Politically correct is out of control. I sent an email wishing a Merry Christmas

[The Ugly]

This taxpayer dollars  argument is soooo weak. Let's go word by word through the local school curriculum and take out words, phrases and concepts that "offend" people.

Taxpayers spent $700,000 to remove a single, tiny cross from the L.A. County seal, even though California owes its HISTORY to missions. Though the ACLU wasn't concerned about the pagan goddess Pomona, she was replaced by a guaranteed not to offend native.

The taxpayer argument is weak indeed.

[The Ugly]

BTW, most of the "politically correct" bs you can blame on the liberals.

Most?

[NarcissisticDeity]

Taxpayers spent $700,000 to remove a single, tiny cross from the L.A. County seal, even though California owes its HISTORY to missions. Though the ACLU wasn't concerned about the pagan goddess Pomona, she was replaced by a guaranteed not to offend native.

The taxpayer argument is weak indeed.

It should have never been there to begin with , take the Pagen Goddess off as well , forget any and ALL endorsements of any religion , I don't want Jesus , Mary , Rah , Ganesha , Mother Nature , anyone

don't fuck with the Declaration or the Constitution and all is well  

[The Coach]

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

there it is in black & white , treaty of Tripoly the founding Father outright saying the Christian Religion had ZERO to do with the formation of the United States of America

Recently, many authors have debated whether or not the United States of America was founded as a Christian nation. I wish to provide a few historical quotes from our Founding Era that lend credence to the supposition that we indeed were founded as a Christian nation.

Granted, God is not mentioned in the Constitution, but He is mentioned in every major document leading up to the final wording of the Constitution. For example, Connecticut is still known as the "Constitution State" because its colonial constitution was used as a model for the United States Constitution. Its first words were: "For as much as it has pleased the almighty God by the wise disposition of His Divine Providence…"

Most of the fifty-five Founding Fathers who worked on the Constitution were members of orthodox Christian churches and many were even evangelical Christians. The first official act in the First Continental Congress was to open in Christian prayer, which ended in these words: "...the merits of Jesus Christ, Thy Son, our Savior. Amen". Sounds Christian to me.

Ben Franklin, at the Constitutional Convention, said: "...God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid?"

John Adams stated so eloquently during this period of time that; "The general principles on which the fathers achieved Independence were ... the general principles of Christianity ... I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that the general principles of Christianity are as etemal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God."

Later, John Quincy Adams answered the question as to why, next to Christmas, was the Fourth of July this most joyous and venerated day in the United States. He answered: "...Is it not that the Declaration of Independence first organized the social compact on the foundation of the Redeemer’s mission upon earth? That it laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity?" Sounds like the founding of a Christian nation to me. John Quincy Adams went on to say that the biggest victory won in the American Revolution was that Christian principles and civil government would be tied together In what he called an "indissoluble" bond. The Founding Fathers understood that religion was inextricably part of our nation and government. The practice of the Christian religion in our government was not only welcomed but encouraged.

The intent of the First Amendment was well understood during the founding of our country. The First Amendment was not to keep religion out of government. It was to keep Government from establishing a 'National Denomination" (like the Church of England). As early as 1799 a court declared: "By our form of government the Christian religion is the established religion; and all sects and denominations of Christians are placed on the same equal footing." Even in the letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote to the Baptists of Danbury Connecticut (from which we derive the term "separation of Church and State") he made it quite clear that the wall of separation was to insure that Government would never interfere with religious activities because religious freedom came from God, not from Government.

Even George Washington who certainly knew the intent of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, since he presided over their formation, said in his "Farewell Address": "Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars." Sure doesn't sound like Washington was trying to separate religion and politics.

John Jay, the first Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court, and one of the three men most responsible for the writing of the Constitution declared:

"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is their duty-as well as privilege and interest- of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers." Still sounds like the Founding Fathers knew this was a Christian nation.

This view, that we were a Christian nation, was hold for almost 150 years until the Everson v. Board of Education ruling in 1947. Before that momentous ruling, even the Supreme Court knew that we were a Christian nation. In 1892 the Court stated:

"No purpose of action against religion can be imputed to any legislation, state or national, because this is a religious people...This is a Christian nation." There it is again! From the Supreme Court of the United States. This court went on to cite 87 precedents (prior actions, words, and rulings) to conclude that this was a "Christian nation".

In 1854, the House Judiciary Committee said: "in this age, there is no substitute for Christianity...That was the religion of the founders of the republic, and they expected it to remain the religion of their descendants.'

