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$14B auto bailout dies in Senate
« on: December 11, 2008, 08:26:43 PM »
THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE.

WASHINGTON (AP) — A $14 billion emergency bailout for U.S. automakers collapsed in the Senate Thursday night after the United Auto Workers refused to accede to Republican demands for swift wage cuts.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said he was "terribly disappointed" about the demise of an emerging bipartisan deal to rescue Detroit's Big Three.

He spoke shortly after Republicans left a closed-door meeting where they balked at giving the automakers federal aid unless their powerful union agreed to slash wages next year to bring them into line with those of Japanese carmakers.

Republican Sen. George V. Voinovich of Ohio, a strong bailout supporter, said the UAW was willing to make the cuts — but not until 2011.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081212/ap_on_go_co/congress_autos

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Re: $14B auto bailout dies in Senate
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2008, 08:31:36 PM »
how did obama vote?

how did the dems vs repubs vote?

how did mccain vote?

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Re: $14B auto bailout dies in Senate
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2008, 08:38:29 PM »
Anyone think trading will be halted tomarrow?

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Re: $14B auto bailout dies in Senate
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2008, 09:09:50 PM »
Change has to happen.  The pyramid scheme called "unbridled capitialism" is collapsing.

I say no to the bailout.   It'll hurt but it will be a lesson for future corrupt CEO'S.


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Re: $14B auto bailout dies in Senate
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2008, 09:14:52 PM »
Bank bailout funds could be used for Detroit.

Sources: White House warning GOP senators Wall Street bailout funds might be used for automakers now that auto loan package has failed.

The proposal to loan $14 billion to Detroit's struggling automakers collapsed late Thursday night but the Big Three may get some money anyway.

Bush officials warned wavering GOP senators that if they didn't support the legislation, the White House will likely be forced to tap the Wall Street bailout to lend them money, two Republican congressional officials told CNN earlier.

This is a noteworthy change since the White House and Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson have previously refused to use bank bailout funds to help General Motors (GM, Fortune 500), Ford Motor (F, Fortune 500) and Chrysler LLC.


The sources asked not to be named because of the sensitivities of private conversations.


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Re: $14B auto bailout dies in Senate
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2008, 09:22:20 PM »
Ha ha.  What a fantastic chess game this is.

Dude, I'd laugh too if it wasnt so, pathetic.

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Re: $14B auto bailout dies in Senate
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2008, 09:24:46 PM »
A deal on $14 billion in aid to Detroit's Big Three automakers fell apart Thursday night in the Senate despite intense negotiations on Capitol Hill between lawmakers, union officials and representatives from the three companies.

The bailout died after failing 52-35 on a Senate procedural vote.

Earlier in the evening, the talks appeared to have produced a breakthrough, with Democratic leaders "hopeful" that an agreement had been reached that would be acceptable to Senate Republicans, who have resisted the aid package. But Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid came back later to report the effort had failed, adding he was "terribly disappointed."

The White House said it was evaluating its options in light of the breakdown.

"It's disappointing that Congress failed to act tonight," a White House statement said. "We think the legislation we negotiated provided an opportunity to use funds already appropriated for automakers and presented the best chance to avoid a disorderly bankruptcy while ensuring taxpayer funds only go to firms whose stakeholders were prepared to make difficult decisions to become viable."

Republicans, after reviewing the latest version of the proposal in a closed-door meeting, balked at giving automaker federal aid unless their powerful union agreed to slash wages next year to bring them into line with those of Japanese carmakers.

Republican Sen. George V. Voinovich of Ohio, a strong bailout supporter, said the United Auto Workers was willing to make the cuts, but not until 2011.

The collapse of the latest negotiations came as the Wall Street Journal reported Thursday evening that General Motors had hired lawyers and bankers to consider whether to file for bankruptcy, a prospect made more likely by the outcome of Thursday's talks.

A procedural vote is scheduled Thursday night but it is expected to be little more than a formality.

"We just don't have the votes," Reid said. "I dread looking at Wall Street in the morning."

Democratic leaders and the White House made final pleas for the bill's passage on Thursday, but the two sides in the Senate failed to forge a compromise.

The House approved the plan late Wednesday on a vote of 237-170. It would infuse money within days into cash-starved General Motors Corp. and Chrysler LLC. Ford Motor Co., which has said it has enough cash to make it through 2009, would also be eligible for federal aid.

The plan would also create a government "car czar," to be named by President Bush to dole out loans, with the power to force the carmaker into bankruptcy next spring if they didn't cut quick deals with labor unions, creditors and others to restructure their businesses and become viable.

But the legislation has met strong opposition from many Republicans -- including Minority Leader Mitch McConnell -- who claim it does not require enough accountability from auto makers. The Republicans planned to filibuster the legislation to prevent its passage in the U.S. Senate.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/11/auto-bailout-collapses-senate-despite-intense-negotiations/

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Re: $14B auto bailout dies in Senate
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2008, 09:27:22 PM »
It is a no brainer to lower wages.  Say they go bankrupt.  There is still a market out there for US cars so a new company will be formed and then they would take over the plants and hire a new bunch that will most likely be the old big 3 employees anyway.

