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Great post ! objective honest and unbiased

he must know your pics ND.


http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=230546.0

because you have quite the rep for touching up dorian pics... :-\
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he must know your pics ND.


http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=230546.0

because you have quite the rep for touching up dorian pics... :-\

You're a liar I never touched up ANY pics  ;) and that pic wasn't touched up by me just posted

and you should talk you're the idiot who was BUSTED posting enhanced pics for months and then posting links to video as proof it's not worked from the guy who worked them LMFAO talk about major backfire

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Kevin Horton exposing Hulkster and his partner for working pics lol

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he must know your pics ND.


http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=230546.0

because you have quite the rep for touching up dorian pics... :-\
Cmon man all pics get touched up.  They have to so they look good in the mags and online.  That's why the only true way to judge is by seeing it in person.  I'm not saying flat out photoshopping but sharpening, brightening etc is very common.  I've done a few photo shoots and after seeing the pics was amazed at how much better I looked due to the touching up of the pics.

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the top pic is the untouched dorian pic

the bottom pic is the touched up version LOL
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wrong.

don't you understand that dorian at his best never stood on the same stage at the same time as ronnie at his best?

duh.

 this discussion (and others) is focused on which one would win if that had happened.

since we don't have a time machine and teleport machine, visual pics/videos are all we have to go by..

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so in this context, pics are very important.

I am so glad smart people are on this board to explain basic shit like this to the nuthuggers.

they would be so lost without us..

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JohnnyTosh GetBig 12-20-07

Hulkster, I have one question for you? .... Were you there in Long Beach in 97?  Because I was.  AND I was there in 93 & 95 in Atlanta & 96 in Chicago.  It's been said a million times. Yates has a Thickness & density from every angle that had to be seen in person, and that NOBODY else had.

Unless you were there, you cannot really say accurately.  BTW, Demilia gave me tickets right behind the judges every year.




On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.




Mr Gethin GetBig Steptember 10 , 2007

Beat Ronnie fare and square on the european tour...Huh? Were you there? Did you know anyone who was there, or are you speculating via pics? I'm a contest photog and can tell you that pics dont always give a true depiction.




Flex magazine Jan 1992 on Dorian Yates

" Dorian has the type of physique that looks much better and more powerfull in person than photos. I personally saw him onstage , and Yates if definitely light years ahead of the way he looks in photos.




MuscleMag International Feb 1994 on Dorian Yates at the 1993 Mr Olympia


" He's huge , absolutely HUGE ...he's ripped completely RIPPED. And while he's not in possession of the prettiest physique body by a long shot , he's equipped with all the bodyparts you need to win .

Combine this with the fact that he's 10 TIMES more impressive when you see him onstage at the Olympia than he is in pictures or on videos and you got yourself a winner.




" Chris Cormier standing next to Dorian onstage he sensed ' radiation coming off him , like an aura. ' The power of that muscle was tangible. It exerted a force all of its own.  Cormier thought ' I might as well forget about this guy and concentrate on being second. ' There was something else , too , strange. You had to witness him in the flesh. such granite hradness had a property that could nor be held on film or caught on paper. You had to see it live.



Bob Chick GetBig Jan 15 , 2007

The judges made their decision based on what they saw live and in person. Pictures mean nothing as they can be deceiving...




Peter McGough Flex Magazine May 2002

Let it be said that the camera can lie at physique contests. Some guys look great onstage but not so great on final film (Dorian Yates, for one) and vice versa (Shawn Ray is an example).



Dorian Yates on his phsysique

Everyone who sees my physique in person always comments on how much better I look in person than in pictures. That's because my physique is thick and developed from all angles. From the front, from the back, from the side, standing on my head: it doesn't matter. Everywhere is fully developed from every angle. And this might not show in one-dimensional photos. When you turn somebody to the side and they are twice as thick as everyone else, then that shows up.




pictures mean NOTHING compared to actually being there , now what was that about ' smart people ' ?  ;)

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the top pic is the untouched dorian pic

the bottom pic is the touched up version LOL

at least you can finally admit the Ronnie pic is worked  ;)

and moron the top pic is a shitty screencap from a compressed youtube video and the enhanced screencaps is a DVD still and I'm glad you agree pics aren't accurate compared to being there live and in person  ;D

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and I'm glad you agree pics aren't accurate compared to being there live and in person 

and here someone who has seen them BOTH ronnie and dorian live and in person:

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=252142.0

and I quote:

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Dorian is not in the league of Ronnie.
Best Ronnie was from the outer space.
No competition
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fucking owned. just as the pics show. reality shows too.
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and here someone who has seen them BOTH ronnie and dorian live and in person:

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=252142.0

and I quote:

fucking owned. just as the pics show. reality shows too.

LMFAO that's NOT reality you dummy that's personal preference


this is reality MORON

' fucking owned '

Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?

Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.


Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90.  interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.

Jim:  What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?


Ronnie:  Dorian would have won again.


