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$73 an Hour: Adding It Up
« on: December 10, 2008, 07:49:12 AM »
$73 an Hour: Adding It Up
By DAVID LEONHARDT

Seventy-three dollars an hour.

That figure — repeated on television and in newspapers as the average pay of a Big Three autoworker — has become a big symbol in the fight over what should happen to Detroit. To critics, it is a neat encapsulation of everything that’s wrong with bloated car companies and their entitled workers.

To the Big Three’s defenders, meanwhile, the number has become proof positive that autoworkers are being unfairly blamed for Detroit’s decline. “We’ve heard this garbage about 73 bucks an hour,” Senator Bob Casey, a Pennsylvania Democrat, said last week. “It’s a total lie. I think some people have perpetrated that deliberately, in a calculated way, to mislead the American people about what we’re doing here.”

So what is the reality behind the number? Detroit’s defenders are right that the number is basically wrong. Big Three workers aren’t making anything close to $73 an hour (which would translate to about $150,000 a year).

But the defenders are not right to suggest, as many have, that Detroit has solved its wage problem. General Motors, Ford and Chrysler workers make significantly more than their counterparts at Toyota, Honda and Nissan plants in this country. Last year’s concessions by the United Automobile Workers, which mostly apply to new workers, will not change that anytime soon.

And yet the main problem facing Detroit, overwhelmingly, is not the pay gap. That’s unfortunate because fixing the pay gap would be fairly straightforward.

The real problem is that many people don’t want to buy the cars that Detroit makes. Fixing this problem won’t be nearly so easy.


The success of any bailout is probably going to come down to Washington’s willingness to acknowledge as much.

Let’s start with the numbers. The $73-an-hour figure comes from the car companies themselves. As part of their public relations strategy during labor negotiations, the companies put out various charts and reports explaining what they paid their workers. Wall Street analysts have done similar calculations.

The calculations show, accurately enough, that for every hour a unionized worker puts in, one of the Big Three really does spend about $73 on compensation. So the number isn’t made up. But it is the combination of three very different categories.

The first category is simply cash payments, which is what many people imagine when they hear the word “compensation.” It includes wages, overtime and vacation pay, and comes to about $40 an hour. (The numbers vary a bit by company and year. That’s why $73 is sometimes $70 or $77.)

The second category is fringe benefits, like health insurance and pensions. These benefits have real value, even if they don’t show up on a weekly paycheck. At the Big Three, the benefits amount to $15 an hour or so.

Add the two together, and you get the true hourly compensation of Detroit’s unionized work force: roughly $55 an hour. It’s a little more than twice as much as the typical American worker makes, benefits included. The more relevant comparison, though, is probably to Honda’s or Toyota’s (nonunionized) workers. They make in the neighborhood of $45 an hour, and most of the gap stems from their less generous benefits.

The third category is the cost of benefits for retirees. These are essentially fixed costs that have no relation to how many vehicles the companies make. But they are a real cost, so the companies add them into the mix — dividing those costs by the total hours of the current work force, to get a figure of $15 or so — and end up at roughly $70 an hour.

The crucial point, though, is this $15 isn’t mainly a reflection of how generous the retiree benefits are. It’s a reflection of how many retirees there are. The Big Three built up a huge pool of retirees long before Honda and Toyota opened plants in this country. You’d never know this by looking at the graphic behind Wolf Blitzer on CNN last week, contrasting the “$73/hour” pay of Detroit’s workers with the “up to $48/hour” pay of workers at the Japanese companies.

These retirees make up arguably Detroit’s best case for a bailout. The Big Three and the U.A.W. had the bad luck of helping to create the middle class in a country where individual companies — as opposed to all of society — must shoulder much of the burden of paying for retirement.

So here’s a little experiment. Imagine that a Congressional bailout effectively pays for $10 an hour of the retiree benefits. That’s roughly the gap between the Big Three’s retiree costs and those of the Japanese-owned plants in this country. Imagine, also, that the U.A.W. agrees to reduce pay and benefits for current workers to $45 an hour — the same as at Honda and Toyota.

Do you know how much that would reduce the cost of producing a Big Three vehicle? Only about $800.

That’s because labor costs, for all the attention they have been receiving, make up only about 10 percent of the cost of making a vehicle. An extra $800 per vehicle would certainly help Detroit, but the Big Three already often sell their cars for about $2,500 less than equivalent cars from Japanese companies, analysts at the International Motor Vehicle Program say. Even so, many Americans no longer want to own the cars being made by General Motors, Ford and Chrysler.

