original pic of yates

[England_1]

who looked better?

Oh yeah, Padilla.

Obviously you're the type that doesnt disagree with placings and if someone wins they must be the best.

Oh really? I think Mike Arvilla would argue with you on that, especially since he was there and said Yates should have won 

[sculpture]

Oh really? I think Mike Arvilla would argue with you on that, especially since he was there and said Yates should have won 

Well if mike says so i guess he must be right

Ignore mike for a second (if you can) and try and come up with your own opinion.

Moron

[sculpture]

Generally, the competitor who is awarded the title, in doing so, is deemed to be the best.  You act as if this is an alien concept. 

Anyone can arbitrarily throw out names of those bodybuilders they favor without providing a basis for that opinion.  Whether you agree with, or even comprehend IFBB judging guidelines, that is the basis by which contests are determined.  The champion is the competitor who best meets this criteria.  Not some capricious and baseless, "I just think he looks better", mentality.  If that were the preferred method of judging, the subjectivity of the sport would be exponentially greater than what it already is. 
 
I find it extremely ironic, that in several instances where it is pointed out that an injustice occurred in someone not defeating Yates, it often involves a bodybuilder who failed to defeat most anyone else.  I greatly admire Danny Padilla's physique, but his defeating Dorian was not within the realm of possibility.

Being completely applicable of course to say mr olympia 1981?

[sculpture]

Padilla looked the best to YOU doesn't man he was either , not according to how contests are judged . the judging criteria is ONLY correct when you agree with it or when the guy you think looks better wins , great logic.

The more important question is who met the judging criteria better?

ND you are truly a sad man. Defending judging criteria when it suits you, ie, in dorians victories.

This same criteria allowed the bane of your existence, ronnie, win the most ifbb titles in history.

Does padilla not look better to YOU?

[Mr.1derful]

Well if mike says so i guess he must be right

Ignore mike for a second (if you can) and try and come up with your own opinion.

Moron

A solitary photo from a contest is the sole basis for your theory as to who should have won, but the impression of a person who attended the actual contest is to be given no credence at all?  Your only rebuttal is to call a person a moron? That is the online equivalent of stomping your feet because an alternate opinion is expressed, and you lack the capacity to intelligently defend yours.

[England_1]

ND you are truly a sad man. Defending judging criteria when it suits you, ie, in dorians victories.

This same criteria allowed the bane of your existence, ronnie, win the most ifbb titles in history.

Does padilla not look better to YOU?

Padilla had a lackluster physique. When anyone stood next to Dorian they disappeared. Padilla was also a midget.

[sculpture]

A solitary photo from a contest is the sole basis for your theory as to who should have won, but the impression of a person who attended the actual contest is to be given no credence at all?  Your only rebuttal is to call a person a moron? That is the online equivalent of stomping your feet because an alternate opinion is expressed, and you lack the capacity to intelligently defend yours.

Actually its not. I ve seen countless other photos from the contest. Missed that one didn't you, before you lept into another "1derfully" written but misguided response.

And yes i'm calling him a moron and asking him to come up with his own opinion.

[pumpster]

Generally, the competitor who is awarded the title, in doing so, is deemed to be the best.  You act as if this is an alien concept. 

Terrible sentence structure coupled with extreme naivete re: IFBB politics and inordinate (blind) faith in contest "placings". Even your befuddled hero ND can't explain Columbu over Padilla in '81 using judging critiera.

[Mr.1derful]

Actually its not. I ve seen countless other photos from the contest. Missed that one didn't you, before you lept into another "1derfully" written but misguided response.

And yes i'm calling him a moron and asking him to come up with his own opinion.

But you provided but "one" photo as the lone basis for your opinion.  By your way of thinking, we should just assume that other such photos exist and that they automatically reinforce your argument.    To you, that actually makes sense, I guess. 

[Mr.1derful]

Terrible sentence structure coupled with extreme naivete re: IFBB politics and inordinate (blind) faith in contest "placings". Even your befuddled hero ND can't explain Columbu over Padilla in '81 using judging critiera.

In failing to discredit Dorian's victories, you have now traveled back in time to 1981 to try better make your case? LMFAO

[sculpture]

But you provided but "one" photo as the lone basis for your opinion.  By your way of thinking, we should just assume that other such photos exist and that they automatically reinforce your argument.    Amazingly, I actually think you truly believe that makes sense.  

I didn't "provide" anything. I merely spoke in reference to.

Your continuing assumptions are astounding.

[sculpture]

In failing to discredit Dorian's victories, you have now traveled back in time to 1981 to try better make your case? LMFAO

No he's simply challenging your "criteria" argument and winning.

[Mr.1derful]

I didn't "provide" anything. I merely spoke in reference to.

Your continuing assumptions are astounding.

Split hairs if you wish, it refutes nothing I have said.  

[sculpture]

Split hairs if you wish, it refutes nothing I have said.  

Yes it does.

You accused me of using one photo to base my opinions on who should have won that contest, never once considering i'd actually seen heaps more from the same contest.

[Mr.1derful]

No he's simply challenging your "criteria" argument and winning.