Jim: You think so?


Ronnie:  I know so.  Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block.  He's a big guy and has a lot going for him.  He overcame so many adversities, like his torn biceps, I couldnt see too much else stopping him.


Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha jackass your OWN hero who has seen himself and Dorian LIVE and in PERSON crushes you

thanks for playing  ;)

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so isn't your perspective "personal preference" as well?

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so isn't your perspective "personal preference" as well?

No it's based on the judging criteria I wouldn't want to look like Yates ever or Ronnie but the bottom line is Dorian meets this criteria better than Ronnie

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but that is your opinion, not reality right? how does Doz adhere better to the judging "criteria" better than ronnie? the same judges who judged dorian, did not all judge ronnie. So saying dorian "meets the criteria more than ronnie does not make sense.

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but that is your opinion, not reality right? how does Doz adhere better to the judging "criteria" better than ronnie? the same judges who judged dorian, did not all judge ronnie. So saying dorian "meets the criteria more than ronnie does not make sense.

You're wrong the same judges have been in rotation for an eternity , Shawn Ray used to complain that the same judges who judged him in at the when he turned pro where still doing so years latter , a contest like the Olympia is judges by senior judges and not novices

and further more the criteria hasn't changed it's the same , judges pick who meets the criteria better than their contemporaries based on who is carrying more muscular bulk , who has better balance & proportion , who is harder & drier , who has better posing & presentation and what you have to understand is that ALL rounds are physique rounds which means all of that criteria is applied at one time in every single pose

So while Ronnie may meet part of this criteria better than Dorian as a whole he simply doesn't , ever wonder why and how Dorian can win the symmetry round despite not being the most ' symmetrical ' ? see above and you'll get your answer


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but that is your opinion, not reality right? how does Doz adhere better to the judging "criteria" better than ronnie? the same judges who judged dorian, did not all judge ronnie. So saying dorian "meets the criteria more than ronnie does not make sense
LOL no shit.

when eye witnesses who have seen both ronnie and dorian compete say dorian is better, ND says its 'reality'

when eye witnesses who have seen both ronnie and dorian compete say ronnie is better, its not reality and only 'personal preference'..

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this is how fucked up this moron is.. :-\

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, judges pick who meets the criteria better than their contemporaries based on who is carrying more muscular bulk , who has better balance & proportion , who is harder & drier , who has better posing & presentation and what you have to understand is that ALL rounds are physique rounds which means all of that criteria is applied at one time in every single pose

yes, and when that is done, ronnie is way better:

hope this helps..
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LOL no shit.

when eye witnesses who have seen both ronnie and dorian compete say dorian is better, ND says its 'reality'

when eye witnesses who have seen both ronnie and dorian compete say ronnie is better, its not reality and only 'personal preference'..

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this is how fucked up this moron is.. :-\



What makes his opinion trump Ronnies? lol again most people are like you THINK they have a clue on how it goes , you're an idiot who thinks Ronnie has more detailed calves and 1993 Dorian lost to Flex Wheeler again what do you know about competitive bodybuilding when you come to these conclusion? NOT A DAMN THING  ;)

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how does Doz adhere better to the judging "criteria" better than ronnie?

tell us ND: lol
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tell us ND: lol

I'll tell you , he's bigger , harder , drier , has better balance and he's a better poser  ;)

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I'll tell you , he's bigger , harder , drier , has better balance and he's a better poser  ;)

thanks for showing how shitty ronnie was in 95 compared to his Mr. O wins...

thats the only reason why dorian and everyone else beat him back then...
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Re: Proof that 247 pounds doesn't stack up against 257 bone dry conditioned poun
« Reply #270 on: December 29, 2008, 07:25:22 PM »
lmfao Ronnie is narrow and small, calves as big as they ever got hahah

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thanks for showing how shitty ronnie was in 95 compared to his Mr. O wins...

thats the only reason why dorian and everyone else beat him back then...

Thanks for posting a slanted comparison  ;) it give me a chance to show you how stupid you look

and how did Ronnie improve? more size and better conditioning , Sorry sport Dorian had even more size with UNEQUALED conditioning ...he would go down in flames like the 8 times before lmfao just ask someone who was there both live and in person  ;)

Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?

Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.


Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90.  interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.

Jim:  What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?


Ronnie:  Dorian would have won again.


Jim: You think so?


Ronnie:  I know so.  Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block.  He's a big guy and has a lot going for him.  He overcame so many adversities, like his torn biceps, I couldnt see too much else stopping him.

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Re: Proof that 247 pounds doesn't stack up against 257 bone dry conditioned poun
« Reply #272 on: December 29, 2008, 07:28:29 PM »
lmfao Ronnie is narrow and small, calves as big as they ever got hahah



22" arms and 13" calves LMFAO

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better than 13 inch arms and 22 inch calves?: :P
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better than 13 inch arms and 22 inch calves?: :P


Those arms handed Ronnie and his 22" arms their ass year in and year out  ;)

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