months old, was raised here, went to school here til he was 13 or so, when he dropped out to be a pro boxer. After taking too many punches to the head, and no education to fall back on, ...at 18 he started running with the mafia and other organized crime figures who were prevalent in Quebec boxing.

The child labour laws designed to protect Eddie failed him, ...and the gov tried to wash their hands of a problem that was their own making, by sending a violent, dangerous, criminal to Portugal where he couldn't even speak the language?? What havoc would he wreak there, ...especially without the ability to even speak Portuguese?? 

Portugal's response:
"F You Canada! He ain't coming here. We don't want him. He's your problem. You made him what he is today"

The Danish contract does actually get something done.

It forces immigrants to learn Danish, it forces them to acknowledge Danish laws and practices, such as Women's rights.

You haven't read Nordic very well if you think he's not critisizing the British system.

That is exactly what he's doing.

He is very critical of the UK society for being a breeding ground for these terrorists.

You on the other hand is a multiculti hugger and a cultural apologist who never seems to critisize the Muslim culture, in some perverted belief that only because the Muslim world was in opposition to Bush, it somehow justifies the wrongs.

Let me be perfectly clear:

No matter if we're referring to everyday Islam or extremist Islamist terrorism, it is still fundamentally wrong.

Because Islam is based on the wrong premises, eg lack of women's rights.

[danielson]

Only a racist mentality will use any excuse, no matter how horrific to instll race based hatred into society.

A group of caucasians attacked your country and way of life, ...I haven't heard you calling for their genocide.

Fight the ideology and mentality behind the crime, ...not the race or nationality of the perpetrators.

Are you referring to Tim McVeigh and the OK. City bombings? I hate white trash too.

[Fury]

The Danish contract does actually get something done.

It forces immigrants to learn Danish, it forces them to acknowledge Danish laws and practices, such as Women's rights.

You haven't read Nordic very well if you think he's not critisizing the British system.

That is exactly what he's doing.

He is very critical of the UK society for being a breeding ground for these terrorists.

You on the other hand is a multiculti hugger and a cultural apologist who never seems to critisize the Muslim culture, in some perverted belief that only because the Muslim world was in opposition to Bush, it somehow justifies the wrongs.

Let me be perfectly clear:

No matter if we're referring to everyday Islam or extremist Islamist terrorism, it is still fundamentally wrong.

Because Islam is based on the wrong premises, eg lack of women's rights.

Funny how she never mentions that.

[Hedgehog]

Funny how she never mentions that.

Ship here off to Saudi Arabia or Somalia and let her try out hardcore Muslim life for a few days months years.

Maybe those societies won't be so charming and "culturally exotic" all of a sudden.

[Fury]

Ship here off to Saudi Arabia or Somalia and let her try out hardcore Muslim life for a few days months years.

Maybe those societies won't be so charming and "culturally exotic" all of a sudden.

Nothing wrong about not being able to walk on the streets without a male escort, not being able to drive, not being able to talk to any man not from your family, not being able to wear the clothes you want, etc. Very advanced society. 

[shootfighter1]

Judi, and any other intelligent westernized woman, would have a huge problem with traditional islamic culture and traditions if they were directly subject to the restrictions placed on their women. 

The point is that unless muslims live by western law, attend western/state schools and stop trying to force their traditions into western culture, they should not be allowed to stay in western countries.

Using racial slurs only hurts the debate and forces discussion away from the issue.  In fact, it gives muslim sympathizers some ground to stand on.

[Hedgehog]

Judi, and any other intelligent westernized woman, would have a huge problem with traditional islamic culture and traditions if they were directly subject to the restrictions placed on their women. 

The point is that unless muslims live by western law, attend western/state schools and stop trying to force their traditions into western culture, they should not be allowed to stay in western countries.

Using racial slurs only hurts the debate and forces discussion away from the issue.  In fact, it gives muslim sympathizers some ground to stand on.

Good post.

It gives them the opportunity to pull the racist card.