AlGore and his Global Warming Farce

[IFBBwannaB]

a science major you are not.    the problem with the term global warming is that to the layman warming only means increase in temperature.  but to scientists, warming also means an increase in the total amount of energy in a system.  that energy can take many forms.

global warming is that the total amount of energy of the earth is increasing. This includes the temperature of the oceans, the air, the ice, the ground.  it also includes the energy stored in wind and ocean currents.

The Gulf of Mexico is a big body of water who's temperature changes from year to year.   when its temperature is higher, there is more energy stored in it.  Hurricanes get their energy from the ocean water they travel over.   when the Gulf of Mexico's water is warmer, it can create larger category hurricanes.   but then creating larger hurricanes cools the water.  Energy is transferred from the water to the storm.  the total energy in the system didn't change.  it just changed forms.

Now the earth does receive energy from an outside source, the sun.  It also receives energy from the leftover heat from the core.   this energy is stored in the oceans and the atmosphere.   But energy is also radiated out into space, mostly in the form of infrared heat.   as long as the amount coming in from the sun, plus the amount coming up from the core, is equal to the amount radiated into space, then the total amount of energy in the system remains the same and temps remain stable.   the problem is when the amount coming into the system is not equal to the amount leaving the system.

too much water vapor in the air, and you get extra clouds reflecting the sunlight back into space, so less energy reaches the ground.    too much greenhouse gasses, such as C02, sunlight is allowed in, but infrared light (heat) is not allowed out, and the amount of energy in the system increases.

too much energy in the system means more violent storms and rising sea levels.

then there is frozen methane in the permafrost and under shallow seas such as off the coast of Florida.   right now all that methane is trapped.  but warm the soil or the sea floor by just a degree or two, and it can all escape into the atmosphere.   Methane is a greenhouse gas.   then things can really get out of control.

Finally someone here that have a clue about physical systems.

I will ask you a very interesting question that I thought of, if tomorrow we stop using fossil fuels and all the energy will come from solar energy, what will happen? I predict the warming to continue but (to a lesser degree) due to the large change in radiation that goes in and what comes out, since a large portion of it will be absorbed by solar panels.


It will eventually reach equilibrium, something that a fossil based system cannot.

Also, massive usage of water/air based power generation facilities can disturb the natural currents of the earth since although the energy will be kept in the system it will be used in a different manner and will return mostly in the form of phonon's in a chaotic order that doesn't insure that it will recharge the specific system it depleted energy from.

BTW, I believe that global warm is happening but to a much lesser degree than the media wants us to believe, but I still support using more innovative power generation methods in order to preserve our life style and deplete political power of certain groups.

[timfogarty]

Again like i said its been done to death when someone is shown to be wrong they attack grammer LOL classic.

why dont you reply to the comment luke?

that Darwin and Mendel were members of the clergy?  so what?  they clearly weren't dogmatics

that religion and science do not oppose one another?   Some religions have no problem with scientific inquiry and scientific explanations.   Fundamentalism (of any of the Abrahamic religions) is certainly hostile to science.

[timfogarty]

Finally someone here that have a clue about physical systems.

MS Geophysics USC 1985 (my thesis is on my website)

if tomorrow we stop using fossil fuels and all the energy will come from solar energy, what will happen?

almost all of our current trouble is due to greenhouse gasses trapping heat in the lower atmosphere.  don't trap the heat and the earth can stay in balance pretty easily.   

Also, massive usage of water/air based power generation facilities can disturb the natural currents of the earth since although the energy will be kept in the system it will be used in a different manner and will return mostly in the form of phonon's in a chaotic order that doesn't insure that it will recharge the specific system it depleted energy from.

I don't know what phonons are but computer simulations have shown that windmills strategically placed in certain parts of the continent can cool the atmosphere just a bit.

[D_1000]

Even ONE DAY that is below average temperatures, anywhere in the world PROVES that global warming is a total lie. 

I think it's obvious that this trend of a few days of cooler temperatures in a portion of one country proves that the average temperature of earth is NOT increasing.