It should be noted here that even as late as 1958 a dissenting judge warned in Baer v. Kolmorgen that if the court did not stop talking about the "separation of Church and State", people were going to start thinking it was part of the Constitution.

It has been demonstrated in their own words: Ben Franklin, George Washington and John Adams, to the House of Representatives and the Supreme Court, how our founding fathers felt about the mix of politics and religion.

When we read articles such as "What's God got to do with it?" (Primack, 5/4) and "The wall between state and church must not be breached" (Tager, 5/7) it just reaffirms how little, even intelligent people, understand about the founding of our great Republic. To say that this nation was not founded as a Christian nation or that the Constitution was not founded on Christian principles is totally at odds with the facts of history.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Recently, many authors have debated whether or not the United States of America was founded as a Christian nation. I wish to provide a few historical quotes from our Founding Era that lend credence to the supposition that we indeed were founded as a Christian nation.

Granted, God is not mentioned in the Constitution, but He is mentioned in every major document leading up to the final wording of the Constitution. For example, Connecticut is still known as the "Constitution State" because its colonial constitution was used as a model for the United States Constitution. Its first words were: "For as much as it has pleased the almighty God by the wise disposition of His Divine Providence…"

Most of the fifty-five Founding Fathers who worked on the Constitution were members of orthodox Christian churches and many were even evangelical Christians. The first official act in the First Continental Congress was to open in Christian prayer, which ended in these words: "...the merits of Jesus Christ, Thy Son, our Savior. Amen". Sounds Christian to me.

Ben Franklin, at the Constitutional Convention, said: "...God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid?"

John Adams stated so eloquently during this period of time that; "The general principles on which the fathers achieved Independence were ... the general principles of Christianity ... I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that the general principles of Christianity are as etemal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God."

Later, John Quincy Adams answered the question as to why, next to Christmas, was the Fourth of July this most joyous and venerated day in the United States. He answered: "...Is it not that the Declaration of Independence first organized the social compact on the foundation of the Redeemer’s mission upon earth? That it laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity?" Sounds like the founding of a Christian nation to me. John Quincy Adams went on to say that the biggest victory won in the American Revolution was that Christian principles and civil government would be tied together In what he called an "indissoluble" bond. The Founding Fathers understood that religion was inextricably part of our nation and government. The practice of the Christian religion in our government was not only welcomed but encouraged.

The intent of the First Amendment was well understood during the founding of our country. The First Amendment was not to keep religion out of government. It was to keep Government from establishing a 'National Denomination" (like the Church of England). As early as 1799 a court declared: "By our form of government the Christian religion is the established religion; and all sects and denominations of Christians are placed on the same equal footing." Even in the letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote to the Baptists of Danbury Connecticut (from which we derive the term "separation of Church and State") he made it quite clear that the wall of separation was to insure that Government would never interfere with religious activities because religious freedom came from God, not from Government.

Even George Washington who certainly knew the intent of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, since he presided over their formation, said in his "Farewell Address": "Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars." Sure doesn't sound like Washington was trying to separate religion and politics.

John Jay, the first Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court, and one of the three men most responsible for the writing of the Constitution declared:

"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is their duty-as well as privilege and interest- of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers." Still sounds like the Founding Fathers knew this was a Christian nation.

This view, that we were a Christian nation, was hold for almost 150 years until the Everson v. Board of Education ruling in 1947. Before that momentous ruling, even the Supreme Court knew that we were a Christian nation. In 1892 the Court stated:

"No purpose of action against religion can be imputed to any legislation, state or national, because this is a religious people...This is a Christian nation." There it is again! From the Supreme Court of the United States. This court went on to cite 87 precedents (prior actions, words, and rulings) to conclude that this was a "Christian nation".

In 1854, the House Judiciary Committee said: "in this age, there is no substitute for Christianity...That was the religion of the founders of the republic, and they expected it to remain the religion of their descendants.'

It should be noted here that even as late as 1958 a dissenting judge warned in Baer v. Kolmorgen that if the court did not stop talking about the "separation of Church and State", people were going to start thinking it was part of the Constitution.

It has been demonstrated in their own words: Ben Franklin, George Washington and John Adams, to the House of Representatives and the Supreme Court, how our founding fathers felt about the mix of politics and religion.