My own family’s story isn’t especially unusual. For decades, my grandparents bought American and only American. In their apartment, they still have a framed photo of the 1933 Oldsmobile that my grandfather’s family drove when he was a teenager. In the photo, his father stands proudly on the car’s running board.

By the 1970s, though, my grandfather became so sick of the problems with his American cars that he vowed never to buy another one. He hasn’t.

Detroit’s defenders, from top executives on down, insist that they have finally learned their lesson. They say a comeback is just around the corner. But they said the same thing at the start of this decade — and the start of the last one and the one before that. All the while, their market share has kept on falling.

There is good reason to keep G.M. and Chrysler from collapsing in 2009. (Ford is in slightly better shape.) The economy is in the worst recession in a generation. You can think of the Detroit bailout as a relatively cost-effective form of stimulus. It’s often cheaper to keep workers in their jobs than to create new jobs.

But Congress and the Obama administration shouldn’t fool themselves into thinking that they can preserve the Big Three in anything like their current form. Very soon, they need to shrink to a size that reflects the American public’s collective judgment about the quality of their products.

It’s a sad story, in many ways. But it can’t really be undone at this point. If we had wanted to preserve the Big Three, we would have bought more of their cars.
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Re: $73 an Hour: Adding It Up
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2008, 07:58:22 AM »
That's a good find.

Maybe it will put to bed this crapola about unions killing the industry.

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Re: $73 an Hour: Adding It Up
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2008, 08:04:38 AM »
That's a good find.

Maybe it will put to bed this crapola about unions killing the industry.

This is a very dishonest article.  It completely avoids and ignores the legacy costs, pension, costs, health care costs, and other related costs that bring the total cost to $73.oo per hour.

Just because a guy does not see 73.00 per hour in his pay does not mean it does not cost the employer that much to have them there.

Additionally, the companies are paying hundreds of thousands of people who are not working.

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Re: $73 an Hour: Adding It Up
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2008, 08:16:26 AM »
This is a very dishonest article.  It completely avoids and ignores the legacy costs, pension, costs, health care costs, and other related costs that bring the total cost to $73.oo per hour.

Just because a guy does not see 73.00 per hour in his pay does not mean it does not cost the employer that much to have them there.

Additionally, the companies are paying hundreds of thousands of people who are not working.
CLEARLY you did not read the article, moron.  ::) ::) ::)
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Re: $73 an Hour: Adding It Up
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2008, 08:19:15 AM »
CLEARLY you did not read the article, moron.  ::) ::) ::)

I did read it.  However it does not make the point that 73.00 is what it costs the company.

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Re: $73 an Hour: Adding It Up
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2008, 08:23:43 AM »
I did read it.  However it does not make the point that 73.00 is what it costs the company.
Yes it does.

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Re: $73 an Hour: Adding It Up
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2008, 08:34:41 AM »
Yes it does.

The bottom line is that is what it costs the company, regardless of whether the worker sees it or not.

The problem is not the workers themselves, it is the enormous legacy costs that have to be paid. 

Actually, the workers themselves on the line currently are suffering as a result of theor work having to produc e enough profit to carry the costs of not only themselves, the hundreds of thousands of retirees not working or producing, but costing the company billions a year.

This is not a viable plan.     


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Re: $73 an Hour: Adding It Up
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2008, 08:55:48 AM »
How much of what they do is really worth even 15 bucks an hour?

Take that $ that is wasted on union pork contracts and make cars that are comporable in quality with Mercedes and BMW.

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« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2008, 09:03:53 AM »
The bottom line is that is what it costs the company, regardless of whether the worker sees it or not.

The problem is not the workers themselves, it is the enormous legacy costs that have to be paid. 

Actually, the workers themselves on the line currently are suffering as a result of theor work having to produc e enough profit to carry the costs of not only themselves, the hundreds of thousands of retirees not working or producing, but costing the company billions a year.

This is not a viable plan.     
Bullshit.  The bottom line is that those workers, the producers, the manufacturers earned their benefits.  I don't see you complaing about the 100 billion dollars of profit these legacy workers generated.  I see you complaining about their bargained for earned benefits.  Where did those profits go--besides into the pockets of executives or paid as dividends.

