Schwarzenegger declares emergency

[Soul Crusher]

That is not true.

Than why else do they want immediate amnesty for illegal aliens???

[Mark Kerr]

Than why else do they want immediate amnesty for illegal aliens???

Post a source, I haven't heard that.

The right will always blame the left. But in reality, over the last 28 years the Republicans have been in control of the White House for 20 of those years. And from 2000 to 2006 the Republicans were in control of the White House and Congress for the first time in 20 years. Right now we are seeing the "right wing polices" in place, and look what has happened.

[Soul Crusher]

Post a source, I haven't heard that.

The right will always blame the left. But in reality, over the last 28 years the Republicans have been in control of the White House for 20 of those years. And from 2000 to 2006 the Republicans were in control of the White House and Congress for the first time in 20 years. Right now we are seeing the "right wing polices" in place, and look what has happened.

Again, answer the question -

WHY DOES THE LEFT WANT IMMEDIATE AMNESTY FOR 20 MILLION ILLEGAL ALIENS?

[Mark Kerr]

Again, answer the question -

WHY DOES THE LEFT WANT IMMEDIATE AMNESTY FOR 20 MILLION ILLEGAL ALIENS?

Again, post a source.

I can't answer the question without facts to back it up.

[Hedgehog]

Again, answer the question -

WHY DOES THE LEFT WANT IMMEDIATE AMNESTY FOR 20 MILLION ILLEGAL ALIENS?

If they do, I think it's probably because those illegal aliens are here working illegal.

If they get amnesty they would start paying taxes, get registrated, get into the system and would not compete with other workers unfairly.

I know unions are usually very critical of immigrants because they undercut the wages and the conditions at companies.

[Decker]

Illegal Aliens (facts and statistics)


1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year. http://tinyurl.com/zob77

2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fisca lexec.html

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English! http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../01/ldt.0.html

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt 01.html

7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01 /ldt.01.html

8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers. http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/ 29/ldt.01.html

9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html

10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...12/ldt.01.html

11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroine and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

12. The National Policy Institute, "estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period." http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.o...eportation.pdf

13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their coun tries of origin. http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm

14. "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States ". http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml The total cost is a whooping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR If this doesn't bother you then just delete the message, but on the other hand, if it does raise the hair on the back of your neck, then forward it to every friend you have. OK, some of you don't have any friends.

How many billions in tax dollars do these illegals pay?  They'll never see a dime of their payroll taxes (soc. sec./medicare).

[Soul Crusher]

If they do, I think it's probably because those illegal aliens are here working illegal.

If they get amnesty they would start paying taxes, get registrated, get into the system and would not compete with other workers unfairly.

I know unions are usually very critical of immigrants because they undercut the wages and the conditions at companies.

You people are so clueless it hurts.  These "immigrants" even when "paying" into the system often take out far more between the EITC and the declaring of dependents in other countries.

How do I know this?  I deal with contractors, accountants, and businesses every day as part of my business and am told daily how these scams are pulled off.

These people game the system in ways that would make your head spin. 

When you factor in the costs of educating their kids, health care, etc, they are a net drain on the country.

Also, how old are you?

Do you really think Pelosi is going to admit that she wants these 20 million people to get amnesty for votes?  Come on, how dumb can you really be?

[Soul Crusher]

How many billions in tax dollars do these illegals pay?  They'll never see a dime of their payroll taxes (soc. sec./medicare).

Pure BS.  Most of these people get the EITC and declare dependants in Mexico to bring their tax rate to less than zero.  In fact, many of these people get huge checks at the end of the year from these fraudulent accountants who do the taxes.

Ask anyone in the know and they will confirm what I am telling you.

[Decker]

Pure BS.  Most of these people get the EITC and declare dependants in Mexico to bring their tax rate to less than zero.  In fact, many of these people get huge checks at the end of the year from these fraudulent accountants who do the taxes.

Ask anyone in the know and they will confirm what I am telling you.

How does any of that affect payroll taxes already paid?  It doesn't.

[Hereford]

Hmmmmm... which is it? ...and how does a group working for slave wages go about accumulating millions?  Duh! 

You can make millions working for slave wages is there are enough of you....

[Mark Kerr]

They'll never see a dime of their payroll taxes (soc. sec./medicare).

Not true.

INVASION USA
Illegal aliens threaten
U.S. medical system
Docs journal reports hospitals being closed, previously vanquished diseases being spread.

Posted: March 13, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com



Cristobal Silverio emigrated illegally from Mexico to Stockton, Calif., in 1997 to work as a fruit picker. He brought with him his wife, Felipa, and three children, 19, 12 and 8 – all illegals. When Felipa gave birth to her fourth child, daughter Flor, the family had what is referred to as an "anchor baby" – an American citizen by birth who provided the entire Silverio clan a ticket to remain in the U.S. permanently.

