Jobs banks? Get paid not to work?? Your 'bailout' money at work

[Decker]

We are not going back to the 1950's, whether you like it or not. 

The bottom line is that people will adapt and innovate or starve.

Clinging on to nostalgic times that you or I did not live in is useless and no productive.     

It's not nostalgia.  It's called a standard of living.

And you are all too happy to see this country's standard of living destroyed in the name of profit for a few.

[Soul Crusher]

It's not nostalgia.  It's called a standard of living.
And you are all too happy to see this country's standard of living destroyed in the name of profit for a few.

My standard of living is affected by paying 50% on the dollar to all sorts of taxes and b.s. by the government, not by propping up failed businesses with your and mine tax dollars.

[MRDUMPLING]

That's what I don't get Decker...how is letting a proven failed business plan going to effect the country's standard of living?  If a business fails, it fails, we all are not going to start living in mud huts because of a big company going under.  Will it hurt? Yes.  We will move forward though.

[Decker]

My standard of living is affected by paying 50% on the dollar to all sorts of taxes and b.s. by the government, not by propping up failed businesses with your and mine tax dollars.

You don't pay 50% of your dollar in taxes.

You will pay a lot more if the big 3 fail.

[Decker]

That's what I don't get Decker...how is letting a proven failed business plan going to effect the country's standard of living?  If a business fails, it fails, we all are not going to start living in mud huts because of a big company going under.  Will it hurt? Yes.  We will move forward though.

The big 3 have tens of thousands inter-related business from mechanics, distributors, dealers, suppliers etc.  If they go down, so a couple of million people.

[Soul Crusher]

You don't pay 50% of your dollar in taxes.

You will pay a lot more if the big 3 fail.

I am self employed:

1.  15% SS tax
2.  Income tax.
3.  Real Estate Tax
4.  Sales taxes
5.  Cell phone and communications taxes
6.  Tolls
7.  DMV Fees
8.  Gas tax
9.  Electricity tax.


When you tally it all up, it is 50% of all monies.

I guess you think that people paying 50% in taxes does not negatively impact their standard of living.

Let me keep more of MY OWN DAMN MONEY and I will spread it around in the local economy rather than give it to the bums and thieves like Blagovich, et al.

     

[Decker]

I am self employed:

1.  15% SS tax
2.  Income tax.
3.  Real Estate Tax
4.  Sales taxes
5.  Cell phone and communications taxes
6.  Tolls
7.  DMV Fees
8.  Gas tax
9.  Electricity tax.


When you tally it all up, it is 50% of all monies.

I guess you think that people paying 50% in taxes does not negatively impact their standard of living.

Let me keep more of MY OWN DAMN MONEY and I will spread it around in the local economy rather than give it to the bums and thieves like Blagovich, et al.

You only pay 1/2 of the payroll tax and your hirelilngs pay the other half.  If you pay the nominal rate for income tax then you need a new accoutant b/c you're getting screwed.  Generally, you are given a break on your federal taxes for the property taxes you paid.

The other taxes are negligible.  If you're paying 1/2 your income in taxes, you are doing something wrong.

[Soul Crusher]

You only pay 1/2 of the payroll tax and your hirelilngs pay the other half.  If you pay the nominal rate for income tax then you need a new accoutant b/c you're getting screwed.  Generally, you are given a break on your federal taxes for the property taxes you paid.

The other taxes are negligible.  If you're paying 1/2 your income in taxes, you are doing something wrong.

Nothing is negligible.  $10.00 a month on cell phone bill.  $0.45 gasoline tax on every gallon.  8.25% sales tax on almost everything I purchase.

Added up on total purchases, that is not negligible. 

[Hereford]

Nothing is negligible.  $10.00 a month on cell phone bill.  $0.45 gasoline tax on every gallon.  8.25% sales tax on almost everything I purchase.

Added up on total purchases, that is not negligible. 

Add in death taxes at 55% too. The government even taxes you to die.

[Decker]

Add in death taxes at 55% too. The government even taxes you to die.

No they don't. 

[Soul Crusher]

No they don't. 

When the Bush tax cuts expire the death tax comes back.  it is not in effect in 2010 but comes back in 2011. 

[Hereford]

When the Bush tax cuts expire the death tax comes back.  it is not in effect in 2010 but comes back in 2011. 

