Israel did it again

[Fury]

I disagree.

It has to be possible to discuss the problems of the laws of Israel without mentioning how bad other countries are.

Just as we should be able to discuss how Muslim laws are antidemocratic, without having to mention how Christianity was both antidemocratic and antifeminist five hundred years ago.

I guess one problem is that many that are critical of Israel, also subscribe to some "Jewish" conspiracy theory or believe that "Jews" are born evil.

Ie, they are racists themselves.

These people are like a plague to any discussion on Israel/Palestine.

You're right, actually. I get pissed when the apologists when they compare the actions of Islam to Christianity 700 years ago to prove their point and I just did the same thing.

I just choose to ignore the people with the conspiracy theory bullshit. The majority of them have zero evidence to support their claim, generally show themselves to be severely lacking in intelligence and the ability to refute any point, and conduct themselves like children.


And for what it's worth, I don't agree with Israel's laws or Sharia law either. They're both ridiculous in this day and age.

[IFBBwannaB]

Are you kidding me Hedge? So Israel is supposed to wait until he is at a "legitimate" place? Not sleeping? lol

He is a wanted man....if he wanted to protect his family he should go underground like the rest of Hamas.

You have NO point here, seriously.


Now regarding the laws, you seem to deny reality, human morals<<<< reality/security on such a scale.
When you have a millions Israeli Arabs wanting to marry Palestinians just to get them citizenship that hurts the security of Israel, especially if that citizenship is given to a terrorist.

[Hedgehog]

Israel called the people in the area of that guy on the phone a week in advance saying that he was a possible target. He knew it too. How many people bring their children to war with them? The insurgents in Afghanistan usually leave their families behind to fight their war.

Didn't know this.
I haven't seen this info.

And I have no reason to question you.


Honestly, I can't say if I think Israel was right or wrong.

They must've seen some kind of heat profiles before firing the rockets.

Some of those profiles must've been awfully short.

How do you play it then?

I just don't know.

[Fury]

What I find amusing is how people are justifying Hamas' blatant disregard for the Palestinian civilians. Notice how the Hamas leadership has disappeared into bunkers, while they leave the civilians out their to die. If they cared about them, they'd stop the rocket attacks long enough for Israel to leave and for humanitarian aid to get in there. They're just proving that their aims matter to them more than the Palestinian people, yet we're supposed to feel bad for their situation.

[Hedgehog]

Are you kidding me Hedge? So Israel is supposed to wait until he is at a "legitimate" place? Not sleeping? lol

He is a wanted man....if he wanted to protect his family he should go underground like the rest of Hamas.

You have NO point here, seriously.

I'll admit that I don't know all the details.

Also, I don't know enough about the tactics of Hamas. From what I've heard they actually hide weapons and soldiers in mosques, schools, anything that is considered "off-limits".

Still, bombing a home when you know there are still kids around. I just don't see how you can pay that price.

You got to find other ways to get him.

Now regarding the laws, you seem to deny reality, human morals<<<< reality/security on such a scale.
When you have a millions Israeli Arabs wanting to marry Palestinians just to get them citizenship that hurts the security of Israel, especially if that citizenship is given to a terrorist.

If you look at Zimbabwe, the country did much better back when they had racially segregated laws there.
That was until the 70's.

Even South Africa did well during apartheid, and have problems now when racist laws are gone.

Still, no sane person would suggest that "reality/security" should rule over human morals in these cases.

A more extreme comparison - during the Nazi Germany, stripping the Jews of their rights and confiscating their possessions was probably quite profitable for the German State. Not to mention how the Nazi's painted the Jews as a scapegoat for everything wrong in Germany at the time.

Were the Nazi's justified? According to your philosophy - yes.

That was "reality" ruling over human morals.

[Hedgehog]

What I find amusing is how people are justifying Hamas' blatant disregard for the Palestinian civilians. Notice how the Hamas leadership has disappeared into bunkers, while they leave the civilians out their to die. If they cared about them, they'd stop the rocket attacks long enough for Israel to leave and for humanitarian aid to get in there. They're just proving that their aims matter to them more than the Palestinian people, yet we're supposed to feel bad for their situation.

It's interesting to see how the Egyptians are pissed as hell with Hamas.

They reason just like you - Palestinians getting the shaft by Hamas who sits in their bunkers.

The whole Arab Union is a mess over the Israel/Palestine situation right now. Many of the members are mortal enemies of Hamas.

[IFBBwannaB]

Dear Hedge, you are comparing apples to oranges.

Since when a country have to accept anyone? Do you know there are favorable laws in ANY country towards many types of people? From handicaps to professional experts (especially citizenship laws, many countries encourge experts to come), Small business to large business and so on.... what about the American Indians? Take away their reservations since it's not fair to other people who don't get one?

Reality man...gotta stay in the realm of reality.