But Flor was born premature, spent three months in the neonatal incubator and cost the San Joaquin Hospital more than $300,000. Meanwhile, oldest daughter Lourdes married an illegal alien gave birth to a daughter, too. Her name is Esmeralda. And Felipa had yet another child, Cristian.


The two Silverio anchor babies generate $1,000 per month in public welfare funding for the family. Flor gets $600 a month for asthma. Healthy Cristian gets $400. While the Silverios earned $18,000 last year picking fruit, they picked up another $12,000 for their two "anchor babies." While President Bush says the U.S. needs more "cheap labor" from south of the border to do jobs Americans aren't willing to do, the case of the Silverios shows there are indeed uncalculated costs involved in the importation of such labor – public support and uninsured medical costs.

[Soul Crusher]

How does any of that affect payroll taxes already paid?  It doesn't.

It offsets each other.

Plus, many of these people are lower wage manual labor workers.  Guess what that means?

They will be on disability and take far more out of the system than most other workers.

Do you really think Jefe is employable as a Mason at 55 y/o??

[Soul Crusher]

Not true.

INVASION USA
Illegal aliens threaten
U.S. medical system
Docs journal reports hospitals being closed, previously vanquished diseases being spread.

Posted: March 13, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com



Cristobal Silverio emigrated illegally from Mexico to Stockton, Calif., in 1997 to work as a fruit picker. He brought with him his wife, Felipa, and three children, 19, 12 and 8 – all illegals. When Felipa gave birth to her fourth child, daughter Flor, the family had what is referred to as an "anchor baby" – an American citizen by birth who provided the entire Silverio clan a ticket to remain in the U.S. permanently.

But Flor was born premature, spent three months in the neonatal incubator and cost the San Joaquin Hospital more than $300,000. Meanwhile, oldest daughter Lourdes married an illegal alien gave birth to a daughter, too. Her name is Esmeralda. And Felipa had yet another child, Cristian.


The two Silverio anchor babies generate $1,000 per month in public welfare funding for the family. Flor gets $600 a month for asthma. Healthy Cristian gets $400. While the Silverios earned $18,000 last year picking fruit, they picked up another $12,000 for their two "anchor babies." While President Bush says the U.S. needs more "cheap labor" from south of the border to do jobs Americans aren't willing to do, the case of the Silverios shows there are indeed uncalculated costs involved in the importation of such labor – public support and uninsured medical costs.

Those "anchor babies" are more like ticking financial time bombs. 

[Hedgehog]

You people are so clueless it hurts.  These "immigrants" even when "paying" into the system often take out far more between the EITC and the declaring of dependents in other countries.

How do I know this?  I deal with contractors, accountants, and businesses every day as part of my business and am told daily how these scams are pulled off.

These people game the system in ways that would make your head spin. 

When you factor in the costs of educating their kids, health care, etc, they are a net drain on the country.

Also, how old are you?

Do you really think Pelosi is going to admit that she wants these 20 million people to get amnesty for votes?  Come on, how dumb can you really be?

I was looking for a rational explanation.

If that makes me dumb - hey, so be it.

But they won't still be able to vote since they are not going to be US citizens, they're only getting the Green Card, so how is that going to help Pelosi?

I would think that it's a pretty unpopular stance Pelosi is taking. Immigrants aren't really kosher with a whole lot of people.

They often brings problem with them, especially when they have problem assimilate as the Mexicans seems to have in California.

Criminality, poverty and ghetto culture often comes with a high amount of immigrants and a lack of immigration coordination.

[Hereford]

You people are so clueless it hurts.  These "immigrants" even when "paying" into the system often take out far more between the EITC and the declaring of dependents in other countries.

How do I know this?  I deal with contractors, accountants, and businesses every day as part of my business and am told daily how these scams are pulled off.

These people game the system in ways that would make your head spin. 

When you factor in the costs of educating their kids, health care, etc, they are a net drain on the country.

Also, how old are you?

Do you really think Pelosi is going to admit that she wants these 20 million people to get amnesty for votes?  Come on, how dumb can you really be?

Yes, I have seen first hand this kinda stuff. Every illegal that takes a job will claim 8 dependents, and sometimes actually make up more to get the zero tax rate. I had a 16 year old show up one time asking for a job, and claimed 7 kids on the w-4. Granted, he WAS mexican, but c'mon now...

Illegals pay ALMOST NOTHING in net taxes into the system. For every illegal you see working in the field or on the farm or otherwise laboring, there are half a dozen at least sitting at home or on their way to the WIC office.

[Decker]

Not true.