At what? Oh yea, 55%....


The Dems are gonna LOVE that opportunity to tear down working America a little more....

[Soul Crusher]

At what? Oh yea, 55%....


The Dems are gonna LOVE that opportunity to tear down working America a little more....

Decker and other commies love the fact that we arte taxed to death and still rail on "evil corporations" as if they are picking my pocket of 50% of my income like government does.

At least with corporations, I can pick which one will rob me, eith the government, we have a collective gun to our heads and are told to psy up for all sorts of garbage.

[Hereford]

I think they should put a lot of these social programs that exist up to a vote.

If you vote 'yes', then you are taxed for their costs.

If you vote 'no', you are excused from the forced taxation for them.

I am thinking that a lot of these socialist pundits like our friend Mr. Decker will change their tune when they are required to foot the bill instead of decent working people being economically skinned.

What say you?

[Decker]

At what? Oh yea, 55%....


The Dems are gonna LOVE that opportunity to tear down working America a little more....

Do you have any idea who pays the estate tax?

I assure you, it is not working America.

[Hereford]

I PAY the F*ING estate tax!

So you thing family farmers and small business owners are not 'working America'?

[Decker]

Decker and other commies love the fact that we arte taxed to death and still rail on "evil corporations" as if they are picking my pocket of 50% of my income like government does.

At least with corporations, I can pick which one will rob me, eith the government, we have a collective gun to our heads and are told to psy up for all sorts of garbage.

With your hyperbole and grotesque exaggerations, it is very easy for me see you as some sort of flaming trial lawyer.

50%, commies, tax collection by gun...is there no rightwing crap that you don't take to heart?

[Decker]

I PAY the F*ING estate tax!

So you thing family farmers and small business owners are not 'working America'?

There is no estate tax presently.

I think somebody might be perpetrating a fraud against you.

No wonder you hate the tax collector...it's really some grifter playing you.

[Hereford]

Epic avoiding answering the question.

How utter lawyerly of you.

There will be in 2011. And it will be 55% or even greater.

[Decker]

Epic avoiding answering the question.

How utter lawyerly of you.

There will be in 2011. And it will be 55% or even greater.

You said that you pay the fucking estate tax.  I pointed out that you don't.

Since you pay the estate tax, someone must have died and bequeathed you over 3.5 million dollars (anything less is exempted).

Congratulations on your fortune.

And the tax is not 55%.

[Soul Crusher]

With your hyperbole and grotesque exaggerations, it is very easy for me see you as some sort of flaming trial lawyer.

50%, commies, tax collection by gun...is there no rightwing crap that you don't take to heart?

In 2011, how much will the estate tax be?

[Hereford]

You said that you pay the fucking estate tax.  I pointed out that you don't.

Since you pay the estate tax, someone must have died and bequeathed you over 3.5 million dollars (anything less is exempted).

Congratulations on your fortune.

And the tax is not 55%.

Do you know how easy it is to get over 3.5 million? Do you own any property? 3.5 mil can be just having a house in San Fransisco with a moderate sized back yard and nice landscaping...

The tax is back to 55% once the Bush tax plan sunsets in 2010.

[Decker]

In 2011, how much will the estate tax be?

No I don't.  Why?  B/c there are congressmen that will likely change it.  I've heard proposals where the first 20million of the estate will be exempt from the tax.

[Decker]

Do you know how easy it is to get over 3.5 million? Do you own any property? 3.5 mil can be just having a house in San Fransisco with a moderate sized back yard and nice landscaping...

The tax is back to 55% once the Bush tax plan sunsets in 2010.

The tax that you paid back in 2006 was not 55%.  You ought to know that if you paid it.

Yeah, you're right.  3,500,000 dollars just doesn't go as far as it used to.  In fact, I just dropped a million and a half dollars buying a cup of coffee this morning(I'm a generous tipper).

[Soul Crusher]

The tax that you paid back in 2006 was not 55%.  You ought to know that if you paid it.

Yeah, you're right.  3,500,000 dollars just doesn't go as far as it used to.  In fact, I just dropped a million and a half dollars buying a cup of coffee this morning(I'm a generous tipper).

Its not your money.  Someone worked hard and busted their rear end for that money to pass it along to their heirs, not to Decker and his pet social engineering projects.