I have yet to receive word of any of Dorian's Sandow trophies having been redistributed to any other bodybuilders.  He remains a six time champion with an 88% professional winning percentage.  I fail to see how you, or any of the other partisans have won anything.  

[sculpture]

I have yet to receive word of any of Dorian's Sandow trophies having been redistributed to any other bodybuilders.  He remains a six time champion with an 88% professional winning percentage.  I fail to see how you, or any of the other partisans have won anything.  

Its a shame they haven't because dorian would be left with 2 perhaps 3 at best and this board wouldn't have to suffer the indignity of your presence.

[Mr.1derful]

Yes it does.

You accused me of using one photo to base my opinions on who should have won that contest, never once considering i'd actually seen heaps more from the same contest.

Anyone can have an opinion and is perfectly entitled to one.  However, if you venture to convince others and reinforce your position, imaginary photographic evidence is hardly substantive.  Yet, you summarily dismiss the position of an individual that attended the contest.  You are a hypocrite, who wants everyone to agree with his line of thinking, but is totally inept at providing a sound basis for a position.  Instead, you opt for ad hominem attacks; a testimony to your partisan nature.

[sculpture]

Anyone can have an opinion and is perfectly entitled to one.  However, if you venture to convince others and reinforce your position, imaginary photographic evidence is hardly substantive.  Yet, you summarily dismiss the position of an individual that attended the contest.  You are a hypocrite, who wants everyone to agree with his line of thinking, but is totally inept at providing a sound basis for a position.  Instead, you opt for ad hominem attacks; a testimony to your partisan nature.

No i didn't.

I asked the original poster for HIS opinion not Mikes.

Which i'm still waiting for.

[England_1]

No i didn't.

I asked the original poster for HIS opinion not Mikes.

Which i'm still waiting for.

There isn't enough evidence out there to make a decision either way. I've seen maybe 2 or 3 pictures from that contest posted here. I've always used the opinion of those that attended a show as support for my decision. That first person perspective holds far more credence than anyone sitting at home looking at pictures. If you have the pictures and/or video, post it. Dorian's back wasn't up to Momo's which is why he was defeated. I'm awaiting your explanation as to why Padilla lost to Momo as well. The fact of the matter is that Padilla lacked thickness and simply, as all other small/short BBs, lacked any sense of impressiveness standing next to a Dorian type BB.

[pumpster]

Yes it does.

You accused me of using one photo to base my opinions on who should have won that contest, never once considering i'd actually seen heaps more from the same contest.

Stop it, hammering common sense in to this little twit at every turn's hilarious LOL

[pumpster]

There isn't enough evidence out there to make a decision either way. I've seen maybe 2 or 3 pictures from that contest posted here. I've always used the opinion of those that attended a show as support for my decision. That first person perspective holds far more credence than anyone sitting at home looking at pictures. If you have the pictures and/or video, post it. Dorian's back wasn't up to Momo's which is why he was defeated. I'm awaiting your explanation as to why Padilla lost to Momo as well. The fact of the matter is that Padilla lacked thickness and simply, as all other small/short BBs, lacked any sense of impressiveness standing next to a Dorian type BB.

Bottom line the existing evidence has the keg getting squarely pounded despite suspect contest "decisions" that some naifs actually believe in.

Serge Nubret, who would know better than anyone else about politics, says same here on getbig-Weider's always had his favored and protected guys. Yates was one of em, both against these guys and later in the Olympia.

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND you are truly a sad man. Defending judging criteria when it suits you, ie, in dorians victories.

This same criteria allowed the bane of your existence, ronnie, win the most ifbb titles in history.

Does padilla not look better to YOU?

You're insinuating I'm only in favor of the criteria when it suits me and when do I not favor the criteria? and Ronnie isn't ' the bane of my existence ' that's your interpretation you want him to be the bane of my existence

and does Padilla look better to me? in what context? how contests or judged or from a personal perspective? I would rather look like Danny than Dorian but according to how contests are judged Dorian beats Danny with ease

[pumpster]

You're insinuating I'm only in favor of the criteria when it suits me and when do I not favor the criteria? and Ronnie isn't ' the bane of my existence ' that's your interpretation you want him to be the bane of my existence

and does Padilla look better to me? in what context? how contests or judged or from a personal perspective? I would rather look like Danny than Dorian but according to how contests are judged Dorian beats Danny with ease

THIS TOOL HAS A LENGTHY THREAD ON IRON AGE, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW COLUMBU COULD'VE BEATEN PADILLA IN A "FAIR" SHOW USING HIS GREAT JUDGING CRITERIA HAHAHAAHAHA

[Mars]

[NarcissisticDeity]

A solitary photo from a contest is the sole basis for your theory as to who should have won, but the impression of a person who attended the actual contest is to be given no credence at all?  Your only rebuttal is to call a person a moron? That is the online equivalent of stomping your feet because an alternate opinion is expressed, and you lack the capacity to intelligently defend yours.

Great post very true , one picture doesn't win a contest , one pose doesn't either , basing whole opinions on a single moment of a contest is asinine and ignorant