INVASION USA
Illegal aliens threaten
U.S. medical system
Docs journal reports hospitals being closed, previously vanquished diseases being spread.

Posted: March 13, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com



Cristobal Silverio emigrated illegally from Mexico to Stockton, Calif., in 1997 to work as a fruit picker. He brought with him his wife, Felipa, and three children, 19, 12 and 8 – all illegals. When Felipa gave birth to her fourth child, daughter Flor, the family had what is referred to as an "anchor baby" – an American citizen by birth who provided the entire Silverio clan a ticket to remain in the U.S. permanently.

But Flor was born premature, spent three months in the neonatal incubator and cost the San Joaquin Hospital more than $300,000. Meanwhile, oldest daughter Lourdes married an illegal alien gave birth to a daughter, too. Her name is Esmeralda. And Felipa had yet another child, Cristian.


The two Silverio anchor babies generate $1,000 per month in public welfare funding for the family. Flor gets $600 a month for asthma. Healthy Cristian gets $400. While the Silverios earned $18,000 last year picking fruit, they picked up another $12,000 for their two "anchor babies." While President Bush says the U.S. needs more "cheap labor" from south of the border to do jobs Americans aren't willing to do, the case of the Silverios shows there are indeed uncalculated costs involved in the importation of such labor – public support and uninsured medical costs.

It is true.  You're confusing social security (funded by payroll taxes) with AFDIC (welfare not funded by payroll taxes).

[T]he Social Security Administration reports that it holds $420 billion from the earnings of immigrants who are not in a position to claim benefits...

[Soul Crusher]

I was looking for a rational explanation.

If that makes me dumb - hey, so be it.

But they won't still be able to vote since they are not going to be US citizens, they're only getting the Green Card, so how is that going to help Pelosi?

I would think that it's a pretty unpopular stance Pelosi is taking. Immigrants aren't really kosher with a whole lot of people.

They often brings problem with them, especially when they have problem assimilate as the Mexicans seems to have in California.

Criminality, poverty and ghetto culture often comes with a high amount of immigrants and a lack of immigration coordination.

Dont you here Obama and Pelosi keep saying :  "Pathway to Citizenship" ?

[Hereford]

It is true.  You're confusing social security (funded by payroll taxes) with AFDIC (welfare not funded by payroll taxes).

[T]he Social Security Administration reports that it holds $420 billion from the earnings of immigrants who are not in a position to claim benefits...

This is true. I believe it is a major reason many in the government won't address the problem.

Not being able to claim SSI is a drawback to using fake SSNs and defrauding others of theirs...

[Soul Crusher]

Yes, I have seen first hand this kinda stuff. Every illegal that takes a job will claim 8 dependents, and sometimes actually make up more to get the zero tax rate. I had a 16 year old show up one time asking for a job, and claimed 7 kids on the w-4. Granted, he WAS mexican, but c'mon now...

Illegals pay ALMOST NOTHING in net taxes into the system. For every illegal you see working in the field or on the farm or otherwise laboring, there are half a dozen at least sitting at home or on their way to the WIC office.

Thank you.  Sometimes I feel like I am the only one who sees this garbage going on daily. 

These morons who rationalize 20 million invaders in this country are so clueless as to what really goes down. 

[Mark Kerr]

It is true.  You're confusing social security (funded by payroll taxes) with AFDIC (welfare not funded by payroll taxes).

[T]he Social Security Administration reports that it holds $420 billion from the earnings of immigrants who are not in a position to claim benefits...

I think the point is, it doesn't matter if they pay payroll taxes. They are being supported by the American taxpayer. What's even more fvcked up is American citizens don't even get those kind of Government handouts.

[Decker]

This is true. I believe it is a major reason many in the government won't address the problem.

Not being able to claim SSI is a drawback to using fake SSNs and defrauding others of theirs...

I think you might have something there.  Since the Congress raids the SS trust regularly, that's a dependable source of income.

[Decker]

I think the point is, it doesn't matter if they pay payroll taxes. They are being supported by the American taxpayer. What's even more fvcked up is American citizens don't even get those kind of Government handouts.

Which tax-payer funded welfare programs benefit illegals and not citizens?

[Soul Crusher]

I think you might have something there.  Since the Congress raids the SS trust regularly, that's a dependable source of income.

Its disgusting because of English speaking law abiding taxpayers have to deal with these people everywhere we go.  

I'm tired of everywhere I go resembling the UN.  

These people need to speak English or GTFO.

[Hereford]

It's actually a cultural thing for mexicans to refuse to learn/speak English.

[Soul Crusher]

It's actually a cultural thing for mexicans to refuse to learn/speak English.

Our forefathers and dead soldiers are rolling in their graves.

These people need to GO HOME!