 

[garebear]

Is he really one of those creationist goof balls?  Does Coach beleive that dinosaurs and humans co-existed?  I thought only red neck hill billies still beleived that non sense.

[bigdumbbell]

It is obvious that the Coach doesn't understand the word global in global warming. It is also evident that he has problems with normal distribution.

But its aaaaaaall okay.

 

The Roach believes folklore is the truth

[tonymctones]

that Darwin and Mendel were members of the clergy?  so what?  they clearly weren't dogmatics

that religion and science do not oppose one another?   Some religions have no problem with scientific inquiry and scientific explanations.   Fundamentalism (of any of the Abrahamic religions) is certainly hostile to science.

I agree that some PPL not religion take a stance in opposition to science but that doesnt mean the religion does. I cant say darwin and mendel where dogmatics or where not but will say that even some of those who where not dogmatic and shunned in their life time still have a religious impact today and as far as I know these two where never shunned or banned by the church. I think you have a poor understanding of religion and base what you believe off what others do. I agree the fundamental approach to religion can take opposition to science however fundamentalism is not the only way to view a certain religion, in other words its the ppl not the religion. I consider myself a christian and believe in evolution and in the scientific process. To paraphrase darwin, who better to investigate the wonders of Gods creations.

[doison]

a science major you are not.    the problem with the term global warming is that to the layman warming only means increase in temperature.  but to scientists, warming also means an increase in the total amount of energy in a system.  that energy can take many forms.

global warming is that the total amount of energy of the earth is increasing. This includes the temperature of the oceans, the air, the ice, the ground.  it also includes the energy stored in wind and ocean currents.

The Gulf of Mexico is a big body of water who's temperature changes from year to year.   when its temperature is higher, there is more energy stored in it.  Hurricanes get their energy from the ocean water they travel over.   when the Gulf of Mexico's water is warmer, it can create larger category hurricanes.   but then creating larger hurricanes cools the water.  Energy is transferred from the water to the storm.  the total energy in the system didn't change.  it just changed forms.

Now the earth does receive energy from an outside source, the sun.  It also receives energy from the leftover heat from the core.   this energy is stored in the oceans and the atmosphere.   But energy is also radiated out into space, mostly in the form of infrared heat.   as long as the amount coming in from the sun, plus the amount coming up from the core, is equal to the amount radiated into space, then the total amount of energy in the system remains the same and temps remain stable.   the problem is when the amount coming into the system is not equal to the amount leaving the system.

too much water vapor in the air, and you get extra clouds reflecting the sunlight back into space, so less energy reaches the ground.    too much greenhouse gasses, such as C02, sunlight is allowed in, but infrared light (heat) is not allowed out, and the amount of energy in the system increases.

too much energy in the system means more violent storms and rising sea levels.

then there is frozen methane in the permafrost and under shallow seas such as off the coast of Florida.   right now all that methane is trapped.  but warm the soil or the sea floor by just a degree or two, and it can all escape into the atmosphere.   Methane is a greenhouse gas.   then things can really get out of control.

An understander of sarcasm you are not.  
I assumed that my extreme mockery of the mode of reasoning a religious zealot tends towards would be enough to prove my sarcasm.  I guess I'll have to end each sarcastic statement with "The preceding post was sarcastic in nature.  There is no need to type a long and involved post refuting my obviously incorrect statements."

[IFBBwannaB]

MS Geophysics USC 1985 (my thesis is on my website)

almost all of our current trouble is due to greenhouse gasses trapping heat in the lower atmosphere.  don't trap the heat and the earth can stay in balance pretty easily.   

I don't know what phonon's are but computer simulations have shown that windmills strategically placed in certain parts of the continent can cool the atmosphere just a bit.

Well phonon's are for example vibrations of a lattice. A very common occurrence is that a high energy photon is absorbed in the lattice and some of is transformed into phonon's.

This related to the subject because when you have solar panels you most definitely increase the absorbency of energy coming from the sun yet that energy is release back into the system in a form that cannot escape.

