I'm pretty close to "pro size"... naturally...

[Soundness]

I am 5'7....Off-season Weight is 220- Competition around 190lb. At the Xenadrine add I was about 235lb-13% body fat and drop to 4% competition

Do your shoulders make your upper body twice as wide as your waist?

[DeltsaForce]

Stavios you have Great structure...just got to be patient and stick with it....with 20lb of pure muscle you will look sick....just take your time....I would say a realistic goal for that gain is 2 to 3 years

Drug addicts both passive enabling each other.

[Soundness]

Evil Angel, you do look good but you are pumped full of illegal drugs. You and your woman spend hours turning each other into pin cushions as you inject your fixes.
We should make the point that Alex is natural which makes his pro-like size remarkable.
For more remarkable than a drug addict in a thong.

True. Alex deserves tremendous props for the fact that he's gained the size he has without drugs.

[DeltsaForce]

I know where you are coming from, been training for 6 years myself and still about 190lbs onstage at 5'10 

I thought you were going to "never compete again" after 4th out of 5  competitors in your last show?

[Tamer Razor]

Evil Angel, you do look good but you are pumped full of illegal drugs. You and your woman spend hours turning each other into pin cushions as you inject your fixes.
We should make the point that Alex is natural which makes his pro-like size remarkable.
For more remarkable than a drug addict in a thong.

DeltaForce I respect your opinion, but if you think that Genetics and Nutrition and Training has anything to do with drugs you lack minimum understanding of Biochemistry. No Pill or drug can alter genetics or make you wake up at 5:00 am to do cardio...all this are factors that require genetics and determination. As I said before Alex has a very powerfull physique but to compare it to a Pro level size is pure ignorance to the max....the numbers to even add up close to it.....

[DeltsaForce]

DeltaForce I respect your opinion, but if you think that Genetics and Nutrition and Training has anything to do with drugs you lack minimum understanding of Biochemistry. No Pill or drug can alter genetics or make you wake up at 5:00 am to do cardio...all this are factors that require genetics and determination. As I said before Alex has a very powerfull physique but to compare it to a Pro level size is pure ignorance to the max....the numbers to even add up close to it.....

yea, yea. blah blah. Every roid abuser's response.


It's a wonder you guys spend so much money and time/effort procuring and injecting these illegal drugs they do so little

And Alex did not say pro condition. he said pro size and if you look at the likes of dexter and lee, he has that size in spades.

[Tamer Razor]

hahahaha -- for drug addicts it's not about giving it time, it's about upping the dosage
so he should tell him -- stick more shit in your ass take more steroids or take some other drugs

It is so difficult to talk with people that have absolutely no knowledge of science. Drugs will increase the hormonal level in your blood stream, they have no alter genetic power or ability to produce protein synthesis on its on it is required proper nutrition and training combine with Genetics to do so....But Losers Always find excuses to their lack of determination or genetics....It is like an Fat person blaming the world.

[kiwiol]

Evil Angel, you do look good but you are pumped full of illegal drugs. You and your woman spend hours turning each other into pin cushions as you inject your fixes.
We should make the point that Alex is natural which makes his pro-like size remarkable.
For more remarkable than a drug addict in a thong.

Hope you are kidding with the Alex being pro-size comment - he himself most likely made it tongue-in-cheek. He was a big boy for sure, but nowhere near pro size. There's no natural here or anywhere who is. The pic below was taken at last year's Arnold Classic (I don't have the original one, lol!). As you can see, nowhere near pro size.

[DeltsaForce]

It is so difficult to talk with people that have absolutely no knowledge of science. Drugs will increase the hormonal level in your blood stream, they have no alter genetic power or ability to produce protein synthesis on its on it is required proper nutrition and training combine with Genetics to do so....But Losers Always find excuses to their lack of determination or genetics....It is like an Fat person blaming the world.

Again, typical roiders melty response.

Again, I ask if they are so unimportant and tiny, why spend thousands of dollars on this shit? why search out new areas to inject this stuff because you've turned one site septic?

haha, you do this junkie shit because you are nothing without it and genetic response to hormones IS the major factor here and has been since they first started popping dbol.

[DeltsaForce]

Hope you are kidding with the Alex being pro-size comment - he himself most likely made it tongue-in-cheek. He was a big boy for sure, but nowhere near pro size. There's no natural here or anywhere who is. The pic below was taken at last year's Arnold Classic (I don't have the original one, lol!). As you can see, nowhere near pro size.

Kiwi , can you post me that pic of you sitting outside at a table with some blonde girl. I am searching for it but can't find

[Tamer Razor]

Alex is no where near Dexter Jackson or Lee Priest, let's keep realistic here
who cares, once they come off drugs they will look like the bottom twinks they were before they went on hahaha

Deltaforce....Let me educate you ...Will all due respect you do not know what you talking about. Bodybuilders lose large amounts of muscle due to the fact the the body has no need to keep that muscle it has no biological need for it so once the stimulus of intense training and nutrition is cease the body fast will get rid of the excess muscle that just requires large amounts of oxygen and calories to be sustain. Drugs play obviously a role but no Drugs will keep muscle without correct caloric intake and stimulus cause by training....

[Soundness]

Again, typical roiders melty response.

Again, I ask if they are so unimportant and tiny, why spend thousands of dollars on this shit? why search out new areas to inject this stuff because you've turned one site septic?

haha, you do this junkie shit because you are nothing without it and genetic response to hormones IS the major factor here and has been since they first started popping dbol.

LOL "melty"  

[The Coach]

What really sucks is....
















This has NOTHING to do with golf!!