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Re: $73 an Hour: Adding It Up
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2008, 09:04:31 AM »
How much of what they do is really worth even 15 bucks an hour?

Take that $ that is wasted on union pork contracts and make cars that are comporable in quality with Mercedes and BMW.
Mercedes are garbage cars.  I wouldn't take one for free.

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Re: $73 an Hour: Adding It Up
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2008, 09:07:49 AM »
I think this is a good quote:

The Republicans’ unbridled contempt for workers revealed an underlying agenda: the humiliation and degradation of labor. We weren’t criticized for incompetence. We were maligned for earning a good living. We were vilified for violating their fundamental belief that we aren’t equal as a class.

When it comes to wages there is no bottom to the bottom line. They won’t be satisfied until we are all on our knees and begging to work for food. In their eyes unequal status under the law doesn’t stop with immigrants, all workers should be at the whim and mercy of their employers, all workers should be underclass.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/12/9/221834/456/957/671298

The class war was waged and the elites won hands down.

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Re: $73 an Hour: Adding It Up
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2008, 09:49:06 AM »
Yes,  the unions/middle class are the problem.

Let's eliminate them immediately!

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Re: $73 an Hour: Adding It Up
« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2008, 11:03:26 AM »
Mercedes are garbage cars.  I wouldn't take one for free.

You'd take a Cobalt instead.... because it's "Union Made", right?

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Re: $73 an Hour: Adding It Up
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2008, 11:07:58 AM »
Mercedes are garbage cars.  I wouldn't take one for free.

?   My experience is great so far

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Re: $73 an Hour: Adding It Up
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2008, 11:32:26 AM »
Mercedes are garbage cars.  I wouldn't take one for free.

Ouch

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Re: $73 an Hour: Adding It Up
« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2008, 02:48:22 PM »
Mercedes are garbage cars.  I wouldn't take one for free.

I have a BMW and it is the best car I have ever owned bar none.

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Re: $73 an Hour: Adding It Up
« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2008, 02:56:01 PM »
I'd take anything before the Chrysler merger and after.

I love the old Benz's. The new ones are shaping up to be great too!

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Re: $73 an Hour: Adding It Up
« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2008, 02:59:45 PM »
I'd take anything before the Chrysler merger and after.

I love the old Benz's. The new ones are shaping up to be great too!

Under the commie liberals in this country, we should all be happy to pay 50k for a garbage car produced by an ineffcient and corrupt and antiquated Union led by a failed executive leadership.

NO THANKS!!!!

Take your overpriced garbage car and shove it!

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« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2008, 03:01:54 PM »
I have a BMW and it is the best car I have ever owned bar none.
I have one too. Agreed, best car ever.


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Re: $73 an Hour: Adding It Up
« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2008, 03:11:41 PM »
I have a BMW and it is the best car I have ever owned bar none.
Conrgratulations on your purchase.  You stand out from the crowd b/c of it.

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Re: $73 an Hour: Adding It Up
« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2008, 04:03:06 PM »
Conrgratulations on your purchase.  You stand out from the crowd b/c of it.

I dont need congrats.  Im pointing out that as a consumer I am not forced to purchase overpriced crap from the us auto'.s

if they want my business, let them produce an eqaully good product at similar cost.

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Re: $73 an Hour: Adding It Up
« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2008, 04:09:08 PM »
Under the commie liberals in this country, we should all be happy to pay 50k for a garbage car produced by an ineffcient and corrupt and antiquated Union led by a failed executive leadership.

NO THANKS!!!!

Take your overpriced garbage car and shove it!

Now that's an oxymoron if I ever saw one.

You can't be a communist and a liberal at the same time.

Those two ideologies do not mix, they are totally different.

Any political scientist will tell you that, no matter what party affiliation he/she happens to have.
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Re: $73 an Hour: Adding It Up
« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2008, 06:15:35 PM »
I have a ford escort that has 1.1 million miles on it regular serviced intervals at all ford dealerships.

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Re: $73 an Hour: Adding It Up
« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2008, 06:51:26 PM »
I have a ford escort that has 1.1 million miles on it regular serviced intervals at all ford dealerships.

You can keep anything on the road forever if you want to keep dumping money into it constantly....

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Re: $73 an Hour: Adding It Up
« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2008, 08:02:40 PM »
The work some of the regular autoworkers do isn't worth more than $20 an hour IMO.  Most of the jobs are really unskilled labor and have little education.
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