If a light ray hits the earth, some bounce back and some is absorbed but when a solar panel absorbs much more it transforms the energy into different types of energies mostly electrical/heat/friction and some of those can escape from earth thus creating an imbalanced system.

Off course that in due time the system will reach equilibrium...or we will melt off 

BTW regarding your thesis, I look at it briefly and it looks more like a computer science thesis than geophysics 
Maybe I should have read more of it

[The Coach]

MS Geophysics USC 1985 (my thesis is on my website)

almost all of our current trouble is due to greenhouse gasses trapping heat in the lower atmosphere.  don't trap the heat and the earth can stay in balance pretty easily.   

I don't know what phonons are but computer simulations have shown that windmills strategically placed in certain parts of the continent can cool the atmosphere just a bit.

Look Tim, I know your a smart well educated person and I do believe that global warming does exist (to a certain extent), that being said Gore started this or at least made it more open for his own political purposes. We all want to our part, but he's making out to be like the end of the world is coming soon within our or our kids lifetime. To show how dumb smart people are, Ted Turner stated within 30 years we're all going to be cannibles. Again, it's not effecting my life, your life or anyone elses life unless you want it too. is Al Gore an idiot? Yes.

BTW, it's 41 degrees in HB as we speak.

[timfogarty]

that being said Gore started this or at least made it more open for his own political purposes.

yes, he did it just to get that Nobel prize.

We all want to our part, but he's making out to be like the end of the world is coming soon within our or our kids lifetime.

depends on what you mean by end of the world.   Most of Florida completely under water?  Certainly a possibility.   Hurricane Katrina type storms every single year?  Possible.    World wide food production reduced by 10-30%?   Possible.    Forest die-backs.  Extinction of all coral and all the life they support.

The doomsday scenario is the frozen methane I wrote about above.   If that methane melts and enters the atmosphere, we'd have a run-away greenhouse effect that could keep the world above freezing year round for decades.  So what you say?   Well, freezing is an important part of many plant's life cycle.  (keeps some bug populations under control too)

the real problem of global warming is the massive migration of humans it will cause.  A billion people could be displaced. That will lead to famine, untold suffering, and certainly wars.

[big L dawg]

I love how some people refute global warming just by stating what the temperature is on a givin day in there area.really shows the mentality were dealing with.

[bears]

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/warming/debate/

this is a good read.  there are scientists more knowledgable than any of us on both sides of this issue.  i think the message we can take from this is that we definitely do not have all the answers yet.  i choose to listen to people like this about this issue rather than a politician.

[Soul Crusher]

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/warming/debate/

this is a good read.  there are scientists more knowledgable than any of us on both sides of this issue.  i think the message we can take from this is that we definitely do not have all the answers yet.  i choose to listen to people like this about this issue rather than a politician.

That's what I am talking about.  This is not a cut and dry issue that Shaman Gore would lead us to elive, especially considering that he wants businesses and people to be taxed additionally to deal with this.

Also, Shaman Gore stands to make $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ off this scam with his carbon credit business scheme he is running.

[Mons Venus]

I love how some people refute global warming just by stating what the temperature is on a givin day in there area.really shows the mentality were dealing with.

Great point. Coach is nothing but a personal trainer. Dime a dozen mentality.

[Decker]

Cigarette Smoking Does Not Cause Cancer.

We were told that for years by Big Tobacco.  The Tobacco executives, with their leather skin and sunken eyes, testified before Congress that Cigarette Smoking Does Not Cause Cancer.

And they were right.  The cause of cancer is due to the paranormal wave that attracts our body.
http://www.pyroenergen.com/articles/smoking.htm

There are only positions and slants and spin.  And science, well, science is just a tool.

Cancer or global warming, it doesn't matter.  Somebody has an axe to grind or a fortune to make.

Or is there such a thing as science or even, a scientific method? 

Somebody should look into this.

