High carb day, fat intake...

[Bobby]

low fat or cheat all you want?

discuss

[Get Rowdy]

Bump.

[AVBG]

If it's a cheat meal? Go ALL out. Fuck diet food.

[flexingtonsteele]

If ur not competing for a show, eat whatever the fuck u want.

[Get Rowdy]

I'm having a cheat/carb up day today.  Not competing in a show but I'm aiming for that level of bodyfat.  Thanks guys, today has been goood.

[Bobby]

It's not cheating to have a carb up day, it's necessary to speed up metabolism. However if u want to have a cheat meal this is the best day to do it.

Lately i have tried to keep carb up day realtively clean and only have 1 cheat meal, maybe 2. The rest are clean.

[Get Rowdy]

It's not cheating to have a carb up day, it's necessary to speed up metabolism. However if u want to have a cheat meal this is the best day to do it.

Lately i have tried to keep carb up day realtively clean and only have 1 cheat meal, maybe 2. The rest are clean.

I know, though my carb up day was mostly lots of doritos, hotdogs, apple pie, chocolates, and ice cream.  I may keep the next one cleaner. Thanks.

[Bobby]

I know, though my carb up day was mostly lots of doritos, hotdogs, apple pie, chocolates, and ice cream.  I may keep the next one cleaner. Thanks.

sounds like a good day

[JasonH]

I know, though my carb up day was mostly lots of doritos, hotdogs, apple pie, chocolates, and ice cream.  I may keep the next one cleaner. Thanks.

I've had quite a similar day to this too today.

[tbombz]

it depends on how easily you gain fat.

if your a guy who seemingly doesnt put on much  fat at all when over eating, then eat what you wish.. = pizze, ice cream, etc. just make sure your cheat foods arent getting in the way of your protein intake. you still need al;l your regular protein,  even though your getting super extra calories.

if your a guy who seems to put on fat easily, its probably a good idea to keeps fats to a minimal when eating carbs...whether high moderate or low carb.

[flexingtonsteele]

it depends on how easily you gain fat.

if your a guy who seemingly doesnt put on much  fat at all when over eating, then eat what you wish.. = pizze, ice cream, etc. just make sure your cheat foods arent getting in the way of your protein intake. you still need al;l your regular protein,  even though your getting super extra calories.

if your a guy who seems to put on fat easily, its probably a good idea to keeps fats to a minimal when eating carbs...whether high moderate or low carb.

not exactly true, carbs are protein sparing, so if ur eating a cheat day with lots of carbs after going low carb u dont need as much protein because of ur increased carb intake for that day.

Still eat ur protein but u dont have to go crazy with it, just get an adaquate amount.

[Bobby]

If i diet i will eat only 1g per lb of protein (from p sources) on a high day, but then all the carbs on that day brings about another 50g trace protein

On other days (diet or not) i always eat 1.5g per lb from (p sources) add in carbs and total protein intake is over 300g a day

[WhiteHulk4]

How you eat on a "carb up day" depends greatly on whether or not your following a ketogenic diet for the most part.  If you are, then you'll have much more freedom on your cheat days to eat the fun stuff like pizza, burgers, doritos, pie, and all that stuff.  The higher fat content will help keep you in ketosis even while you dramatically increase your carb intake - as long as you don't do it for too long.

That's the basis of Dr. Mauro Di Pasquale's Metabolic/Anabolic Diet.  I can attest to its effectiveness too.  On no other diet will you feel and look your best on a Monday, after eating like a filthy pig all day Saturday & Sunday...

[tbombz]

not exactly true, carbs are protein sparing, so if ur eating a cheat day with lots of carbs after going low carb u dont need as much protein because of ur increased carb intake for that day.

Still eat ur protein but u dont have to go crazy with it, just get an adaquate amount.

  carbs are barely protein sparing when at rest.  BARELY.

 at rest... even on zero carbs+zero fats... you only lose a bit of amino acids to gluconeogensis..    hormonally speaking... you automatically switch to fat when carbs arent available..