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Re: $14B auto bailout dies in Senate
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2008, 09:37:35 PM »
It is a no brainer to lower wages.  Say they go bankrupt.  There is still a market out there for US cars so a new company will be formed and then they would take over the plants and hire a new bunch that will most likely be the old big 3 employees anyway.

I refuse to by an american made car made by union workers.

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Re: $14B auto bailout dies in Senate
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2008, 09:59:31 PM »
I refuse to by an american made car made by union workers.

I am with you on that one Coach.

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Re: $14B auto bailout dies in Senate
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2008, 01:11:02 AM »
Bush is a moron.  We just witnessed how the U.S. Government should work.  The Republican senators listened to the people.  Most people were against an auto bailout.  So Bush is once again going to subvert democracy and do whatever the fuck he wants.  What a democratic president he is. ::)

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Re: $14B auto bailout dies in Senate
« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2008, 06:48:31 AM »
I am with you on that one Coach.

Its not that its Union made cars, its that they are not reliable and dont retain any value compared to foregin cars like Toyota or Honda.

These stupid companies dont realize that the consumers are not buying their lies anymore.   

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Re: $14B auto bailout dies in Senate
« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2008, 07:41:04 AM »
Bush is a moron.  We just witnessed how the U.S. Government should work.  The Republican senators listened to the people.  Most people were against an auto bailout.  So Bush is once again going to subvert democracy and do whatever the fuck he wants.  What a democratic president he is. ::)

 Well said.

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Re: $14B auto bailout dies in Senate
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2008, 08:09:47 AM »
Well, well. Wouldn't you know it, there's exacly 15 billion dollars left of the first 350 billion dollar TARP program that could now be used for the auto bailout. Isn't that convieniant? All this bullshit of a bailout even after the Treasury said the money shouldnt be used for such things and now they are even changing their tune. These people think we can't connect the dots, what a scam.

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Re: $14B auto bailout dies in Senate
« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2008, 08:32:11 AM »
Bush is a moron.  We just witnessed how the U.S. Government should work.  The Republican senators listened to the people.  Most people were against an auto bailout.  So Bush is once again going to subvert democracy and do whatever the fuck he wants.  What a democratic president he is. ::)
and what makes you think the general person knows whats good for their country

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Re: $14B auto bailout dies in Senate
« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2008, 08:34:26 AM »
and what makes you think the general person knows whats good for their country

By the people, for the people. 

Please elaborate your statement...there has been a lot of statements that are blatantly going against what this country was founded upon.

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« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2008, 08:40:37 AM »
and what makes you think the general person knows whats good for their country

Its called freedom, the freedom to succeed, or the freedom to fail.

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Re: $14B auto bailout dies in Senate
« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2008, 08:41:35 AM »
By the people, for the people. 

Please elaborate your statement...there has been a lot of statements that are blatantly going against what this country was founded upon.
Get serious..............peo ple who voted for Obama didn't even know his policies.

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Re: $14B auto bailout dies in Senate
« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2008, 08:42:56 AM »
Its called freedom, the freedom to succeed, or the freedom to fail.
Just like the idiots that protested in NYC against the bailout of AIG......They had no clue of the ramifications if that company would have failed.

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Re: $14B auto bailout dies in Senate
« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2008, 08:47:28 AM »
Just like the idiots that protested in NYC against the bailout of AIG......They had no clue of the ramifications if that company would have failed.

We are heading for a depression either way.

The Paulson doom and gloom scenario was going to happen anyway, its just that he allowed his buddies one last hurrah at the till.

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Re: $14B auto bailout dies in Senate
« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2008, 08:51:54 AM »
We are heading for a depression either way.

The Paulson doom and gloom scenario was going to happen anyway, its just that he allowed his buddies one last hurrah at the till.
Thats not confirmed, nobody knows that.............but what increased the odds was electing this socialist government

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Re: $14B auto bailout dies in Senate
« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2008, 09:04:51 AM »
Repub senators got this one right! 

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Re: $14B auto bailout dies in Senate
« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2008, 09:08:00 AM »
Repub senators got this one right! 
Thats cause the Democrates were trying to repay a favour to the Auto Union with the bailout................. .....

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Re: $14B auto bailout dies in Senate
« Reply #23 on: December 12, 2008, 09:15:13 AM »
Get serious..............peo ple who voted for Obama didn't even know his policies.

You could also say that McCain supporters are racists war mongers...for the people by the people.

Ron Paul will be right about this one too...this is just prolonging the inevitable.

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Re: $14B auto bailout dies in Senate
« Reply #24 on: December 12, 2008, 09:28:49 AM »
You could also say that McCain supporters are racists war mongers...for the people by the people.

Ron Paul will be right about this one too...this is just prolonging the inevitable.

Bailing out these companies is delaying the inevitable unless they restructure and figure out a way to sell many more cars at a profit.