[Fury]

It's interesting to see how the Egyptians are pissed as hell with Hamas.

They reason just like you - Palestinians getting the shaft by Hamas who sits in their bunkers.

The whole Arab Union is a mess over the Israel/Palestine situation right now. Many of the members are mortal enemies of Hamas.

I think the best solution is for Egypt to absorb Gaza and Jordan the West Bank. But as long as Hamas exists, the chance of Egypt doing that is zero. Hamas needs to go away for any sort of progress to be made.

[IFBBwannaB]

I think the best solution is for Egypt to absorb Gaza and Jordan the West Bank. But as long as Hamas exists, the chance of Egypt doing that is zero. Hamas needs to go away for any sort of progress to be made.

Are you kidding me? They will never do it, they didn't want them as a part of the peace treaty with Israel,they will never take them now.

[Fury]

Are you kidding me? They will never do it, they didn't want them as a part of the peace treaty with Israel,they will never take them now.

I know. Which just shows how dumb this situation is because the Muslims can't even get along with each other, so expecting them to get along with Israel is just ridiculous.

[Hedgehog]

Dear Hedge, you are comparing apples to oranges.

Since when a country have to accept anyone? Do you know there are favorable laws in ANY country towards many types of people? From handicaps to professional experts (especially citizenship laws, many countries encourge experts to come), Small business to large business and so on.... what about the American Indians? Take away their reservations since it's not fair to other people who don't get one?

Reality man...gotta stay in the realm of reality.

The American Indians are an excellent example.

Get rid of their reservations. I'm all for it.

They also have some kind of casino rights. That ain't right.

The whole American Indian land owning issue needs to be solved as well.

Perhaps each and every ancestor of the American Indians should be paid off a couple of millions or a few hundred thousands or so.

Because obviously, the land can't be given back. Other people are living there right now.

 I don't know where the amount would land.

But that would settle the whole American Indian issue.

Instead of the current absurd "reservations" deal.

Let the American Indians live in USA like anyone else. After paying them off.

[IFBBwannaB]

The American Indians are an excellent example.

Get rid of their reservations. I'm all for it.

They also have some kind of casino rights. That ain't right.

The whole American Indian land owning issue needs to be solved as well.

Perhaps each and every ancestor of the American Indians should be paid off a couple of millions or a few hundred thousands or so.

Because obviously, the land can't be given back. Other people are living there right now.

 I don't know where the amount would land.

But that would settle the whole American Indian issue.

Instead of the current absurd "reservations" deal.

Let the American Indians live in USA like anyone else. After paying them off.

You solution will still be racist based on your own definition since they will get money just for being a part of a certain group.

[Hedgehog]

You solution will still be racist based on your own definition since they will get money just for being a part of a certain group.

Touché, mon frére.

[IFBBwannaB]

Touché, mon frére.

LOL, you see what I'm getting at?

Saying that you want no racism at all is nice, but in reality racism is used everyday and many times is considered something noble....like helping elderly...or handicaps and so on.

Helping a population defend themself from selfproclaim enemies, even by so called racist manners is legitimate.

[tu_holmes]

LOL, you see what I'm getting at?

Saying that you want no racism at all is nice, but in reality racism is used everyday and many times is considered something noble....like helping elderly...or handicaps and so on.

Helping a population defend themself from selfproclaim enemies, even by so called racist manners is legitimate.

Helping the Elderly is Agism, not racism... aiding the handicapped or "disabled" is something else entirely... it's certainly not "racist" however.

I agree that they are "prejudices" but it is not "racism".

[shootfighter1]

Hamas is first and foremost Palestine's problem.  If we had a terror network in the US that is sending rockets into Canada, the US gov is responsible for finding and dealing with the criminals.  The fact that Palestine allows Hamas to operate and commit terrorism within its borders means they are unable or unwilling to do something about them.

[IFBBwannaB]

Helping the Elderly is Agism, not racism... aiding the handicapped or "disabled" is something else entirely... it's certainly not "racist" however.

I agree that they are "prejudices" but it is not "racism".

You got the point 

[Hedgehog]

Hamas is first and foremost Palestine's problem.  If we had a terror network in the US that is sending rockets into Canada, the US gov is responsible for finding and dealing with the criminals.  The fact that Palestine allows Hamas to operate and commit terrorism within its borders means they are unable or unwilling to do something about them.

A big problem is that USA allows the Saudi princes to send their homeboys in Hamas enough money to both fight Israel and to offer monetary handouts to ordinary Palestinians.

With the current economic situation in Gaza, the Palestinians depends a lot on Hamas for surviving.

A solution would be if Israel could find some way to make the Hamas handouts obsolete.

Also, USA has to talk serious business with its "ally" Saudi Arabia.

There can't be no more military export to Saudi Arabia until their link to Hamas is broken.