[flexingtonsteele]

  carbs are barely protein sparing when at rest.  BARELY.

 at rest... even on zero carbs+zero fats... you only lose a bit of amino acids to gluconeogensis..    hormonally speaking... you automatically switch to fat when carbs arent available..

ill just put it like this, if ur going to "refeed" ur protein requirement drops, u only need so much food/energy intake.

If u eat too much food and dont have the energy expense to use it up your going to get fat, u only need so much energy before ur body will start storing it as fat. also,  people eat way too much protein to begin with, its not a free macronutrient like most people believe.

Just look how layne norton does his clients diets, he keeps proteins at a moderate level, carbs are variable and fats are as well, but on refeed days the fat stays the same or lowers a tad, carbs increase and protein drops. Thats the perfect way to do it. Protein requirements are vastly over rated.

Thats it though, going to see the wrestler IM OUT!

[tbombz]

If u eat too much food and dont have the energy expense to use it up your going to get fat, u only need so much energy before ur body will start storing it as fat. also,  people eat way too much protein to begin with, its not a free macronutrient like most people believe.

protein is not going to put fat on the body of anyone.

eating protien stimulates protein synthesis and protein breakdown. the more you eat the more you use. eating more doesnt necessarily mean growing more, but your body will use that protein and replace old muscle cells. you will never have protein converted into fat...at times it will be converted into glucose and/or glycogen when going low carb in oder to meet basal glucose demands.

even in a different world where humans didnt use all the protein they ate, understanding the super slow digestion rate, the 2=1 ineffecient pro-glu rate of gluconeogensis, and other factors...even in that world = one would still never add any amount of fat to their body from protein.

[flexingtonsteele]

protein is not going to put fat on the body of anyone.

eating protien stimulates protein synthesis and protein breakdown. the more you eat the more you use. eating more doesnt necessarily mean growing more, but your body will use that protein and replace old muscle cells. you will never have protein converted into fat...at times it will be converted into glucose and/or glycogen when going low carb in oder to meet basal glucose demands.

even in a different world where humans didnt use all the protein they ate, understanding the super slow digestion rate, the 2=1 ineffecient pro-glu rate of gluconeogensis, and other factors...even in that world = one would still never add any amount of fat to their body from protein.

bro if u eat too much food period it'll make u fat, i dont care what it is, carbs, fat, protein, whatever. U consume too much  you'll get fat.

and protein isnt some magic nutrient, if u consume too much along with your other macros and u dont have any use for that excess energy intake, you'll get fat. thats it, plain and simple.

[WhiteHulk4]

protein is not going to put fat on the body of anyone.

eating protien stimulates protein synthesis and protein breakdown. the more you eat the more you use. eating more doesnt necessarily mean growing more, but your body will use that protein and replace old muscle cells. you will never have protein converted into fat...at times it will be converted into glucose and/or glycogen when going low carb in oder to meet basal glucose demands.

even in a different world where humans didnt use all the protein they ate, understanding the super slow digestion rate, the 2=1 ineffecient pro-glu rate of gluconeogensis, and other factors...even in that world = one would still never add any amount of fat to their body from protein.

Someone needs to tack this onto the long list of dumbass things tbombz has said...  He's in University alright...  Subway University!  He just learned how to apply the lettuce!

[tbombz]

bro if u eat too much food period it'll make u fat, i dont care what it is, carbs, fat, protein, whatever. U consume too much  you'll get fat.

and protein isnt some magic nutrient, if u consume too much along with your other macros and u dont have any use for that excess energy intake, you'll get fat. thats it, plain and simple.

dude... belive what you want... but try this.... go out an buy three pounds of tri tips...    get yourself hungry enough to eat all of it... then do it... test body fat before and 48 hours later... keep the rest of the diet the same....   you will see no differece..in fatc you might even see a slight drop..

or even try to do that for a week in a row... 7 straight days.... test the body fat again...