When we read articles such as "What's God got to do with it?" (Primack, 5/4) and "The wall between state and church must not be breached" (Tager, 5/7) it just reaffirms how little, even intelligent people, understand about the founding of our great Republic. To say that this nation was not founded as a Christian nation or that the Constitution was not founded on Christian principles is totally at odds with the facts of history.

Again the God the founding father are reffering to is NOT the God of the Judeo/Christian religion and again this has been addressed in the Treaty of Tripoly it doesn't get any clearer than that

As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion;

they felt compelled to clarify this for a reason , cased closed.

[The Ugly]

It should have never been there to begin with

No missions, no California. It was the beginning. History and culture. It's silly to interpret that as an endorsement.

Lighten up.

[NarcissisticDeity]

No missions, no California. It was the beginning. History and culture. It's silly to interpret that as an endorsement.

Lighten up.

It's an endorsement a Christian cross and California became part of the United States so it has adhere to the constitution

[The Ugly]

It's an endorsement a Christian cross and California became part of the United States so it has adhere to the constitution

We're not gonna get anywhere here. 

I'm calling for a truce.

[NarcissisticDeity]

We're not gonna get anywhere here. 

I'm calling for a truce.

in the spirit of Christmas I accept 

[The Ugly]

in the spirit of Christmas I accept 

Merry ________mas!

[James Phoenix]

ND has proven his point.

[240 is Back]

BTW, most of the "politically correct" bs you can blame on the liberals.

liberals like that Rick Warren guy? 

[GoneAway]

Religion is taken too seriously. For most people, Christmas means spending time with family, buying and reveiving presents, and eating a turkey. It has nothing to do with Jesus Christ's birth whatsoever.

There is no proof of Jesus Christ's existance, let alone the stories in the Bible. They are there to parlay the teachings of a positive way of life in an understandable and impressionable way; which is why Christianity has become so popular - the Bible worked.

For those who take Christianity and Chirstmas in the true sense of celebrating the birth of Jesus must be laughing at all the bullshit that the Western world has done to cash in on the gullability and insecurity of the human race.

[The Master]

Religion is taken too seriously. For most people, Christmas means spending time with family, buying and reveiving presents, and eating a turkey. It has nothing to do with Jesus Christ's birth whatsoever.

There is no proof of Jesus Christ's existance, let alone the stories in the Bible. They are there to parlay the teachings of a positive way of life in an understandable and impressionable way; which is why Christianity has become to popular - the Bible worked.

For those who take Christianity and Chirstmas in the true sense of celebrating Jesus' birth must be laughing at all the bullshit that the Western world has done to cash in on the gullability and insecuroty of the human race.

Say that to the muslims that run around with bombs strapped around their waists and dreams of killing millions of "infidels" with nuclear and biological terror.

[James Phoenix]

Religion should be taken seriously. It's responsible for a lot of pointless murders.
People have done sickening things in the name of GOD. Christians look for any little foothold to gain power.
If their cave-men beliefs weren't tempered by the state, they'd still be burning people at the stake.

[dustin]

I used to be Christian but still celebrate Christmas. People get too wrapped up in being PC. Who gives a fuck? Give a guy a gift and wear a fucking smile on your faces, ya Debbie Downers.

At work when customers say Merry Christmas, I'll say it back to them. Or "Happy holidays", "Enjoy the holiday season" whatever... but I don't want to open up a can of worms and wish anyone a Merry Christmas unless they say it first. I've had bitches snap shit on me and call me a mother fucker and stupid shit like that. Almost all holidays (at least the ones in North America) have been bastardized and commercialized anyway. Christmas = present season. That is all. If anyone is Christian and celebrates the birth of Christ, good for them too. I hope everyone's happy, even the PC dumbasses.

I'd shit bricks if I got chewed out at work if I emailed everyone in our distro and someone flipped out on me. I'm a visual minority and I don't even cry when people say something that's not PC. I hate people who bitch about Christmas. Last year of highschool we were discouraged from wishing people a Merry Christmas. We could only wish them a Happy Holiday or Merry Xmas - HOW FUCKING RETARDED IS THAT LOL

[G o a t b o y]

Here's what people don't get...   Christmas, in this day and age, is essentially a secular holiday.  Some religious people may assign religious meaning to it, but for the rest of us it's a few days off at the end of the year to reflect and wish our fellow citizens well.  I'm an atheist, and I put up a tree, decorate my house, exchange gifts, etc.  I don't for the life of me understand why it's such a big fuccking deal to the PC crowd. 