[shootfighter1]

Scientists are still arguing on causes of global warming and the earth's cyclic temperature changes.  Someone like Gore, who is so sure and has intertwined the issue with politics, has ignored the fact that there are credible experts on both sides.

I'm all for non-carbon based fuels but we just don't have good enough technology yet and placing excessive taxation and regulation on the US, without complete global agreement, is economic suicide.

[a_joker10]

Global warming has moved from a scientific debate to a religion.
The scientific method ensures that nothing is every 100% proven.
That is whole point of theories.
For example if everyone believed that newton was right about gravity, we would not have computers, or nuclear technology.
This happen with Aristotle and stunted science for 2000 years.
Science requires vigorous testing of all theories.

Air pollution is a real problem, but oceans rising by 7 meters or some other garbage like that won't happen.
There are many things that would mitigate global warming including the increase in plankton and water vapour in the atmosphere.
Even the IPCC doesn't support most of the outlandish claims made  on this site.
Dangerous air from smog and poisoned water from manufacturing and power production  should be our first concern and that is where most of money should go first.

For all you skeptics or people interested in some of the quirks in climate modeling you should check out Climate Audit by Steve McIntyre. http://www.climateaudit.org/
He was the guy that discovered the error in the US modeling that had 1998 as the warmest year on record, when in fact it was 1934.
Another interesting fact of the debate is that Canada and many other nations don't have national climate records before the mid 50's. So claims that world climate is the hottest on record should be tempered by the fact that we have no empirical data for the rest of the world for temperatures in the 30's.

[Soul Crusher]

Just add more taxes, that will do it.  Lets make manufacturing autos, steel, power plants, etc even more difficult???  Right???

 

[Soul Crusher]

I love how some people refute global warming just by stating what the temperature is on a givin day in there area.really shows the mentality were dealing with.

however, the flip side is that you alarmists will take a day in the middle of august when it is 90 degrees and say that is global warming.

It works both ways.

[Soul Crusher]

Cigarette Smoking Does Not Cause Cancer.

We were told that for years by Big Tobacco.  The Tobacco executives, with their leather skin and sunken eyes, testified before Congress that Cigarette Smoking Does Not Cause Cancer.

And they were right.  The cause of cancer is due to the paranormal wave that attracts our body.
http://www.pyroenergen.com/articles/smoking.htm

There are only positions and slants and spin.  And science, well, science is just a tool.

Cancer or global warming, it doesn't matter.  Somebody has an axe to grind or a fortune to make.

Or is there such a thing as science or even, a scientific method? 

Somebody should look into this.

Al Gore "has a fortune to make" as you say off of this.  He started a "carbon credit" business or whatever the hell that is. 

[big L dawg]

however, the flip side is that you alarmists will take a day in the middle of august when it is 90 degrees and say that is global warming.

It works both ways.

not sure who "you alarmists" are.is that like "you people"? or "that one"?

[garebear]

Listen up, Getbig. The Coach has done extensive research on Global Warming and his case his airtight. So unless you hold a post graduate degree in a related field, I don't want to see you in here arguing with him.

Just logout of your account, kick back and learn from The Coach. He's done the research, fellas.

[Soul Crusher]

not sure who "you alarmists" are.is that like "you people"? or "that one"?

"Alarmists" are the ones screaming that we all need to buy PFD's and run to the hills and that we are facing an apocolypse because the earth may be warming a degree or two.

The world is billions of years old and has gone through many many changes well before we even were even a spec on the planet.  It cooled and there were ice ages, it heated up, etc etc.

For anyone to believe that any alleged current "climate change" is solely a result of man driving cars and heating their homes is just delusional and ignoring the fact that the earth is billions of years old and has NEVER stayed in a constant state as far as the environment is concerned.

      

[big L dawg]

Listen up, Getbig. The Coach has done extensive research on Global Warming and his case his airtight. So unless you hold a post graduate degree in a related field, I don't want to see you in here arguing with him.

Just logout of your account, kick back and learn from The Coach. He's done the research, fellas.

agreed...he is the authority on almost any subject.not from extensive research though.it's from listening to Rush.