^^^^^^ both from EXPERIENCE(anectodal evidence) and also understanding of human metabolism


like i said...once you reahc the point where more protein wont make you grow more... more protein after that point - your body just starts breaking down old cells and rebuilding them new.. just giving you a new body... which doesnt mean moregrowth...but just more cells... which.. probablky no impaxct on body... but increasing protein = increasing thermogensis, increasing igf-1, increasing satiety, increasing leucine levels... ect

[Rimbaud]

dude... belive what you want... but try this.... go out an buy three pounds of tri tips...    get yourself hungry enough to eat all of it... then do it... test body fat before and 48 hours later... keep the rest of the diet the same....   you will see no differece..in fatc you might even see a slight drop..

or even try to do that for a week in a row... 7 straight days.... test the body fat again...



^^^^^^ both from EXPERIENCE(anectodal evidence) and also understanding of human metabolism


like i said...once you reahc the point where more protein wont make you grow more... more protein after that point - your body just starts breaking down old cells and rebuilding them new.. just giving you a new body... which doesnt mean moregrowth...but just more cells... which.. probablky no impaxct on body... but increasing protein = increasing thermogensis, increasing igf-1, increasing satiety, increasing leucine levels... ect

So what you're saying is if I eat 10,000 calories from protein everyday for several weeks I won't gain fat? All will stay the same even if I don't burn/use those calories?

[tbombz]

So what you're saying is if I eat 10,000 calories from protein everyday for several weeks I won't gain fat? All will stay the same even if I don't burn/use those calories?

first fo all... your digestive tract is only so long... it takes a VERY long time to digest alot of protein... after a certain point.. your body will be pushing out undigested protein..not because it cant digest it...bnut simply because there is no more room in the intestine... this is probably somewhere around a thousand grams of protein per day... somewhere around ther... you just wont have any room left for digestion...

and i dont say you wont use those calories ! you will !


and your misunderstanding me completely...   

im just advocating eating protein at hgih amounts.. like .. maybe 400 grams per day.. just to avoid over eating on other macros and to ensure your growing at full potential...   

any more than that is a waste of money... but if somebody was still hungry at that point... they could buy more and eat more protein without adverse effects



i invite you to try the same body fat protein eating test i outlined for flexington...


trust me...even if you dont agree with what im saying about metabolism....   the anecdotal evidence will sway you to beleif..

[Rimbaud]

first fo all... your digestive tract is only so long... it takes a VERY long time to digest alot of protein... after a certain point.. your body will be pushing out undigested protein..not because it cant digest it...bnut simply because there is no more room in the intestine... this is probably somewhere around a thousand grams of protein per day... somewhere around ther... you just wont have any room left for digestion...

and i dont say you wont use those calories ! you will !


and your misunderstanding me completely...   

im just advocating eating protein at hgih amounts.. like .. maybe 400 grams per day.. just to avoid over eating on other macros and to ensure your growing at full potential...   

any more than that is a waste of money... but if somebody was still hungry at that point... they could buy more and eat more protein without adverse effects



i invite you to try the same body fat protein eating test i outlined for flexington...


trust me...even if you dont agree with what im saying about metabolism....   the anecdotal evidence will sway you to beleif..

I think you're missing the point(s) we were trying to make.

[tbombz]

the point waw to reduce protein when eating a cheat meal.....  and i disagree...thats nonsense... your eating more so you eat less protein ? eat the same amount of protein and eat the cheat meal

[Rimbaud]

the point waw to reduce protein when eating a cheat meal.....  and i disagree...thats nonsense... your eating more so you eat less protein ? eat the same amount of protein and eat the cheat meal

It's all good but that wasn't the point I was making.

[tbombz]

oh .. my bad.. you were saying protien can make you fat ?


it just wont



true, in theory, there is a pathwya fr it to go to fat... protein - gluconeogensis - glucose - du novolipogensis - adipose

but protein goes to glucose when glucose is absent... glucose doesnt go to fat when glucose is absent and proein is going to glucose..


your body will use as much protein as you give it