[James Phoenix]

Here's what people don't get...   Christmas, in this day and age, is essentially a secular holiday.  Some religious people may assign religious meaning to it, but for the rest of us it's a few days off at the end of the year to reflect and wish our fellow citizens well.  I'm an atheist, and I put up a tree, decorate my house, exchange gifts, etc.  I don't for the life of me understand why it's such a big fuccking deal to the PC crowd. 

Because radical Christians see the secularisation of public schools and the work place as another talking point to win more to their side.
On face value, their arguments may sound reasonable; everyone likes Christmas. But people don't realise how sick their true agenda is.
I'll give an example: In school there was this girl in history class wearing a 666 shirt. Well she went to the restroom, and someone made the comment,
"we should take her out and burn it." The teacher, being a radical Christian, actually agreed saying, "if things were different, I probably would."
These wackos are very insidious; I think above all, keeping schools free of anything remotely religious sends a message to these people.
It's a big fuck you. They need to know that their religious fascism will NEVER gain control of this country.

And in the meantime, I'm free to enjoy Christmas trees as much as I want, as a secular holiday.
Or even in the original pagan sense. : )

[Disgusted]

Fuck em!  MERRY CHRISTMAS THIS IS FUCKING AMERICA ASSHOLES!  GET THE FUCK OUT OF THIS COUNTRY IF YOU DON"T LIKE OUR JUDEOCHRISTIAN VALUES! 

X10!!! I would have told the guy to go FUK himself. People are turning into a bunch of pussies. Merry Christmas everyone. 

[The Coach]

X10!!! I would have told the guy to go FUK himself. People are turning into a bunch of pussies. Merry Christmas everyone. 

LMAO, I'm picturing it now......"MERRY CHRISTMAS"













Now go fuc yourself....hahahahahaa!

[blinky]

I used to be Christian but still celebrate Christmas. People get too wrapped up in being PC. Who gives a fuck? Give a guy a gift and wear a fucking smile on your faces, ya Debbie Downers.

At work when customers say Merry Christmas, I'll say it back to them. Or "Happy holidays", "Enjoy the holiday season" whatever... but I don't want to open up a can of worms and wish anyone a Merry Christmas unless they say it first. I've had bitches snap shit on me and call me a mother fucker and stupid shit like that. Almost all holidays (at least the ones in North America) have been bastardized and commercialized anyway. Christmas = present season. That is all. If anyone is Christian and celebrates the birth of Christ, good for them too. I hope everyone's happy, even the PC dumbasses.

I'd shit bricks if I got chewed out at work if I emailed everyone in our distro and someone flipped out on me. I'm a visual minority and I don't even cry when people say something that's not PC. I hate people who bitch about Christmas. Last year of highschool we were discouraged from wishing people a Merry Christmas. We could only wish them a Happy Holiday or Merry Xmas - HOW FUCKING RETARDED IS THAT LOL

every Christmas my sister gets a little cake and puts candles on it and my nephews sing happy birthday to jesus. its the cutest thing ever.










as for the pc people that get mad at the whole christmas stuff................... ....you can bet they love having those days off from work

[body88]

to everyone at my work and my manager who apparently is jewish but has a latino last name was offended and said I should have been more sensitive and that this doesn't reflect well on me.  What the f*ck is wrong with people these days. Since when is Christmas a swear word?

Your "manager" is not going to go very far in her profession if she is so insensitive to the fact that you were trying to do something nice for your coworkers.  I received about 20 emails of the same type from many of my employees, and not a single person was "offended" on a very large staff.  It looks like your "manager" is looking for an excuse to throw her weight around, and if I was her boss I would have a few words with her regarding her reaction to a positive email (that ob was meant to be kind).

Did you say: Merry Christmas screw the jews?  I think not.  She needs to get her shit together, fast.  Maybe you could bring this up with her superior in a closed door meeting.  Let him know that you were trying to do something nice for your coworkers, and you feel a bit uncomfortable being told that you are insensitive for no reason.  Frankly, there are much better ways to handle what happened.  Maybe wait and see if someone was offended first?

[calfzilla]

I think we should start a new movement here at getbig.  If anyone says "Happy Holidays" or some crap like that we should immediately say fuck off back to them. 

[blinky]

I think we should start a new movement here at getbig.  If anyone says "Happy Holidays" or some crap like that we should immediately say fuck off back to them. 

IRL too   

[Jizzacked]

I thought all latinos wear a cross or have a crucifix tattoo or fashion accessory, whats your bosses problem