[Soundness]

Deltaforce....Let me educate you ...Will all due respect you do not know what you talking about. Bodybuilders lose large amounts of muscle due to the fact the the body has no need to keep that muscle it has no biological need for it so once the stimulus of intense training and nutrition is cease the body fast will get rid of the excess muscle that just requires large amounts of oxygen and calories to be sustain. Drugs play obviously a role but no Drugs will keep muscle without correct caloric intake and stimulus cause by training....

You're saying that someone can get huge with drugs, then stop taking the drugs yet keep the muscular size as long as they keep training hard and get enough calories?

[kiwiol]

Kiwi , can you post me that pic of you sitting outside at a table with some blonde girl. I am searching for it but can't find

To show what? I was a skinny bitch who weighed a monstrous 180 lb?

I'm not saying and have never said I'm pro size or anything stud. And again, no one's disputing the fact that A23 was a beast when he was training full blown. I use the past tense cause I haven't seen him post any new pics of his physique recently (unless I missed it). I am disagreeing with your notion that he is pro-size. No natural could ever be even close, unless you are comparing with some shitty pro like Kenny Jones. Pros who are the same height as Alex would out muscle him big time.

Could Alex be as big as a pro or even bigger than the 'average' pro if he juices? For sure. But is he that big now? Not even close. Just my opinion.

[DeltsaForce]

Deltaforce....Let me educate you ...Will all due respect you do not know what you talking about. Bodybuilders lose large amounts of muscle due to the fact the the body has no need to keep that muscle it has no biological need for it so once the stimulus of intense training and nutrition is cease the body fast will get rid of the excess muscle that just requires large amounts of oxygen and calories to be sustain. Drugs play obviously a role but no Drugs will keep muscle without correct caloric intake and stimulus cause by training....

You aren't educating shit. In fact, your spelling and punctuation is like that of an 8 year old Nigerian.
You take massive amounts of drugs and so does your bitch.
You do this shit because you are nothing without it.
You try to downplay the importance of your illegal drug use because in reality - and deep down you know this - you are nothing without your drugs and your genetic response to them

[Tamer Razor]

they don't need to alter genetic power for protein synthesis "Evil Angel" you dipshit!
it's steroids, they are anabolic, the more you take the bigger you will be
mega dosing it + food + training equals monster
look at phil heath and what a monster he became after 3 years

No need to be disrespectful is ok if you disagree....But in base of what you say if you train like Phil eat like him and take his Drugs you would look like him in 3 years....Ok ...Please be real....It is guys here taking 3 times that and don't even look like half of his arm...Genetics rule this is not my opinion this is a fact. Not being arrogant here but I have a BS in Molecular Biology...so I believe that even so I have much to learn I am speaking with you with some background info.

[Kwon]

just because you and Alex have the same bloated obese built doesn't mean you should defend him all the time.

Why doesn't it?

[Tamer Razor]

You aren't educating shit. In fact, your spelling and punctuation is like that of an 8 year old Nigerian.
You take massive amounts of drugs and so does your bitch.
You do this shit because you are nothing without it.
You try to downplay the importance of your illegal drug use because in reality - and deep down you know this - you are nothing without your drugs and your genetic response to them

Again....I am not here to offend you or disrespect you ....you can disagree with me. I am sorry about my Punctuation....English is not my first language. Well no one is obligating you to take anything...is a free world....More power to you.

[kiwiol]

Evil Angel: if pro bodybuilders keep training and eating they will not lose any size on no drugs


that is the stupidest thing I have heard a competitive bodybuilder say

That's not what he's saying. He says that if you train, eat and juice exactly the way Phil Heath does, you still aren't going to look like P Heath, which is correct.

[Soundness]

No need to be disrespectful is ok if you disagree....But in base of what you say if you train like Phil eat like him and take his Drugs you would look like him in 3 years....Ok ...Please be real....It is guys here taking 3 times that and don't even look like half of his arm...Genetics rule this is not my opinion this is a fact. Not being arrogant here but I have a BS in Molecular Biology...so I believe that even so I have much to learn I am speaking with you with some background info.

Sure. Some people respond tremendously well to anabolic drugs, some don't respond at all. I think everyone agrees on that. Of course genetics would determine the body's response to the drugs.

However, no matter what the response is, as long as there is any, larger amounts will always cause more dramatic effect and vice versa. This is why the "standard" continues to raise, not because of training methods, etc..., but because of larger drug intake.

[DeltsaForce]

Could Alex be as big as a pro or even bigger than the 'average' pro if he juices? For sure. But is he that big now? Not even close. Just my opinion.

He said close to pro size. He did not say pro size or pro condition.

Look, even Bigbobs is matching Dexter.

Given that Alex said "close to" and did not claim a pros thongman condition, his statement holds.
We have to be fair to Alex here.

[Tamer Razor]

Evil Angel: if pro bodybuilders keep training and eating they will not lose any size on no drugs


that is the stupidest thing I have heard a competitive bodybuilder say

I am sorry, I believe you misunderstand me. What I said on my post what the lack of training and aggressive diet require to bodybuilding with produce very fast elimination of Muscle due to the body's lack of biological need to that excess muscle. The body hate have excess muscle it is useless to its survival....actually it make it harder due to oxygen and caloric requirements.

[DeltsaForce]

FFS -- kid, just because you're obese doesn't mean you should go bash people who are ripped and in great shape, shut the fuck up and diet down

Look at the picture. Otherwise, good posts from you but your jealousy of Alex is alarming.

[Tamer Razor]

care to explain this post Kiwiol?

Again.....no Drugs will keep muscle without correct caloric intake and stimulus cause by training....